If so, then the first step will be to settle the Badlands. It has been the biggest deterrent in expanding into the Lowlands. Without anything to serve as a jumping point, all our efforts are blunted.
It's almost like I've been agitating that for several turns. :V

But yeah, the Badlands is the reason I'm hoping Magwinya keeps Expansion running for this turn, or at least does it herself. I know it doesn't look super attractive from a pure system perspective, but in terms of narrative it's massively useful.
 
It's a good thing we're better masons* than the HK and have a huge labor pool.
*Based on having domestic copper and having far more engineering/stoneworking projects under our belt


To be fair, harmony and symphony really help address that. As well as the fact each province has more stake in staying because each provincial chief get's a decent shot at the kingship. I'm not saying we won't ever run the risk of breakaway states, but we're ridiculously well suited for making Elected Provincial Kingdom work.

I'm not saying we can take and hold the entirety of the Lowlands as things stand (even if it should be viable as we get more advanced) but I'm saying if we carve ourselves even a small chunk of the lowlands and then proceed to leverage our obscene amount of actions to fortify the shit out of it- no one is going to be able to easily take it from us. Especially since the various settlements we conquer are going to be fairly well inclined to stick with the guys actually developing and fortifying their territory rather than simply taking tribute and fighting over them.
A version of Helm's Deep that can't be cracked by something silly like an Uruk-hai army sounds pleasant.
 
It's almost like I've been agitating that for several turns. :V

But yeah, the Badlands is the reason I'm hoping Magwinya keeps Expansion running for this turn, or at least does it herself. I know it doesn't look super attractive from a pure system perspective, but in terms of narrative it's massively useful.
And it lets us be like that older sister who slams her door in her younger brother's face when he is being a little dipshit.

It's perfect.
 
A version of Helm's Deep that can't be cracked by something silly like an Uruk-hai army sounds pleasant.
It get's even better when you account for the fact we have some of the best missile weaponry around. Good luck taking walls by storm when their ranged weaponry is longer ranged and far more potent than yours.
 
It get's even better when you account for the fact we have some of the best missile weaponry around. Good luck taking walls by storm when their ranged weaponry is longer ranged and far more potent than yours.
"Do you want to be a pincushion today Lowlanders?"

"Step right up then!"

Fwip.
 
It's almost like I've been agitating that for several turns. :V

But yeah, the Badlands is the reason I'm hoping Magwinya keeps Expansion running for this turn, or at least does it herself. I know it doesn't look super attractive from a pure system perspective, but in terms of narrative it's massively useful.
I recall less of you pushing for the Badlands settlement than you pushing for attacking our neighbors and trying to carve out more of the lowlands via war.

I suggest smaller steps, push forth the value of the Badlands first. We already know that it is difficult to reach the Lowlands, but an additional effect is that word of AN has already stated that having a settlement there will allow for easier immigration into our land. The easier it is for people to run away to us, the likelier we will get greater Econ and tech infusions.
 
I recall less of you pushing for the Badlands settlement than you pushing for attacking our neighbors and trying to carve out more of the lowlands via war.

I suggest smaller steps, push forth the value of the Badlands first. We already know that it is difficult to reach the Lowlands, but an additional effect is that word of AN has already stated that having a settlement there will allow for easier immigration into our land. The easier it is for people to run away to us, the likelier we will get greater Econ and tech infusions.
It might even have a net positive effect on Stability. Why? Well if we look at it, it might provide a waypoint for refugees and immigrants to be acclimatized to our culture.

It also acts as a test bed for us to spot problems before they become something headache inducing.
 
It might even have a net positive effect on Stability. Why? Well if we look at it, it might provide a waypoint for refugees and immigrants to be acclimatized to our culture.

It also acts as a test bed for us to spot problems before they become something headache inducing.
More importantly, it works as another barrier for disease prevention. Note that our South Valleyhome is already doing so. If we instead have a town for that specific use, that helps lessen our people's worries.
 
It get's even better when you account for the fact we have some of the best missile weaponry around. Good luck taking walls by storm when their ranged weaponry is longer ranged and far more potent than yours.
More importantly, it works as another barrier for disease prevention. Note that our South Valleyhome is already doing so. If we instead have a town for that specific use, that helps lessen our people's worries.
We should probably put Policy back to General at some point, because it's one of our only ways to find out what our provinces are currently interested in.

And that kind of disease buffer is really nice to have.

Another thing I've been contemplating recently is about our overflowing stats:

Based on the +2 Art we are getting from Mysticism I think our [color= red]red[/color] max is 12 in that stat. I think the same applies to Art.
So we will be sitting at, at least two red stats with Econ possibly also being in the yellow. And if Mysticism is going to keep overflowing into Art then me and bluefur87 think that Art overflow will go into Prestige.

I feel very strongly that there is going to be some kind of Stat Overflow Event. Thoughts as to it's nature?
 
Oh goodness no I'm seeing people advocating for getting into the lowlands. Guys, that's a bad idea. The whole place is a mess and it would be a bad idea to involve ourselves in it. Let's just leave it be. There's no need to get greedy.

(turns out passing Eye for an Eye down into the lowlands long ago might not be such a great idea...)
Did we? I mean, they're apparently willing to go to war against us solely for not choosing to marry their princesses, so I don't think we did.
 
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Oh goodness no I'm seeing people advocating for getting into the badlands. Guys, that's a bad idea. The whole place is a mess and it would be a bad idea to involve ourselves in it. Let's just leave it be. There's no need to get greedy.


Did we? I mean, they're apparently willing to go to war against us solely for not choosing to marry their princesses, so I don't think we did.
I think you are confusing the badlands and the lowlands.

The badlands are in the southern tip of our territory and butt up against our newest allies the HK. They are far less threatened than they were.

Well. Unless it simply opens up our border along a wider stretch, and we lose the ability to funnel refugees through a single settlement and quarantine at all.
That doesn't really make much sense to me, can you explain your thinking?
 
[X] Take Attrikwyn's advice (+2 Diplomacy, secures enduring alliance with Highlands Kingdom, ensures no attacks from nomads for at least next turn)
[X] Remind people along trade routes that the People don't suffer the blue plague (-1 Stability, chance of further loss, +4-5 Econ)

Going for this because making the ruling family established by a woman will do wonders for making it so that women can rule after all in Magwyna's opinion the way to showing women can rule is to have unremarkable female rulers

sadly, through using your daughters as disposable tools to gain political power.
 
That doesn't really make much sense to me, can you explain your thinking?
I'm pretty sure it's entirely possible to reach Lower Valleyhome without going through the badlands, it's just a shitty, awful journey.

That we've got a settlement in the Badlands will draw many refugees that way, but some of them will still take the old path to Lower Valleyhome.
 
I think you are confusing the badlands and the lowlands.

The badlands are in the southern tip of our territory and butt up against our newest allies the HK. They are far less threatened than they were.
Meant lowlands. Wrote badlands by mistake.

I'm unsure if we should build a settlement in the badlands if we're planning to build a dam at Lower Valleyhome. It's meant to spill into the badlands if it collapses.
 
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I'm pretty sure it's entirely possible to reach Lower Valleyhome without going through the badlands, it's just a shitty, awful journey.

That we've got a settlement in the Badlands will draw many refugees that way, but some of them will still take the old path to Lower Valleyhome.
I'm pretty sure the path to Lower Valleyhome is through the Badlands actually...we hear about how many did in that path half of the time we take refugees. Heck, I'm pretty sure Lower Valleyhome was formed around the refugees from the breakup of the Lowlanders way back when, that we integrated by teaching them farming and stuff. They specifically came through the Badlands too
 
I'm pretty sure it's entirely possible to reach Lower Valleyhome without going through the badlands, it's just a shitty, awful journey.

That we've got a settlement in the Badlands will draw many refugees that way, but some of them will still take the old path to Lower Valleyhome.
The badlands route IS the shitty awful journey that everyone takes. remember Noxivah?
 
Meant lowlands. Wrote badlands by mistake.

I'm unsure if we should build a settlement in the badlands if we're planning to build a dam at Lower Valleyhome. It's meant to spill into the badlands if it collapses.
It is a terrible idea to go into the Lowlands for nearly all action matrices.

However, by picking the Badlands we have a defensive strong point to base off of. And with the East Hills we have to be a bit more conscious of the Lowlands going forward.

For the Badlands being swept away that is a definite problem, partly mitigated by the fact that they settlement would be built near their southern beginning. The flood would be dampened. It'd still be catastrophic but I think survivable.

We gotta be cautious of where we put the thing. If we could wrangle the Dam location at the end of the badlands that the HK took out of them that would be spectacular.

*sigh*

Probably not possible though.
 
It is a terrible idea to go into the Lowlands for nearly all action matrices.

However, by picking the Badlands we have a defensive strong point to base off of. And with the East Hills we have to be a bit more conscious of the Lowlands going forward.

For the Badlands being swept away that is a definite problem, partly mitigated by the fact that they settlement would be built near their southern beginning. The flood would be dampened. It'd still be catastrophic but I think survivable.

We gotta be cautious of where we put the thing. If we could wrangle the Dam location at the end of the badlands that the HK took out of them that would be spectacular.

*sigh*

Probably not possible though.
Hmm...I wonder if a salt gift from magwyna with her heroic Diplo and marriage ties could get some borders shifted without having to war the hk...would probably take a crit, if it were even possible, but...something to ask @Academia Nut ?
 
Hmm...I wonder if a salt gift from magwyna with her heroic Diplo and marriage ties could get some borders shifted without having to war the hk...would probably take a crit, if it were even possible, but...something to ask @Academia Nut ?
*helpless shrug*

I do have a question for you and the thread in general.

Another thing I've been contemplating recently is about our overflowing stats:

Based on the +2 Art we are getting from Mysticism I think our red max is 12 in that stat. I think the same applies to Art.
So we will be sitting at, at least two red stats with Econ possibly also being in the yellow. And if Mysticism is going to keep overflowing into Art then me and bluefur87 think that Art overflow will go into Prestige.

I feel very strongly that there is going to be some kind of Stat Overflow Event. Thoughts as to it's nature?
 
*helpless shrug*

I do have a question for you and the thread in general.

Another thing I've been contemplating recently is about our overflowing stats:

Based on the +2 Art we are getting from Mysticism I think our red max is 12 in that stat. I think the same applies to Art.
So we will be sitting at, at least two red stats with Econ possibly also being in the yellow. And if Mysticism is going to keep overflowing into Art then me and bluefur87 think that Art overflow will go into Prestige.

I feel very strongly that there is going to be some kind of Stat Overflow Event. Thoughts as to it's nature?
Artisans start agitating for more respect?
 
*helpless shrug*

I do have a question for you and the thread in general.

Another thing I've been contemplating recently is about our overflowing stats:

Based on the +2 Art we are getting from Mysticism I think our red max is 12 in that stat. I think the same applies to Art.
So we will be sitting at, at least two red stats with Econ possibly also being in the yellow. And if Mysticism is going to keep overflowing into Art then me and bluefur87 think that Art overflow will go into Prestige.

I feel very strongly that there is going to be some kind of Stat Overflow Event. Thoughts as to it's nature?

Hopefully we'll generate a philosopher class, who do nothing but philosophize.

As far as I can tell, philosophy only began in the Iron age.
 
However, by picking the Badlands we have a defensive strong point to base off of.
I'd argue that leaving the badlands empty is a better defensive measure, as it means that any invaders would have to go through the entire badlands without a stopping point.

We gotta be cautious of where we put the thing. If we could wrangle the Dam location at the end of the badlands that the HK took out of them that would be spectacular.

*sigh*

Probably not possible though.
AN outright said that it's not possible. It was once possible, but we missed the opportunity to do it a long time ago.
 
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