Er... what? The last time we had the option we chose the largest possible amount.
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Er... what? The last time we had the option we chose the largest possible amount.
Except your interpretation of the answer outright contradicts the original statement: Center of Trade cannot double a zero.
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*Scratches chin* Dang that's actually a good thought I'd missed out on. Nice catch.
Also the image of fucking with the Xoh through multiple dominance's amuses me.
[X] [Prog] Art Patronage (-1 Econ, -2 Wealth, +4 Art, +1 Prestige)
[X] [Refugee] Those who arrive on their own (Chance of stability loss, +2 Econ)
[X] [Value] Hathatyn
Right but that was annexing villages not taking in refugees which is a difference and almost all our CA choices before that where taking the lowest possible ammount...
Maybe I'm worried for nothing it just feels to me that it's been a while since we've actually taken a great number of refugees...
You aren't worried that they will launch a war against us? Well, I guess if they're still fighting the TS and HK....
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You are. Also remember we annexed those villages because of refugees. We basically went okay you want to come, then you can bring your friends too! Happy times for everyone!
What is important here is CA triggers, not the nature of the trigger. We had a large trigger and took it so it isn't going away any time soon. It's also so ingrained now I doubt we can get rid of it without fracturing first.
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The doubling is from the recent innovations, and the thing being doubled is Centre of Trade's market dominance benefits.
It was explicitly taking refugees and annexing villages.
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We can't afford that stability hit. Two plus a chance of more? That could sink us!
Not too worried I mean yeah sure if they want to fight a three way WHILE attacking the Ymaryn in a defensive war in hills at the edge of their logistics...sure they could try.
Okay, actually break it down:
-Recent innovations means that Centre of Trade is no longer necessary to have access to the market, but it does double the benefits of market dominance.
--Center of Trade unlocks the Market early. Normally Market only unlocks when Currency shows up.
--Center of Trade doubles effects of the Market. As the only double-able Market effect is the Wealth/Diplomacy production, Center of Trade doubles Market's stat point generation
Therefore, the Market NORMALLY produces 1 stat point per two Dominances.
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Ain't the English language a bitch? I hope we get that clarification soon.
[X] [Prog] Art Patronage (-1 Econ, -2 Wealth, +4 Art, +1 Prestige)
[X] [Refugee] Those who arrive on their own (Chance of stability loss, +2 Econ)
[X] [Value] No
Art Patronage as fluff wise, this should be good for the hero in making as she'll develop connections with both the merchants and miners and craftsmen, which with her connections to the warriors should mean she has an easier time ascending to power. The +1 prestige we get as a civilization should also reflect somewhat onto her.
For the refugee's, take the lowest valued option. Our stability gain options have plummeted and Academia Nut has revealed more about what happens when stability drops, which creates long term corruption issues that fester, which is made worse given our current high martial score.
Keep the value as we have a good chance to generate loads of stats from centre of trade, that will then overflow onto the others. I'm still in favor of dropping a trading post down on the Trelli as that boosts the trade power of all the things they're involved in, and for the Trelli that's nine in all.
[X] [Refugee] Those who arrive on their own (Chance of stability loss, +2 Econ)
[X] [Value] No
Art Patronage as fluff wise, this should be good for the hero in making as she'll develop connections with both the merchants and miners and craftsmen, which with her connections to the warriors should mean she has an easier time ascending to power. The +1 prestige we get as a civilization should also reflect somewhat onto her.
For the refugee's, take the lowest valued option. Our stability gain options have plummeted and Academia Nut has revealed more about what happens when stability drops, which creates long term corruption issues that fester, which is made worse given our current high martial score.
Keep the value as we have a good chance to generate loads of stats from centre of trade, that will then overflow onto the others. I'm still in favor of dropping a trading post down on the Trelli as that boosts the trade power of all the things they're involved in, and for the Trelli that's nine in all.
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Perversely we're less likely to achieve Trade Dominance while we have Center of Trade, as it becomes increasingly painful Stability wise to maintain dominance the more goods you pick up, whereas without Center of Trade, SV being SV we'd grab ALL the shiny.
And probably slurp noisily while we drink up the poor CoT rivals eating stability hits from our actions.
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Ya know...
Just had a thought but I think if we nab an evolved Pioneering Spirit, our Econ Vampirism is going to get a massive upgrade, because we can just spam Enforce Justice and Festival like no tomorrow. This is especially interesting because we are using a trait in CA which evolved doing a corrupted inversion of PS.
Heheheh. Our recovery periods will be drastically shortened.
How do you think a PS evolution could have turned out mechanics wise?
Assuming of course we actually get any stats without CoT.
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Well it doesn't make much sense to lose the salt bonus, because salt in this era is literally wealth.
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No, I get what you think it means, I just think you're wrong. If I thought you were right I'd change my vote.
@Academia Nut could you please explicitly state the effects of losing Centre of Trade - the English language being what it is, your previous clarification didn't quite clear things up.
True, I meant any stats from dominance.
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I don't think he has any intention to clear it up.
Couple of angles:
-Mitigate the cost - Make it a chance of losing Centralization(like how CA turned out)
-Make the gains more powerful - Make it pay out more Econ, or outright take actions like founding new settlements
-Make it more controllable.
But straight logic makes your interpretation completely incomprehensible. It means that AN was outright wrong in one or both statements, rendering them useless.
Theres only one way that Center of Trade can double Market benefits - namely being that the Market inherently generates Wealth from dominance. If it was informational, it couldn't be doubled!
There's no confusion here.