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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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[X] Lore Update

We need more time to cook up a plan but imma throw one out for now

[X] Action Plan: Breakdown Breakdown
Word Count: ~250
  • Itachi
    • What was the purpose of the Nagi Island ritual?
    • In Itachi's opinion, would Akatsuki take that route a second time or pursue a more formalized AMITY-like system?
  • Tsunade
    • After Akatsuki leaves, assemble necromancy cabal to fill in Tsunade.
    • For the past few years, Hazou and Kagome have steadily been working towards resurrecting Jiraiya and other useful Leaf ninja.
    • Speaking as a prodigious sealmaster, Sasori will succeed at opening the Rift. Leaf's last holdout advantage (Minato seals) was just claimed by Akatsuki. The only way they could fail to retrieve Pain now is failure to navigate the Pure Lands or if they're stopped first.
    • Any method Hazou could use to sabotage their research would reveal that it was him and make Leaf a target again in retribution. Even if we reach Pain first and kill him or something, Akatsuki will know it was us.
    • Hazou's not deceptive enough to trick them with bad leads either.
    • Possible futures:
      • We do nothing, Pain returns, brain a bit more scrambled than before, and we have to hope he doesn't pull any more crazy rituals.
      • Hazou helps Akatsuki open the Rift and persuades Pain to not do anything crazy via life debt.
      • Hazou and Kagome (and Orochimaru?) open the rift first and find Pain first, then... somehow prevent him from doing anything crazy without inviting Akatsuki retribution.
      • Shut the rift, abandon hope of resurrecting anyone, then Leaf is destroyed in retribution.
      • Figure out a way to kill all of them at once.
 
Velorien said:
Voting ends on Later today at 8:00 PM
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Uhm, why is a question about the direction and character of the whole rest of the Quest being rushed? Six hours might not even be enough for all the regulars to get around reading the story, let alone discussing the merits of what might or might not be a fast track to game over.

We are talking about aligning with Akatsuki, lighthousing, switching out all regular characters other than Hazō, including the characters that we have sheets for, breaking up with Ino, working to change the whole setting into whatever Nagato wants it to be, potentially giving up on the dream of resurrecting Jiraiya and who knows what else. This isn't about what's smart or what's feasible. This is about what we want to read and what you want to write, for the rest of the Quest.
Even if we go with him and then Armageddon Initiative the whole of Akatsuki, that's still a very different story for the rest of it. This is almost as big as a vote to have Hazō sacrifice himself and switching to a new character. Not quite, but almost.
 
Rafin said:
Uhm, why is a question about the direction and character of the whole rest of the Quest being rushed? Six hours might not even be enough for all the regulars to get around reading the story, let alone discussing the merits of what might or might not be a fast track to game over.

We are talking about aligning with Akatsuki, lighthousing, switching out all regular characters other than Hazō, including the characters that we have sheets for, breaking up with Ino, working to change the whole setting into whatever Nagato wants it to be, potentially giving up on the dream of resurrecting Jiraiya and who knows what else. This isn't about what's smart or what's feasible. This is about what we want to read and what you want to write, for the rest of the Quest.
Even if we go with him and then Armageddon Initiative the whole of Akatsuki, that's still a very different story for the rest of it. This is almost as big as a vote to have Hazō sacrifice himself and switching to a new character. Not quite, but almost.
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I was estimating the odds of the players voting for a Lore Update, as opposed to trying to solve this problem now or asking for an extension, at approximately 1.
 
That makes very much sense. Also, it's 18 hours, not 6. Still very little, bit not quite as extra extreme as I thought.
 
Twinnstars said:
"Okay I want to accept but the thing is, Sasori is going to be my assistant. I'm a-okay telling him that in person, if you want to see my personal brand of insanity pointed at someone else. Also, Jiraiya and Pain walk out of the portal hand in hand. I truly believe that's the only way to build a stable future.

Logic could sway me on that point, if you care to present it"
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If that makes it into a winning plan that I get to write, in exactly those words, I will put a 10 XP bonus on the update. The plan doesn't need to include the quote, it can simply say "collect the 10XP bounty" and link to this post.


(EDIT: Note that I'm not saying this is a good idea. Nor am I saying that it won't have negative consequences, perhaps extreme ones. I'm simply saying it would be epically fun to write.)

Velorien said:
ITACHI: [wordlessly presents Jiraiya/Nagato doujinshi Deidara drew as "art"]

HAZŌ: I stand corrected. Also, neither Jiraiya nor Pain must ever see that thing.
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Damnit, I can't give XP to another QM!
 
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_The_Bomb said:
@eaglejarl @Velorien @Paperclipped
If Hazō attempted to immediately self-terminate would Itachi be standing close enough to stop him in time?
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Shadow Clone will kill you if you try to make too many of them, and it's a Standard action. If Itachi and Hazō are in the same zone an Itachi has been running a Block such as "I will use <skill> to interrupt anyone who starts casting a jutsu" or "...to stop Hazō from doing anything other than move or speak" then he could stop Hazō. If not, not.

faflec said:
Ho boy. Pangolin and Condor do not have borders with Shark/the ocean, unless the current map is incorrect. And I have no idea if Kisame desires contact with the enslaved Condors or the Wings of Freedom.
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Note that the demand wasn't that everyone have coastal borders, it was simply that everyone set up an embassy. The Pangolins could negotiate for a small plot of land in Toad / Turtle / insert clan that is willing to have those genocidal bastards on their ground.
 
eaglejarl said:
If that makes it into a winning plan that I get to write, in exactly those words, I will put a 10 XP bonus on the update. The plan doesn't need to include the quote, it can simply say "collect the 10XP bounty" and link to this post.
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We have to keep unsettling Itachi somehow. He was downright calm this update. Composed even.
 
yesss. i plan to vote for plans that join akatsuki.

faflec said:
That being said, it's going to be impossible to justify (for me) doing this, simply because of the Dragonwar. Hazou is one of 3 sealmasters who can repair the Great Seal, he needs to visit the Great Seal to do this, and he absolutely needs to be in Arachnid (Kagome's) territory to do so. Kagome, who also leaks OPSEC like a sieve, though not as much as Hazou. Kagome, who Itachi does not care about. Kagome, who will be quietly silenced if Hazou agrees but also explains the need to fix the Great Seal.

I do not wish to sacrifice Kagome on the alter of joining Akatsuki.
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kisame presumably knows about the dragon war. we can probably convince them to let hazou continue. if not, we might able to convince them to let us leave a chime and storage seal example for oro. why would akatsuki kill kagome? so sasori can get to great seal? kagome can just ask spider queen to break his summoning connection, and we give scroll to sasori.

Noumero said:
but their utopia looks like some weird esoteric extreme from our point of view.
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when have they stated what their utopia would be?

why are people trying to erase notes on moving the rift? in case it angers akatsuki that we tried to do so?
 
PSA: Voting is extended until .

I'm at a renn faire most of the day tomorrow and then having family time Sunday morning.

The plan will need to be quite short. Please keep to one scene, two short ones at the most.
 
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eaglejarl said:
PSA: Voting is extended until 1pm on Sunday.

I'm at a renn faire most of the day tomorrow and then having family time Sunday morning.

The plan will need to be quite short. Please keep to one scene, two short ones at the most.
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[X] Action Plan: Fun For The Whole Family
Claim the 10 XP Bounty
Inform Tsunade and our loved ones about this and get their input. Don't suggest anything specific, just see what they have to say.
 
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i hope resurrecting pain doesn't cause a chain of events of resurrecting madara and then summoning the rabbit goddess. but on the whole i still think resurrecting pain is worth it.
 
faflec said:
Why are we talking to Tsunade without giving an answer to Itachi first? There's no way in hell he's going to just let us talk to anyone else, at least FMPOV.

@eaglejarl @Velorien @Paperclipped Does Hazou expect Itachi to let him talk to anyone before giving a final answer?
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He doesn't. It would mean Hazō probably spilling the beans on necromancy to half of Leaf, and also losing the choice because no loyal Leaf ninja is going to let him go off to do research for a faction that just killed their Hokage and then demanded to be paid for it.
 
Hmm maybe we should stick to a simple "yes or no" then

Or just make this next update "what was the ritual and will Akatsuki try another one" and then make the one after that the actual decision
 
Noumero said:
In the field of AI Alignment, there's a concept called edge instantiation. Roughly, given two agents with preferences and values that are very similar, but are not exactly right, it's highly likely that the absolute best outcome for one of the agents — their utopia, their perfect world — looks like a horrifying hellscape to the other.
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glancing at the page it feels mathy. so i question it's relevance to pain, who is a human and therefore we can make some prediction bounds on his utopia. unlike weird AI.
 
We also need to be prepared for our resident ax-mistress to be publicly confirmed as a Jaishanist, and what that'll do to the Goketsu reputation.
 
JustForThis said:
We also need to be prepared for our resident ax-mistress to be publicly confirmed as a Jaishanist, and what that'll do to the Goketsu reputation.
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That's someone else's problem if we go with the Akatsuki.

Velorien said:
He doesn't. It would mean Hazō probably spilling the beans on necromancy to half of Leaf, and also losing the choice because no loyal Leaf ninja is going to let him go off to do research for a faction that just killed their Hokage and then demanded to be paid for it.
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Itachi very helpfully didn't bring Hazo with him while he was ransacking Goketsu sealing notes. Still, if we need a yes or no... eh, I've discussed what I felt like discussing on Discord, I'll throw my hat in with a reasonable action plan.
 
Velorien said:
He doesn't. It would mean Hazō probably spilling the beans on necromancy to half of Leaf, and also losing the choice because no loyal Leaf ninja is going to let him go off to do research for a faction that just killed their Hokage and then demanded to be paid for it.
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In that case I think we should decline his offer. I don't want to throw ourselves into Akatsuki's clutches without optimizing with Ami to get some assurances, nor do I want to commit treason. Although I do think it may be possible to convince Naruto to let us collaborate with Sasori on Dragonwar stuff, if not necromancy.
 
CommunismWillWin said:
It's quite concerning that the most reasonable seeming living S-ranker we know is someone who killed everyone in his family except his little brother.
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I think it's worth considering that Itachi was probably trying to seem more reasonable to persuade Hazou to help. The last time we saw him he was going to kill our entire group for no reason. Idc how reasonable seeming he is now, let's not forget who these people fundamentally are and what we're signing on for. Like, I'm not gonna delude myself on what an Oro apprenticeship would entail and I'm not gonna delude myself on what joining the mass murder gang will likely entail.
 
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