keenscythe
No longer NEET
- Location
- WA, USA
[X] Formalize breaking and exposure
[X] Any who are interested may join the fight
[X] [Secondary] Expand Fishing
[X] Any who are interested may join the fight
[X] [Secondary] Expand Fishing
Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
- Start date
- Original
We don't have a choice, our people are automatically going to war this turn. We can't wait or build up for an assault because we and the nomads are going to be raiding each other for a generation.
Honestly I support Farms because we are able to outlast them. All the economy lost from the mega project is going to quickly rebound once it is over as the resources going into doing it go back to helping the people grow.
By that point we could go full on warrrior and destroy them. As it is I don't want to risk stability.
Remember that stats don't reflect everything. The fluff matter too and I dread the possibility of instability actually stopping the completion of the Forest Project.
By that point we could go full on warrrior and destroy them. As it is I don't want to risk stability.
Remember that stats don't reflect everything. The fluff matter too and I dread the possibility of instability actually stopping the completion of the Forest Project.
Powerofmind
In Madness Fallen
- Location
- United States
No, what he said is we can get sub-turns, with no projects to support them with. Whatever we pick here will stick with us for every subturn of the war.
- Location
- Anchorage, Alaska
Our military advisor immediatly followed up with "but it's probably a good idea to punch them better now rather than later, even if we do bruise our knuckles".
Ok, that was paraphrased, here's the actual quote:
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Ghostdevil
The Devil of Ghosts
- Location
- United States
Yes, Please read what he has said -.-, Not to you To me
Nobody else is voting Expand Fishing, so you're essentially throwing away your vote.
However, there are a bunch of people voting to Expand Step-Farms.
- Location
- Australia
@Ephemeral_Dreamer, @Ghostdevil, @Duesal, @Varano, @Ct613hulu, you need to put the [Secondary] tag in your vote.
- Location
- Anchorage, Alaska
Edit: I was going to say something witty in response. I forgot.
Ok, I've gotta ask: without the [Main] to distinguish from, does it actually matter? All votes of that type are automatically going into the Secondary slot, and even though it will be a BIG DEAL once we have our Main back, but without it, does it actually screw with anything?
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Keeping in mind the objectives here:
Nomads:
-Gain glory in martial success.
-Gain loot and slaves from raiding.
-Meet the demands of honor in fighting a feud.
Hill Folk:
-Gain vengeance for the betrayal.
-Take the blood price for the slain.
-Reclaim the value of stolen goods.
The Nomads win as long as they can raid unopposed and win or avoid defensive battles, the stolen wealth boosts their economy and the glory of victory boosts centralization(up to a point depending on how large an area they recruit from) as success breeds success.
The Nomads lose if they cannot demonstrate martial superiority over their enemies, as it shows weakness, which costs them Instability as lesser chiefs sense weakness from failure and break away.
The Hill Folk win as long as they can take their pound of flesh from the Nomads. Kill one nomad for every person they killed. Seize loot equal to what was stolen. And a bonus to make up for the initial offense.
The Hill Folk lose if they cannot inflict enough harm on the Nomads, and if they attack but get defeated.
A note on Centralization and Instability.
Centralization increases tolerance of Instability, as your central hierarchy can override minor dissatisfaction, but it ensures that when Instability finally exceeds Centralization, you get a spectacular bloody breakaway from very unhappy people.
That's wrong. They are already at a negative at Eye for an Eye. Not winning already triggers it, because we failed to seek justice for the slain.
Effort doesn't matter so much as fulfilment.
IN such a pleasant case, we'd be losing one Centralization for building war carts, which drops us to...where we started when we initiated the Blight project.
Also false. Raiding is kind of the entire economic model of the Nomads and the Dead Priests. The primary use of raiding in this era is using Martial score to boost economy.
The results for us on a raid then is:
-Critical success: Enemy leaders responsible killed. Loot gained significantly in excess of War party costs. Eye for an Eye fully satisfied and war can end if they stop fighting.
-Success: Enemy camps raided. Loot gained in minor excess of war party costs. Eye for an Eye satisfied, may require further conflict.
-Failure: Defeat of raid group. War party cost expended to no gain. Eye for an Eye not satisfied.
-Critical Failure: Total loss of raid group. War party cost expended to no gain. Martial rating lost from dead warriors. Eye for an Eye violated even further.
The results for the nomads on a raid is likely:
-Critical success: Enemy villages ruined. Great amounts of loot gained and slaves taken. Great amounts of glory gained, attracting more minor nomad tribes.
-Success: Enemy villages raided. Loot gained significantly in excess of war party costs. Glory gained, attracting more minor nomad tribes.
-Failure: Raid rebuffed. No loot gained, cost incurred for raid. Minor glory gained from conflict.
-Critical failure: Raid group destroyed. Cost incurred for raid. Glory lost. Conflict becomes a point of honor to make up.
Edit: new info says we don't need to win decisively, but do need to avoid another loss on the war party
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- Location
- Australia
Apparently it does.
Specifically, the person doing the tallying needs to merge the ones with [Secondary] and the ones without since they're under two different sections (the [Secondary] task and the taskless).
Also, for those interested, Here's the tally.
Vote Tally : Paths of Civilization | Page 193 | Sufficient Velocity
##### NetTally 1.7.10.1
[X] Any who are interested may join the fight
No. of Votes: 40
[X] Formalize breaking and exposure
No. of Votes: 22
[x] Skull-smashing and anonymous burial
No. of Votes: 15
[X] Burning at the stake
No. of Votes: 5
[x] Call upon friendships
No. of Votes: 2
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Task: Secondary
[X][Secondary] Step-Farms
No. of Votes: 23
[X][Secondary] Build War Carts
No. of Votes: 17
[X] [Secondary] Expand Fishing
No. of Votes: 3
[x][Secondary] Expand Pastures
No. of Votes: 1
Total No. of Voters: 45
##### NetTally 1.7.10.1
[X] Any who are interested may join the fight
No. of Votes: 40
[X] Formalize breaking and exposure
No. of Votes: 22
[x] Skull-smashing and anonymous burial
No. of Votes: 15
[X] Burning at the stake
No. of Votes: 5
[x] Call upon friendships
No. of Votes: 2
——————————————————————————————————————————————
Task: Secondary
[X][Secondary] Step-Farms
No. of Votes: 23
[X][Secondary] Build War Carts
No. of Votes: 17
[X] [Secondary] Expand Fishing
No. of Votes: 3
[x][Secondary] Expand Pastures
No. of Votes: 1
Total No. of Voters: 45
- Location
- Anchorage, Alaska
Did you run the tally program, or have a quote from someone who does? I'd like to know how big a deal this is in absolute terms, rather than best guess. No offence meant, I'm usually good with best guess information, but this is actually applicable knowledge, so... Ah, question answered.
So, if their are a bunch of options (or if Acadamia Nut isn't feeling up to merging votes) than it is a big deal. Otherwise, when the options are fairly self evident (there's no extra category to get them mixed up in) it's not a big deal.
Sure, it's inconvenient, but it also shouldn't be a big hassle. Depends on how AN handles it, I suppose.
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- Location
- Third planet from the star named Sol
- Pronouns
- He/They
Click on the little number in the bottom right corner of the post you want, the upper link will be the one you want. This one will have a #5163
And here is a link to it. https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/posts/8078570/
- Location
- Hell
[X] Formalize breaking and exposure
[X] Any who are interested may join the fight
[X] [Secondary] Build War Carts
Haha wow, I've been gone for 2 days and thirty pages seasoned slightly with salt pass.
Still managed to stay in second despite that *smug*
@Umi-san you on the other hand managed to jump up by seventy *pokaaan*
Why?
[X] Any who are interested may join the fight
[X] [Secondary] Build War Carts
Haha wow, I've been gone for 2 days and thirty pages seasoned slightly with salt pass.
Still managed to stay in second despite that *smug*
@Umi-san you on the other hand managed to jump up by seventy *pokaaan*
[X] Formalize breaking and exposure
[X] Any who are interested may join the fight
[X] [Secondary] Expand Fishing
Darnit Citino! Are we going to need to get a Beta in here?
Why?
- Location
- Huezil
Why?
Because it was you who led the initial campaign that made us build our step-farms the first time
- Location
- Sydney
[X] Formalize breaking and exposure
[X] Any who are interested may join the fight
[X] [Secondary] Step-Farms
[X] Any who are interested may join the fight
[X] [Secondary] Step-Farms
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- Location
- Third planet from the star named Sol
- Pronouns
- He/They
AN can call the vote whenever he wants to.
UbeOne
Daydreaming CPU
- Location
- Philippines
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Why are people always telling @Academia Nut to close the vote? Let him do so on his own.
Powerofmind
In Madness Fallen
- Location
- United States
AN needs specially included post-limit add-ons for his threads to keep people from saying stuff quite so frequently.
