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Alex pears said:
THATSSSS...

Not much better at all.

Seriously we're in the copper age and bronze might be just round the corner we maybe best farmers (how good are we) and best health care experts (for the time anyway), but I don't want to be shat on because some ass got a bronze army.
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True. So true.

It is not much better at all. However, it is not catastrophic, like a full ban on study or a refusal to use would be. So I'm not playing it in my own mind as such and I'm not gonna stress about it.



Omegahugger said:
Didn't AN come out and say that we haven't even reached the literacy requirements now? (or well technically a few turns ago)

It probably was impossible barring triple crits and the like...
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If we'd gone into it with 3 Stability we probably could have gotten it, but ehh, it's leaves in the wind for me now. It gave us Policies, and it's made us a super tiny but deadly Rabbit of Caerbannog Expy. I'm happy.
 
Omegahugger said:
Didn't AN come out and say that we haven't even reached the literacy requirements now? (or well technically a few turns ago)
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He did say that, but since then we've expanded holy sites to the point where we're maxed out on Mysticism.

Omegahugger said:
It probably was impossible barring triple crits and the like...
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Nope. All that was left was to get to Stability 2 (we were at 1) and then a few more Main Expand Holy Sites. Another turn or two was all we needed.
 
@Academia Nut
If we DID somehow complete the crisis and got the tax reform done our way... what would we have gotten? Its been some time so maybe you'll actually say rather than be coy :p
 
Hmmm, is the shiny that our mystics cooking up behind the Wait vote, Super Taxes?
On one hand getting Fractions and math is VERY VERY good, on the other
Fucking Taxes
though that's an administrative thing, so it probably won't be a mystic's reward, I wish we had a Admin hero during the tax crisis
 
Academia Nut said:
He laughed and went all "So I see that you are claiming your primary income on your flint knapping from line 154 here..." or something like that, and also figured that the players in his Kingmaker campaign were going to try something that was also waaaaaaaay more complicated than a psuedo-medieval society could handle at some point and get burned for it.
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I had a big long omake of a Neolithic tax shaman walking a client through a living trust and probate package with supplementary sabertooth tiger warding and a transfer of his quarry pension, but it seemed too dry for most to appreciate. He probably would have loved it.
 
Academia Nut said:
Where things really went wrong was that Marx just sort of assumed that the industrial working class as a whole would rise up as one to overthrow the capitalists, only that really isn't how people or revolutions work. It takes a lot to get the average person to be up for the uncertainty of revolution, and even then they typically want not radical change but restoration to some prior (perceived) order. Thus you get guys like Lenin who posit that the revolution requires a vanguard, a small group of dedicated revolutionaries capable of dragging the rest of society along with them, and the attendant horrible shit that comes when the majority of the population objects to this upheaval.
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Lenin wasn't actually actually wrong though. There have been studies done on the revolutions that have occurred throughout the centuries, and the number they came to is for it to succeed you only really need 3.5% of the population in active resistance. That's it. The American Revolution dragged the majority of the people along, as did the French, as did the Russian.

The rest of people as you mentioned just generally want to live their lives, and aren't really relevant to the discussion to an actual revolution whether that's defending against one or starting one, as they'll just go on with their lives as best as they can regardless so are passive. They're just not willing to take the risk that active engagement brings.

This remains true today, climate change is god damn scary and will effect everyone enormously, yet people just don't give enough of a shit to make the sacrifices needed even as year on year, the the bad scenarios that scientists have said we should absolutely avoid have accelerated and been brought forward. A rise of 2 degree's celsius was predicted to happen in 2075 a few decades ago, now it could be as close as 2025. The greatest biome on the world the ocean is dying due to over fishing, pollution and acidification, and rising temperatures. The global population continues to rise, and the deforestation of forests and rainforests have also accelerated. And you still get shit like Trump's "Make American Great Again" when the USA is the wealthiest country in the world, has one of the highest wages in the world, is one of the safest and least corrupt in the world, has the best military in the world and is the most successful country at foreign and cultural influence that has ever existed. How fucking arrogant must you be, how little perspective must you have, to make such claims when you live lives better than 95% of the people on the planet. Who are unwilling to make even marginal sacrifices to help the rest of world, yet have the gall to claim they're a Christian nation.

The vast majority of people just don't give a shit, and while they may make bold claims, when it comes time to make sacrifices to live up to them they flounder, change their tune, or make excuses.
 
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[X] Quality training
[X] Overturn superstition (-10 Mysticism, -1 Stability)
[X] Humiliate (Hard, +1 Prestige)
[X] Focus efforts on the Thunder Speakers
I feel like we need to bite the bullet on this and get rid of this extremely debilitating belief and not speculate on getting lucky and evolving just the right trait, if we get really lucky this might push us in the direction of observation evolving anyway, though this is pretty unlikely.
 
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