Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
- Start date
- Original
- Location
- Hell
*smacks*
We're two hundred years too early for that and we already have an advantage of iron. Why not do the study action that we have had even longer than that?
- Location
- United States of America, Michigan
Something to also consider if we do festivals now and the Temple finishes we will end up with three stability and enough stats to start a golden age.
[X] [Crow] Spider-Eyed
[X] [Fyth] Mother
This fits best with our people. We try to be calm, peaceful, and helpful for the most part. Unfortunately, that makes us look vulnerable. Make the mistake of attacking us though, and:
It just will not end well for you.
[X] [Fyth] Mother
This fits best with our people. We try to be calm, peaceful, and helpful for the most part. Unfortunately, that makes us look vulnerable. Make the mistake of attacking us though, and:
It just will not end well for you.
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
- Location
- ꙮ
[X] [Crow] Spider-Eyed
[X] [Fyth] Matron
[X] [Main] Great Temple
[X] [Secondary] Improve Annual Festival
[X] [Secondary] Expand Vineyard
We have leading w/ a single secondary. I think we should invest in this. Next turn we should make the Trade Post, the turn after that a Main Docks.
[X] [Fyth] Matron
[X] [Main] Great Temple
[X] [Secondary] Improve Annual Festival
[X] [Secondary] Expand Vineyard
We have leading w/ a single secondary. I think we should invest in this. Next turn we should make the Trade Post, the turn after that a Main Docks.
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- Location
- Simi Valley, CA, United States
[X] [Crow] Teacher
Given my earlier considerations of merging Crow with Mathulmyn this seems apt - teacher/advice giver to the king.
[X] [Fyth] Harvest
She's most commonly seen with wheat and a sickle.
[X] [Main] Great Temple
[X] [Secondary] Found Trading Post - Greenshore River Mouth
[X] [Secondary] Found Trading Post - Greenshore River Mouth x2
Don't want to be caught flat-footed again.
Given my earlier considerations of merging Crow with Mathulmyn this seems apt - teacher/advice giver to the king.
[X] [Fyth] Harvest
She's most commonly seen with wheat and a sickle.
[X] [Main] Great Temple
[X] [Secondary] Found Trading Post - Greenshore River Mouth
[X] [Secondary] Found Trading Post - Greenshore River Mouth x2
Don't want to be caught flat-footed again.
- Location
- USA
A Secondary counts as a Main, but I'm not sure we can TAKE it at a Secondary, if you see what I'm saying.
The Temple doesn't give stability upon completing sadly. Only Land Management-type megaprojects do.
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- Location
- From the moon
Hey @Academia Nut hopefully this isn't asking too much but what do the aspects of our chosen gods really mean what's their impact, their changed message? Even If only what the spiritual advisor thinks they mean.
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
- Location
- Lickwidget
- Pronouns
- She/Her
That... makes no sense? How else could a Secondary count as a Main unless we can take a Secondary?
- Location
- Australia
I'm pretty sure we were somewhere close to a millennium too early for iron but we still got that. But still, even if we don't get steel, it might give us better iron and cement the idea of alloying within our civilisation.
We should go for Harvest Fyth because it has the largest synergy with Divine Stewards. We have Strong Opinions about farming. We should avoid both the Fertility and Matron options since the losing side will be very angry if the other wins, as they currently get into a lot of arguments.
Since it looks like my old vote is bandwagoning, I'll vote for my alternative for now until more discussion happens.
[X] [Crow] Spider-Eyed
[X] [Fyth] Harvest
[X] [Main] Great Temple
[X] [Secondary] Improve Annual Festival
[X] [Secondary] Expand Vineyard
Stability is really nice. Vineyards has a reasonable chance of letting us Dominate the wine market in 1-2 turns.
@Academia Nut
Study Metal doesn't have any boost listed. Is this intentional?
Since it looks like my old vote is bandwagoning, I'll vote for my alternative for now until more discussion happens.
[X] [Crow] Spider-Eyed
[X] [Fyth] Harvest
[X] [Main] Great Temple
[X] [Secondary] Improve Annual Festival
[X] [Secondary] Expand Vineyard
Stability is really nice. Vineyards has a reasonable chance of letting us Dominate the wine market in 1-2 turns.
@Academia Nut
Study Metal doesn't have any boost listed. Is this intentional?
pblur
Reminiscing over the halcyon days of Ymaryn
- Location
- Lawrence's Wagon
Oooh
[x][Main] Great Temple
[x][Secondary] Change Policy - Megaproject Support
[x][Secondary] Improve Festival
This will finish Temple and start a golden age in one turn.
Abby Normal
High Clerk of the Ymaryn
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Diff Checker (Civ Sheet)
Diff Checker (Actions)
No change, just past the "end of turn" placeholder; +3 will apply during the midturn.
Econ 4 (+5+1) [-1] => 11 (+1)[-1]
End of turn econ applied, plus 2 from refugees. +1 will apply during the midturn as well i think
EE 5 (+1) -> 4
Delayed expansion from boats added, then 2 subtracted from refugees
No change in martial.
Yesss! No loss from refugees, and +2 from RoO
As for my vote... for now:
[X] [Crow] Spider-Eyed
[X] [Fyth] Matron
[X] [Main] Great Temple
[X] [Secondary] Improve Annual Festival
[X] [Secondary] Study Metal
I like Crow as many-faceted, i think "Matron" is the best interpretation for Fyth, seems the most "yes women can be powerful and wise too"-y*, and then for actions i like the free doubled festival, and i like the idea of getting some more metal study in
*On that note... @Academia Nut i asked earlier but it got lost in all the questions at the time, how have things evolved on the women's rights/female leadership/gender norms front in the centuries since you last gave us a big overview of it, before Magwyna?
Diff Checker (Actions)
Diplo 13 (+0+3)[+1] -> 13 (+3) [+1]
No change, just past the "end of turn" placeholder; +3 will apply during the midturn.
Econ 4 (+5+1) [-1] => 11 (+1)[-1]
End of turn econ applied, plus 2 from refugees. +1 will apply during the midturn as well i think
EE 5 (+1) -> 4
Delayed expansion from boats added, then 2 subtracted from refugees
No change in martial.
Stability -1 -> 1
Yesss! No loss from refugees, and +2 from RoO
Huh, Hath already have wine...but even just one vineyard is enough to put us leading? I guess they either also just got it, or are bad enough at farming in general that they dont make much?
...Not sure what "in" means? Internal maybe? So that's basically saying "These places make tin, but don't trade it"?
...Wait. Did we fully get Bronze? Not just the general idea? We actually know how to make it???
Major Docks gained!
Yessss CA probably crit!
No real change here, AN just updated the [Observance] tag to [LoW].
! Very nice! =D
No more "Verge of innovation" on boats.
New action, basically the same as the original action, down to having identical fluff.
New action! I'd like to get this at some point...
As for my vote... for now:
[X] [Crow] Spider-Eyed
[X] [Fyth] Matron
[X] [Main] Great Temple
[X] [Secondary] Improve Annual Festival
[X] [Secondary] Study Metal
I like Crow as many-faceted, i think "Matron" is the best interpretation for Fyth, seems the most "yes women can be powerful and wise too"-y*, and then for actions i like the free doubled festival, and i like the idea of getting some more metal study in
*On that note... @Academia Nut i asked earlier but it got lost in all the questions at the time, how have things evolved on the women's rights/female leadership/gender norms front in the centuries since you last gave us a big overview of it, before Magwyna?
Not actually true unless the Great Temple produces stability on its own - it doesn't qualify for Divine Stewards.
Granted, it might do that on its own.
Anyways, I'll go along with the "take our time reforming our religion" path, even if I'm likely to miss the voting for parts of it.
[X] [Crow] Spider-Eyed
[X] [Fyth] Matron
[X] [Main] Great Temple
[X] [Secondary] Improve Annual Festival
[X] [Secondary] Study Forests
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BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
- Location
- Lickwidget
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Also prelim Tally.
I do dig the Crow Spider Eyed + Fythy Mother.
Vote Tally : Original - Paths of Civilization | Page 1820 | Sufficient Velocity
##### NetTally 1.9.1
Task: Secondary
[6][Secondary] Improve Annual Festival
[3][Secondary] Found Trading Post - Greenshore River Mouth
[3][Secondary] Found Trading Post - Greenshore River Mouth x2
[2][secondary] Change Policy - Megaproject Support
[2][Secondary] Expand Vineyard
[2][Secondary] Study Metal
[2][Secondary] Study Forests
[1][Secondary] Improve Festival
[1][Secondary] Build Docks
——————————————————————————————————————————————Task: Crow
[11][Crow] Spider-Eyed
[2][Crow] Teacher
——————————————————————————————————————————————Task: Fyth
[5][Fyth] Harvest
[4][Fyth] Fertility
[2][Fyth] Matron
[2][Fyth] Mother
——————————————————————————————————————————————Task: Main
[9][Main] Great Temple
Total No. of Voters: 15
I do dig the Crow Spider Eyed + Fythy Mother.
Vote Tally : Original - Paths of Civilization | Page 1820 | Sufficient Velocity
##### NetTally 1.9.1
Task: Secondary
[6][Secondary] Improve Annual Festival
[3][Secondary] Found Trading Post - Greenshore River Mouth
[3][Secondary] Found Trading Post - Greenshore River Mouth x2
[2][secondary] Change Policy - Megaproject Support
[2][Secondary] Expand Vineyard
[2][Secondary] Study Metal
[2][Secondary] Study Forests
[1][Secondary] Improve Festival
[1][Secondary] Build Docks
——————————————————————————————————————————————Task: Crow
[11][Crow] Spider-Eyed
[2][Crow] Teacher
——————————————————————————————————————————————Task: Fyth
[5][Fyth] Harvest
[4][Fyth] Fertility
[2][Fyth] Matron
[2][Fyth] Mother
——————————————————————————————————————————————Task: Main
[9][Main] Great Temple
Total No. of Voters: 15
- Location
- USA
We USED to be able to take Festivals as Secondary actions. It's very possible that other Civilizations still can, or that a particular value would let us do so. If this is true, then the "flavor text" here would sill list "Secondary becomes Main" even though it's actually impossible for our civilization to take it at a Secondary level. If any of that makes sense.That... makes no sense? How else could a Secondary count as a Main unless we can take a Secondary?
- Location
- Hell
But
But
the nakky!
Still think we should try and do Study Forest once. It's been there since forever.
But why not forest, so we can get bees and honey. That helps our agriculture and gives us mead.
We don't get stability from finishing the temple. That's land management megaprojects.
- Location
- Mists of Albion
Wait does that make Crow the father?
@Academia Nut
Can provinces take Improve Annual Festival while on Balanced? Does the Special apply to their actions as well?
edit: Also, looking at the current vote, would a province do the other half of the Found Trading Post action?
Can provinces take Improve Annual Festival while on Balanced? Does the Special apply to their actions as well?
edit: Also, looking at the current vote, would a province do the other half of the Found Trading Post action?
Temple won't give Stability, it's not Land Management. No Golden Age unless we Enforce Authority or otherwise get bonus stability during the mid-turn.
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- Location
- United States of America, Michigan
[X] [Crow] Spider-Eyed
[X] [Fyth] Harvest
[X] [Main] Great Temple
[X] [Secondary] Improve Annual Festival
[X] [Secondary] Build Docks
Hopefully a province will help with the docks turning it into a main.
[X] [Fyth] Harvest
[X] [Main] Great Temple
[X] [Secondary] Improve Annual Festival
[X] [Secondary] Build Docks
Hopefully a province will help with the docks turning it into a main.
pblur
Reminiscing over the halcyon days of Ymaryn
- Location
- Lawrence's Wagon
I stand corrected. Got to think about my other secondary.
Edit: For now:
[X] [Crow] Spider-Eyed
[X] [Fyth] Fertility
[X] [Main] Great Temple
[X] [Secondary] Improve Annual Festival
[X] [Secondary] Expand Snail Cultivation
Lets make the omake canon guys. Spider-eyed Crow and fertility Fythy. The ultimate ship.
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