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Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
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pblur
Reminiscing over the halcyon days of Ymaryn
- Location
- Lawrence's Wagon
Given how the tallier works, your two votes are competing for the Main slot. You're casting two ballots for Main and none for secondary.
- Location
- United States of America, Michigan
No it isn't the same because the AN uses the top main and top two secondary actions to decide what wins. Your vote as it currently is will be double voting for the main action of which there will only be one so your second vote is pointless.
Actually consider how it'd work(generating a probable turn assuming Provinces consider impending Shaman shortage to be a big problem, Holy Site actions may be replaced if other urgent problems arise):
Turn start: Econ 12->11, Econ Slot 6->7, Mys 2->1, Dip 12->15
[Main] Temple: Econ 11->10, Art 11->10, Econ Slot 7->8
[Secondary] New Trails: -
[Secondary] New Trails x2: Econ 10->9, Dip 15->16, Econ Slot 8->9
Province Law Expand Economy Econ 9->13, Econ Slot 9->5
Province Study Stars: Mys 1->2
Province Expand Holy Site: -
Province Expand Holy Site x2: Econ 13->11, Econ Slot 5->6, Mys 2->4, Art 10->11
Turn end(overflow procs): Dip 16->14, Art 11->13
End state: Dip 14, Econ 11, Art 13, Econ Slot 6
That's the point of a True City, it means you don't need to stop to build new settlements for slots, as you will generally break even on slots every turn as long as you don't stop Expanding Economy.
Actually it's counting on it to take multiple turns to work on the problem. We don't need to rush EVERY megaproject, and we have Balanced policy as a powerful tool for general damage control
Unfortunate, but that just means one settlement will dip in and out of True City status, denying us the ability to turn Expand Forest into an Econ Slot reactor.
Switching to Megaproject support policy is kind of missing the point anyway. Balanced is pretty much ideal for Econ and Mysticism taxes, as they take care of themselves.
- Location
- Simi Valley, CA, United States
[X] [Main] Great Temple
[X] [Secondary] Expand Holy Sites
[X] [Secondary] Change Policy - Megaproject Support
[X] [Kick] Great Temple
So, I don't really understand the push for New Trails. Do we need more Centralization at the moment? Can someone please explain it to me.
And we're going to go down to -1 Stability if we Kick it but I think we need it.
@Academia Nut, can part of the Great Temple be reserved for sacred tomes so we get a bonus to the Great Library?
[X] [Secondary] Expand Holy Sites
[X] [Secondary] Change Policy - Megaproject Support
[X] [Kick] Great Temple
So, I don't really understand the push for New Trails. Do we need more Centralization at the moment? Can someone please explain it to me.
And we're going to go down to -1 Stability if we Kick it but I think we need it.
@Academia Nut, can part of the Great Temple be reserved for sacred tomes so we get a bonus to the Great Library?
I think we can all agree the provinces will be covering our shortfalls based on the current ongoing voting plan. Some with myth action, other with trail action.
I just hope they aren't feeling like expanding warriors or sailing/trade missions.That would throw all of our plans out the window. Hilarious tho.
Provinces act in our best interests. They'd be spending on Mysticism or backing us up.
Or walls maybe.
- Location
- Actually pretty lost
Wait - If both Diplomacy and Economy are overflowing, does that mean that Econ is converted to Myst?
Yes, 2 is alarmingly low - especially since True City leaves us more vulnerable to problems caused by low Centralisation.
pblur
Reminiscing over the halcyon days of Ymaryn
- Location
- Lawrence's Wagon
Note that one way of solving the econ tax is a golden age. A golden age did 1 expand econ per turn; not sure how that interacts now that expand econ is twofer. Either way, it would both offset the maintenance cost and keep the slots low so it stays a true city.
- Location
- Somewhere over the rainbow
So from what I'm seeing, this gives us about 4 actions of leeway past this one turn. Actions which we need for: Stability, Walls, possibly War Missions, Forests, higher Centralization... oh dear looks like we have more needs than actions.
Reasons for Trails:
-New provinces and march have only dirt trails
-True City increases vulnerability to environmental damage, which is resisted by Centralization.
I see they learned the ST lesson.
- Location
- Madness realms
We need mysticism and stab hopefully we can enter a golden age soon and start expanding east
Also the straw poll votes are
22 lowlands
21 east
5 steppes
Also the straw poll votes are
22 lowlands
21 east
5 steppes
IIRC, one of the reasons that provinces love to build new settlements is that it increases their power relative to that of the state. It logically follows that they will tend to avoid centralization increasing actions outside of special circumstances.
Feelings right now:
Everyone only had dirt trails, that's all we have. This just makes more and wider trails.
Improving Stability is super important right now, as is fixing Centralization. Enforce Law does both. (And solves Centralization far
more efficiently than Trails, too)
pblur
Reminiscing over the halcyon days of Ymaryn
- Location
- Lawrence's Wagon
There's now a fourth option though. Build Tall. We no longer have a need to expand.
Not trying to say expansion is the wrong choice. But it's no longer the ONLY choice.
- Location
- The People's Saltern
New trails also has additional effects, and it should improve other actions by improving our logistics.
[X] [Main] Great Temple
[X] [Secondary] New Trails
[X] [Secondary] New Trails x2
pblur
Reminiscing over the halcyon days of Ymaryn
- Location
- Lawrence's Wagon
Is there an AN citation on that? Or are you extrapolating from reallife?
- Location
- Simi Valley, CA, United States
Where is that stated? I don't see it in the update.
pblur
Reminiscing over the halcyon days of Ymaryn
- Location
- Lawrence's Wagon
I'm not terribly fussed either way. I do think our first main Trails since Iron is decently likely to give innovations.
- Location
- nz
[X][Main] Great Temple
[X][Secondary] New Trails
[X][Secondary] New Trails x2
[X][Secondary] New Trails
[X][Secondary] New Trails x2