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Guile said:
LITERALLY salt in the wound. I like it.
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Your avatar is most amusing right now.

Anyway...

[X] Improve Annual Festival (-2 Econ, +1 Stability, +1 Art chance for additional effects)
[X] Breed it
[X] Build boats to counter them (-2 Econ, +1 Econ and +1 Diplo next turn, other potential effects)
[X] Yes (Trade step farming for chinampas)

Locking in, although I will also include a short post on what equipment is like.
 
While you are here @Academia Nut how have the religions of the region changed since you last talked about it? Have we gained new heroes turned spirits, how is the Thunder Speakers religion changing now that they are basically a mysticism civ, do the Eastern Thunder Horses worship the same gods as the Thunder Speakers and have Xohyssiri added a Ymaryn analogue god to their religion?
 
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People's Panoply - Early Iron Age
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    • People's Panoply

    Arms

    The most common weapon of the People is the bow, and while the composite bow is perhaps the most famous, most of the People who use one make do with simpler constructions, mostly unitary recurve or flatbows, with a few longbows also present. Those who for whatever reason do not use bows will train with slings or at least javelins. While iron heads on arrows, darts, and javelins have become the norm, some still use stone heads in places where iron has not quite fully reached yet.

    In melee the predominant weapons are spears and clubs - the spears often also doubling as heavy javelins depending on preference - with the demon club being a two handed specialist weapon. In recent years the militia has also started bringing theoretically agricultural tools such as axes and sickles into battle, as these give easy access to iron edged weaponry. Iron daggers are also typical, and are starting to grow as work on making sickles with longer blades and general one-up-man-ship has been causing them to expand. Sickles and daggers tucked into the belt have become something of a status symbol among those in the militia, and the elite warriors have also been picking up the habit.

    Armour

    Many warriors of the People go into battle relatively lightly adorned due to a combination of summer heat often making heavier clothing uncomfortable, missile troops frequently finding heavy armour gets in the way too much, and the belief among many that wearing excessive clothing into battle is a way for spirits of disease to seize you. For those that do wear protection, quilted linen or wool is by far the most common protection, providing a layer of padding, with leather commonly used as reinforcement. For certain warriors, cages of wicker are worn to provide additional protection against clubs and slingstones and to better help deflect arrows or spears.

    Also in use are shields, which are usually made of wicker or leather stretched over a frame, although planks of wood reinforced with leather are becoming more common, especially as iron nails and studs see wider use.
     
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    • No widespread or layered armor yet. Make sense, early armor doesn't do much against blunt and thrust attacks. We can likely get standard light armor once our productivity is overhauled with metal tools.

    Leather with linen padding are decent and cheap enough for the main warrior group.
     
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    @Academia Nut Military advisor:Suggestions for getting basic metal armor/widespread lgiht leather armor/any combination of better armor?

    Edit:Also no mention on shields, though those are part of our tech.
     
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    Academia Nut said:
    King does not have the concepts to ask such a question, nor the adviser to answer.
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    well shoot, that actually poses a problem.

    How about this:

    Military Advisor: do you see merit on a wooden shield back/bound by iron for elite troops as a viable option, and if so What do we need to do to produce one?

    Going this direction gets the concepts of metal being useful for defensive purposes as well as offensive purposes.
     
    tryrar said:
    Military Advisor: do you see merit on a wooden shield back/bound by iron for elite troops as a viable option, and if so What do we need to do to produce one?
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    There are some experimenting with larger sections of iron on the shields, but a fully iron shield would be too heavy to be practical. Also, productivity seems to be keeping up with demand, so unless there is a greater need for more melee troops this seems unnecessary.
     
    Hm, it seems we are in the path to discovering the quintessential melee weapon, the sword, with people competing for who has the bigger, meaner iron dagger.

    We are the only ones who, have iron, right? Everyone is using copper weaponry, or maybe Bronze for their elites?
     
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    War chief: in general sense, whom have responsibility to maintain the weapons? Does the state provide the equipments and minor consumables? (comfort food, winter blanket, food wrapping, and herbs.)

    Administrative chief: is there standard method of making and storing of war supply and equipment?

    Spirit chief: do you have concern for using farming/peaceful tools for war?
     
    Guile said:
    Aren't our ships basically just multiple canoes lashed together?
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    Not quite.

    Here is the quote where AN describes them to be more like Dhows.

    Academia Nut said:
    Probably something along the lines of primitive dhows.



    Yes, going out more might inspire improved designs.



    Right now they will preferentially build more troops, but will launch attacks if they have nothing better to do with Policy set to Offence.
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    TotallyNotEvil said:
    Hm, it seems we are in the path to discovering the quintessential melee weapon, the sword, with people competing for who has the bigger, meaner iron dagger.
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    That's how it was found the first time around. I think this is a case of Honor of Elites triggering, I gotta make the best kinda thing.
     
    Funny how something so utterly basic, such as nails, are absolutely revolutionary in this situation.

    Boats? Nails. Houses? Nails. Shields? Nails. Chariots? Nails. Wagons? Nails.
     
    I feel like I and the war faction succeeded in making us more warlike and it's only a matter of time we steamroll into the lowlands *diabolical laughter*
     
    BungieONI said:
    That's how it was found the first time around. I think this is a case of Honor of Elites triggering, I gotta make the best kinda thing.
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    Actually, it sounds like it is coming from Quantity, since it is the Yeomen that started it. From there, the warriors realized it was a good idea and adopted it as a symbol, which accelerated it even further.
    TotallyNotEvil said:
    Funny how something so utterly basic, such as nails, are absolutely revolutionary in this situation.

    Boats? Nails. Houses? Nails. Shields? Nails. Chariots? Nails. Wagons? Nails.
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    For Want Of a Nail is a pretty famous thing. :V
     
    Academia Nut said:
    There are some experimenting with larger sections of iron on the shields, but a fully iron shield would be too heavy to be practical. Also, productivity seems to be keeping up with demand, so unless there is a greater need for more melee troops this seems unnecessary.
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    Ah, so right now unless we need mass formations of infantry we're not going to get much in the way of armor development then, since cavalry don't need heavy armor or a shield more advanced that a one made with planks bound/backed by leather.

    Different question. Military Advisor:any advancement in tactics specifically designed to fight ship-to-ship, either in boarding or the ship itself fighting in some manner(such as ramming)?
     
    VoidZero said:
    @Academia Nut

    War chief: in general sense, whom have responsibility to maintain the weapons? Does the state provide the equipments and minor consumables? (comfort food, winter blanket, food wrapping, and herbs.)

    Administrative chief: is there standard method of making and storing of war supply and equipment?

    Spirit chief: do you have concern for using farming/peaceful tools for war?
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    Generally the state provides the gear, but it is the responsibility of the person issued to to maintain it. Additionally, many warriors will use their luxury rations and the like to purchase the time of artisans to improve their gear. While some concern about some purchasing additional iron and using the gear issued to them for raw materials to make larger versions, in general so long as the gear is at least as good as it was when issued the chiefs don't have a problem. Consumables are generally all provided for by the state.

    There are generally agreed upon amounts of food and supplies for certain kinds of campaigns, yes.

    While some have raised concern, especially with the sickles (although part of that is pure practicality), the simple fact of the matter is that axes are good enough at both jobs that of course they will be used for both and asking for a separation seems wasteful.

    Malevolo said:
    do we have a mining/forge chief?
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    While often rolled into the Artisan/Administration duties, the mines are becoming important enough that they may start getting their own independent advisor in the future.

    tryrar said:
    Different question. Military Advisor:any advancement in tactics specifically designed to fight ship-to-ship, either in boarding or the ship itself fighting in some manner(such as ramming)?
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    Not really, but that's because the People are already really good archers and sometimes the chariot archers will go out on the ships to help them if they are being harassed.
     
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