Everyone has these deep and insightful thoughts about immortality, and I'm over here like... that sounds exhausting. The "eternal physical prime" sounds nice enough (though I suspect it'll become more appealing as I grow older), but an eternity of life? Sounds... Tiresome.
 
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Everyone has these deep and insightful thoughts about immortality, and I'm over here like... that sounds exhausting. The "eternal physical prime" sounds nice enough, but an eternity of life? Sounds... Tiresome.

The idea is more that you get to choose when to die, or just nap for like 10,000 years or whatever. There's no time limit besides the one you give yourself. Your biological clock doesn't run out, so-to-speak.
 
Hey @eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail

Do Mari and Kagome still get exp and level up their stats in the background, or does everybody we don't have stats for sorta stay static until it's time to update their statline?

Also why don't we know their statline? Hazou definitely has sparred with Kagome before, so shouldn't we at the very least know Kagome's taijutsu stat? Or atleast it's aproximate level?
 
Hey @eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail

Do Mari and Kagome still get exp and level up their stats in the background, or does everybody we don't have stats for sorta stay static until it's time to update their statline?
In theory it's the former but in practice it's the latter because spoons.

Also why don't we know their statline? Hazou definitely has sparred with Kagome before, so shouldn't we at the very least know Kagome's taijutsu stat? Or atleast it's aproximate level?
You weren't supposed to know *anyone's* stat line aside from Hazō's. The only reason that we gave the players access to Noburi, Keiko, and Akane was because they needed to be updated regularly and we didn't have the energy to figure out sensible builds that would keep them competitive. We drew the line at handing over the grownups because their numbers weren't as important to the story.

Hazō can reliably beat Kagome at raw taijutsu.
 
You weren't supposed to know *anyone's* stat line aside from Hazō's. The only reason that we gave the players access to Noburi, Keiko, and Akane was because they needed to be updated regularly and we didn't have the energy to figure out sensible builds that would keep them competitive. We drew the line at handing over the grownups because their numbers weren't as important to the story.
Huh, I remember the explanation being that Noburi/Keiko/Akane let Hazou direct their training, and so we know everything about their build as a consequence. But maybe that's just the IC interpretation of that.
 
HAZOU: "Noburi, get Water Dragon Bullet up to level 50"
NOBURI: "What's a level?"
HAZOU: "Oh, you can't see the numbers?"

Maybe the stats are just Hazou's way of quantifying skill in-universe lol
 
HAZOU: "Noburi, get Water Dragon Bullet up to level 50"
NOBURI: "What's a level?"
HAZOU: "Oh, you can't see the numbers?"

Maybe the stats are just Hazou's way of quantifying skill in-universe lol

TEAM UPLIFT: *eyes Hazou's obsession with lists, research, experimentation, and quantification*

TEAM UPLIFT (in unison): "Yup, time for another intervention."
 
Speaking of which, did "our" talk with Kabuto quite a long time ago about quantifying chakra just get forgotten? If so, I think that would be a nice thing to start up again.
 
Speaking of which, did "our" talk with Kabuto quite a long time ago about quantifying chakra just get forgotten? If so, I think that would be a nice thing to start up again.
You did not pursue it, no.
Huh, I remember the explanation being that Noburi/Keiko/Akane let Hazou direct their training, and so we know everything about their build as a consequence. But maybe that's just the IC interpretation of that.
That was the Watsonian explanation, yes.
 
I think quantifying chakra was also something that was like, okay, this clearly can't happen if its as easy as "someone analytically minded is on decent terms with a Wakahisa" , since it currently isn't a thing.
 
So, are we ever going to get around to the whole, "clusterbomb city blocks in glowing glass vapor", thing? There could be some interesting discussions with Deidara about the permanence of art when explosions are followed by instant statues immortalizing the results.

Throw in some zinc and sulfur and they wouldn't stop glowing even after they cooled. Instant glow-in-the-dark museum/parking lot wherever desired. Pompeii ain't got nothing on Gouketsu. We could charge for tickets.


I think quantifying chakra was also something that was like, okay, this clearly can't happen if its as easy as "someone analytically minded is on decent terms with a Wakahisa" , since it currently isn't a thing.

Eh, standardization, much less the notion of a quantified minimum unit of measurement, is a pretty modern notion.
 
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IF the QM's decide that chakra quantification is a feasible thing for Hazou / the Goketsu to come up with, I'm all for implementing that soon. Is the consensus that this would be too "metagamey"?
 
IF the QM's decide that chakra quantification is a feasible thing for Hazou / the Goketsu to come up with, I'm all for implementing that soon. Is the consensus that this would be too "metagamey"?
I would kinda prefer it be left vague in the story, unless it's for specifically researching jutsu and seals. But I'm also not so strongly attached to the idea that I would be upset if the QMs decided to implement a numerical system to chakra.
 
You know it's nice to know that even though Jiraiya was the most badass motherfucker in the world that at heart he was just a basic bitch
The Sannin had dumped in a third of a cup of cream (species of source: unknown and unwanted to know) and seventeen spoons of honey; the spoon had nearly stood up when he stirred it. "Those two words do not belong together."
 
Not to mention, our current economic system is not very good at making sure everyone gets a given good/service. Even right now there's some doubt as to whether a Covid-19 vaccine will be available to everyone once its made, and we're in the middle of a pandemic. It's fully possible (though not guaranteed) that governments would use the free market to determine who gets immortality, and as such many people would not.

The world's not America, and it's disingenuous to think that medicine will forever remain expensive. The most effective medicine(vaccines) in the world are some of the cheapest and most lifesaving.

In any case, the impact of elderly care on world economy is enormous, and set to get more expensive each passing year. It's going to strain the world's healthcare system.
 
Everyone has these deep and insightful thoughts about immortality, and I'm over here like... that sounds exhausting. The "eternal physical prime" sounds nice enough (though I suspect it'll become more appealing as I grow older), but an eternity of life? Sounds... Tiresome.
Nah. Trivial counterexample: YouTube gets more than one hour of fun videos per hour. Likewise humanity collectively creates more amazing books, music, etc. There's always more cool people being born, more stuff to learn, and so on.

(Obviously we're handwaving some physical constraints like heat death. Either we get around that or it isn't literal immortality.)

IF the QM's decide that chakra quantification is a feasible thing for Hazou / the Goketsu to come up with, I'm all for implementing that soon. Is the consensus that this would be too "metagamey"?
He already thought of it and approached Kabuto about it, he simply got blown off with "That sounds impossible but go write up a research proposal and we will talk." @faflec ?
 
You know it's nice to know that even though Jiraiya was the most badass motherfucker in the world that at heart he was just a basic bitch
I tried doing this with honey and coffee once and it turns out the resulting coffee flavored honey mixture you get afterwards tastes horrible.
 
He already thought of it and approached Kabuto about it, he simply got blown off with "That sounds impossible but go write up a research proposal and we will talk." @faflec ?
"I was wondering if there had been any experiments done on quantifying chakra."

Dr Yakushi's eyes narrowed slightly. "Pray elaborate."

Hazō's heart beat a little faster. Dr Yakushi wasn't dismissing the idea the way Jiraiya did virtually everything Hazō ever suggested. Was he... being taken seriously? By a professional?

"I've been thinking how there seems to be a lot of consistency to how much chakra it takes to use a given ninjutsu between people with similar skill and reserves. Suppose that in reality, it always takes the same amount of chakra to achieve the same effect, and that it costs one arbitrary unit of chakra to use the Water Whip Technique. If Noburi can use ten Water Whips before he gets exhausted… actually, Noburi's the worst possible example, but never mind. Anyway, in that case, we can say that his chakra reserves are ten units large. If we then teach him, say, the Water Bullet Technique, and he can use it five times before getting exhausted, then we know it costs two units of chakra. By accumulating a catalogue of ninjutsu costs for common techniques, we can eventually deduce any given ninja's reserve size. We might even be able to monitor how those reserves grow, and develop scientifically-proven optimal training methods."

Hazō could feel himself getting more animated as he recalled more possibilities.

"We could identify the most efficient techniques for a given task and discard the rest, and make sure new techniques we developed were as efficient as possible. We could find patterns between the costs needed to create different effects, and draw conclusions about the fundamental workings of chakra. We could find the exact threshold between ninja and civilian, and see what can be done to cross it."

"Magnificent," Dr Yakushi said. "This is the kind of out-of-the-box thinking that our discipline needs in order to advance. Not merely new objects of study, but new approaches to the structure of scientific study itself. Subjectivity, Gōketsu, is the bane of our work. 'How much chakra does it cost to activate your Bloodline Limit?' 'Oh, a fair bit.' 'How much do these Akimichi pills accelerate your chakra regeneration?' 'Uh, quite a lot?' 'Do you have enough chakra to complete this extremely sensitive experiment?' 'Durr, probably?'"

The gormless idiocy Dr Yakushi put into the answering voices—with remarkable acting skill—convinced Hazō of the strength of his feelings better than any amount of descriptive language.

"To the best of my knowledge, there are no hidden village researchers who have accomplished the task you describe. The difficulties, which I suspect you underestimate, are great, while the rewards are not intuitively obvious to the laypeople on whom we rely for funding. And of course, it takes an exceptional individual to so much as imagine imposing a coherent cognitive structure on the apparent chaos of the physical world, never mind apply the rigor and dedication necessary to force that mental map to accurately correspond to an uncooperative territory."

"If you wish to take on this herculean task, Gōketsu, I will happily support it. Provide me with a research proposal, offer a course of experimentation, and I shall ensure that it reaches the right eyes with my endorsement."

"Thank you, sir!" Hazō exclaimed. "That's great.
 
The world's not America, and it's disingenuous to think that medicine will forever remain expensive. The most effective medicine(vaccines) in the world are some of the cheapest and most lifesaving.

In any case, the impact of elderly care on world economy is enormous, and set to get more expensive each passing year. It's going to strain the world's healthcare system.
True, although there are plenty of countries in the world that are as bad or worse than America. If we just want immortality for European nations, it may work out perfectly. But if we want it to be rolled out equally around the world, I think we need to do some work in countries like America to make sure that it will be equal.

I'm not sure if vaccines are a perfect analogy here, unfortunately. As far as I can tell the reason we work so hard to make sure people in other countries get vaccines is that if they don't get the vaccine they can serve as a reservoir and spread it to our friends/family who couldn't get the vaccine because they're immunocompromised or something, or who the vaccine just didn't create enough of a response in. I don't think this works as well for aging, since I would assume that someone being immortal wouldn't be affected by whether there's mortals around them. Aging itself isn't a communicable disease*, it's hereditary.

*Disclaimer here that there's multiple definitions of what aging is and theories of what causes it. Some diseases such as HIV do cause or exacerbate aging symptoms, but there's many other parts to aging that aren't from communicable diseases. I'm working off the assumption that getting rid of the communicable diseases that exacerbate aging would be a separate matter, probably achieved before the rest of immortality. If the immortality pill prevents people from getting HIV or other communicable diseases, then you're absolutely right.

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That actually brings up a way that we can ensure immortality is equal. Make the pill also act as a vaccine for at least one communicable disease. Then it should be distributed just like a vaccine would be.
 
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