I suppose the Xoh for repeatedly bouncing back. They have become a major showcase civilization for me.
They've certainly shown resilience. It's just a bit unfortunate about the whole "sacrificing children behind their wall of human skulls" thing.

Dominating such a large chunk of the lowlands gives them massive potential, and they seem pretty stable now.

Perhaps we should think about building a long-term alliance with them. It's not feasible to subordinate them, and they would have a pretty hard time beating us, but they've mellowed a lot since their early days, and they've shown a willingness to trade technologies. If there were some way to reconcile our views on respecting human life, then we could probably be good friends. Between our technological advancement and their superb territory, the alliance would have a real shot at taking over the world.
 
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They've certainly shown resilience. It's just a bit unfortunate about the whole "sacrificing children behind their wall of human skulls" thing.

Dominating such a large chunk of the lowlands gives them massive potential, and they seem pretty stable now.

Perhaps we should think about building a long-term alliance with them. It's not feasible to subordinate them, and they would have a pretty hard time beating us, but they've mellowed a lot since their early days, and they've shown a willingness to trade technologies. If there were some way to reconcile our views on respecting human life, then we could probably be good friends. Between our technological advancement and their superb territory, the alliance would have a real shot at taking over the world.
They would need to actually respect us. Since we haven't fought the lowlands in a millenium they mostly think we are weak.
 
Xoh have definitely done their own Mountain and Grand Temple centuries ago.
I knew there were more megaprojects out there in our neighbors...did they have either of those when we first scouted their city and discovered their Wall of Bones? I'd suspected their holy site sounded like it could be either a really well upgraded one, or actually a megaproject?
Making Lolwyna a King might induce a stability loss.
I'm expecting three choices for her:
Make her heir (-legit and/or stab for appointing the kings lover heir)
Make her head priest/similar position (-religious authority for the king appointing influential priest roles)
Sideline her (lose out on hero in major role)
 
Needless to say, the three things we need to do in the future are: get a Golden Age, build all our possible mega projects, and outcompete both the Trelli and the Xohyssiri in the relevant trade goods that allow for their hegemony.
 
I knew there were more megaprojects out there in our neighbors...did they have either of those when we first scouted their city and discovered their Wall of Bones? I'd suspected their holy site sounded like it could be either a really well upgraded one, or actually a megaproject?

I'm expecting three choices for her:
Make her heir (-legit and/or stab for appointing the kings lover heir)
Make her head priest/similar position (-religious authority for the king appointing influential priest roles)
Sideline her (lose out on hero in major role)
They had the mound a long time ago, and the temple was 100% built when we visited them after the diarrhea outbreak.
 
Is there any civilisation in real life human history that's as Obviously Evil as the Xohyssiri? Between the child sacrifices, the cannibalism, and the literal wall of skulls, I don't think anyone could so easily and cleanly labelled as 'the bad guys' except maybe the Nazis.
 
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Is there any civilisation in real life human history that's as Obviously Evil as the Xohyssiri? Between the child sacrifices, the cannibalism, and the literal wall of skulls, I don't think anyone could so easily and cleanly labelled as 'the bad guys' except maybe the Nazis.
Lol....

Like, the aztecs flayed people alive and had others wear their skins, and would rip out the hearts of defeated warriors continuously from sunrise to sunset once or twice a year. The romans practiced crucifixion, had unarmed groups of dissidents or war spoils fight to the death or be eaten by lions in front of giant crowds, and fought then enslaved everyone nearby. Pretty much everyone has sacrificed children at some point let's be real. It's basically the equivalent of leaving your baby out in the woods or on the snow.

Idk if the DP actually practiced cannibalism. Sauce?

No one really beats the wall of skulls though. Like technically China's Great Wall has the bodies of laborers under it and there used to be sacrifices to sanctify buildings in a couple European cultures IIRC but
 
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Is there any civilisation in real life human history that's as Obviously Evil as the Xohyssiri? Between the child sacrifices, the cannibalism, and the literal wall of skulls, I don't think anyone could so easily and cleanly labelled as 'the bad guys' except maybe the Nazis.
How about the Aztec? I mean there were other south american civs that sacrificed children, but they were pretty evil.
 
I could accept that, but the Stallion from ages past was a brilliant man who took advantage of discontent in a period of upheaval, against an enemy whose traditions and values strongly supported the kind of might makes right mentality that allowed it to happen in the first place, as well as depopulating the area he eventually was given through the process of getting that fealty. You can't compare the Nomads and a specifically crit-success war mission to the hath attacking a relatively young Hatriver and somehow turning it into a reverse blitz land claim. It's just not in the same ballpark.

I won't deny that we'll definitely get warm bodies from their fuckup, but that's all we'll get; people, not plots.
Really. That was a crit? Hmm! Well I rescind my point for the time being, and am now on the wait and see what happens next turn.


Don't be silly, there's no way murdering his favourite faction will make Senpai like us.

Instead we should eat their population for the greater good. Then the Xohissiri will become part of us and Academia Nut will love us forever~<3
OM NOM NOM NOM NOM WE WILL EAT YOOOOOUUUU SO SENPAI WILL LOOOOOOOVE US! *insert Mirai Nikki Yuno.jpeg*
 
I'm expecting three choices for her:
Make her heir (-legit and/or stab for appointing the kings lover heir)
Make her head priest/similar position (-religious authority for the king appointing influential priest roles)
Sideline her (lose out on hero in major role)

I think we could stand a legitimacy loss if she really genuinely is the best person for the job and future record-keeping will attest to that. It'd be a pain to bring back up, but Proclaim Glory is honestly pretty cheap for what it is, and as a main it also raises stability...
 
Well, I don't know too much about Crimea, but I find it unlikely that it would build up that fast. Still, let's see.

*Takes a look at Crimea and instantly notices the mountain range.*

Haha, nope. Well let's see what some geologic history can be found on google.

A disturbing lack (in my five-ish minutes of searching), but there was some archaeology that shows human occupation the mountains around 32,000 years ago, so I'm going to have to go with saying that site is as suspicious in its conclusions as you were afraid.
Um, still not sure if the article was legit or not because I haven't had time to actually find it again, but you've definitely misunderstood what it was saying. Sorry for not explaining it well.

See the lighter blue parts of this image? That's shallower water. The site said those were land back then. Which has no impact on the existence of the Crimea at all, it just makes it landlocked.

Also when I checked Wikipedia for this image I noticed this, which was probably what I was remembering. Archeologists apparently agree that something like it happened, they just disagree on how sudden it was, when it was and such.
 
Is there any civilisation in real life human history that's as Obviously Evil as the Xohyssiri? Between the child sacrifices, the cannibalism, and the literal wall of skulls, I don't think anyone could so easily and cleanly labelled as 'the bad guys' except maybe the Nazis.
...Um, the Roman taste for crucification and blood sports didn't impress you? There's a frankly disturbing human tendency for later cultures to romanticize some of the worst and most obviously evil polities throughout history- part of this seems to be that military success breeds success breeds decadence and horrific practices. If you're cynical and you've lived a while, you can compare how people talked about them and pretty much see it happening with the Nazis.

Celts, Chinese, India, Japanese, Romans, Vikings, Mongols, it really doesn't take much to dig up frankly staggering dirt on most of the militarily successful cultures throughout history.

The Xoh are pretty gruesome but they're hardly in a class of their own- especially given AN has told us they are engaging in more measured atrocities. The wall of skulls is impressive for purely structural reasons, but human sacrifice and even child sacrifice is sadly not that uncommon.
 
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Um, still not sure if the article was legit or not because I haven't had time to actually find it again, but you've definitely misunderstood what it was saying. Sorry for not explaining it well.
Oooh. You meant a rise in sea level or otherwise flooding of the area. Well, the article you've linked there says that they believe what happened was due to the Mediterranean breaking into the Black Sea to cause the catastrophic flooding (Edit: Okay, they argue about that, but the flooding would be caused by a breach of the Mediterranean). This pretty much rules that out for us as it's already happened.

So no, if Crimea was there, we'd know about it. I will say that the deep water version of the map does look a lot more like our version though.
 
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Idk if the DP actually practiced cannibalism. Sauce?
Look back during the time when we were at war with them. Not sure which of the updates said they practice cannibalism, but they totally actually did. They probably still have the value that lets them eat humans, it's just that recent times have meant that it's more efficient to keep their people alive than to eat them.
 
I would suggest some of the practices we now view as savagery and barbarism are what permitted the settled civilization to survive.

It's peace in our time when we don't have to worry about other people killing us and taking our stuff.
 
Xoh have definitely done their own Mountain and Grand Temple centuries ago.
Did the Spirit Talkers have a Grand Temple in their time as well or was it just a ridiculously large Holy Site?
None really. I suppose the Xoh for repeatedly bouncing back. They have become a major showcase civilization for me.
Like roaches.
I don't recall Egypt being known for their lush forests. As for boats, they initially built them out of reed. They're also not exactly known for their seafaring capability.
Egypt is one of the lushest places around along the Nile river, with the associated forestry.
Thanks to pop culture everyone thinks desert.

That said, Egyptian early boats were pretty reed heavy.
 
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