I just want our civ to form a Corporatocracy in the future because it'd be hilarious...
But that's just because I was just in a PM chat talking about Gov types for Space Age Civs... and it sounds awesome and interesting even if corrupt as shit :p
 
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Also he was an idiot

He didn't implement any of the system. It's more like his followers were idiots.

Imposition of top down plans onto the system below resulted in disaster, as they were disconnected from reality and how humans operate. If they have any flexibility, they would be able to make their system work(however designed), even if they have to adopt the hated ideas of market systems.
 
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You know, we got the same issue with tax reform. The Ymaryn tried to impose the tax reform on the whole system at once instead of doing it piecemeal one settlement at a time, before progressively scaling it up.

It would had saved us a whole lot of headache.
 
I tend to view him as another Adam Smith, more or less. Both are way outdated and flawed, and yet both have given birth to valuable lines of econimic snd social thought. Certainly not an idiot.

I tried to read his book. Boy it was difficult to get through that I quit shortly after. Maybe I should read Karl Marx sometime.
 
Liberal thought lines are valuable in that they favor the working class and individuals within exploitative systems or neutral structures in general over the structures themselves. In terms of economics, they can be considered a corrective force to the right's creative one. In terms of culture, they are the creative force to the right's corrective one.
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Also he was an idiot


I hate him with a passion, but it's unacceptable to demean the intelligence and competence of those we disagree with (even if we find them wholly repellent). For that way lies dismissal and and the accumulation of contempt to the point where we find purging them or at least suppressing and ignoring them to be perfectly fine.

" they are not us, they are inferior, idiotic and incompetent, and maybe evil, if not they would have the same views as us! For our views are obviously intelligent anyone who objects is mentally unsound at best! "

And thus begins re-education, correction camps or subtler methods to achieve the same.
 
Socialism and left wing socialist parties cannot be labelled as valuable.

Then again maybe my experiences have been tainted somewhat by the Labour Party...
McCarthy Pls Go
I bet you think unions are a net negative on the economy too
 
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I hate him with a passion, but it's unacceptable to demean the intelligence and competence of those we disagree with (even if we find them wholly repellent). For that way lies dismissal and and the accumulation of contempt to the point where we find purging them or at least suppressing and ignoring them to be perfectly fine.

" they are not us, they are inferior, idiotic and incompetent, and maybe evil, if not they would have the same views as us! For our views are obviously intelligent anyone who objects is mentally unsound at best! "

And thus begins re-education, correction camps or subtler methods to achieve the same.
And yet calling people you don't agree with idiots is so common...


Nah idiocy is the stuff people do that can get them nominated for Darwin Awards if it's stupid enough.
 
Huh. That's actually quite efficient way of spending wealth. They could also spend money on art patronage and scholars if they were rich enough.

We still need the concept of a bank and money to make it work.
It's extremely likely that people also spend their wealth on "art patronage" in the form of commissioning nice bowls or sculptures or jewelry for gifts or decoration.

But it is an efficient way of spending wealth. The lack of a loan system is good in that it forces people to be more frugal, such that even nice bowls are going to have an actual purpose just like sculptures are likely to be religious artifacts and jewelry is in some form a long term investment. It helps that we lack strong alcohols and drugs, too.
 
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Well, Marx has given birth to a lot of modern ideas of social science and history, so, regardless of ideology, he deserves a lot of respect as a scientist.

Respect for academic competence or any other achievement dos not equate respect for the individual (it can induce it though)
To respect a person you need to know him, not his deeds and thoughts.

Edit : sorry didn't read the last word you typed , yeah my post is rather redundant, apologies.
 
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Huh. That's actually quite efficient way of spending wealth. They could also spend money on art patronage and scholars if they were rich enough.

We still need the concept of a bank and money to make it work.

And that's even more complex than tax system. If we really what that, then we need to put coinage first and we need a lot of metal.
 
Respect for academic competence or any other achievement dos not equate respect for the individual (it can induce it though)
To respect a person you need to know him, not his deeds and thoughts.
... I doubt McLuvin has time-traveled and interacted with Marx enough to "know" him such that he can dislike him. He dislikes the man for the ideas, not the man.
 
Respect for academic competence or any other achievement dos not equate respect for the individual (it can induce it though)
To respect a person you need to know him, not his deeds and thoughts.

I do not understand. You can totally respect a person for their competence and achievements; now, you may not like them, but isn't respect all about being earned specifically by achievements?

And what is individual if not their deeds and thoughts? Or, at least, what else can we possibly judge already dead people by?
 
Well, Marx has given birth to a lot of modern ideas of social science and history, so, regardless of ideology, he deserves a lot of respect as a scientist.
Any way since I don't want the thread to explode into politicizing...


Any ideas on grand strategy? I'm predicting the Xoh will arrive on the scene, if the TS's pride lets them. It'd be interesting and kinda in character for the pride of the TS keeping them from accepting help. See this quote:

Seems the Thunder Speaker was still rankling over the whole 'grandfather forced to bow' thing and the fact that the Thunder Horse still hadn't exploded into mutual violence over the imbalance of power and decided that he wasn't going to let someone tell him what to do. Proud, stubborn morons. As forces began to move and the Highlands Kingdom replied that they would of course come to the aid of their allies against aggressors, word soon began to come back that the lord of the Thunder Speakers wasn't going to help them with something they started.
We think of them as proud but stupid people. Which makes some sense comparing values.
Interestingly it looks as if the Liege of the Thunder Speakers in the Eastern Thunder Horse is not inclined to help them. We might be panicking over nothing.

Almost a certainty we will be fighting the Xoh though which sucks all kinds of fiery explosions.
 
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