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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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Okay: So in the discord we've decided the next step is to go for the Snake scroll; unlike @Oneiros was saying it actually seems very possible for us to get it, because scrolls almost certainly go to a council vote. Thus we need 9 votes.

  1. We have not added Naruto to the Goketsu yet, so should still have 2 personal votes
  2. ^Above
  3. Tsunade can be guilt tripped/paid with the landclearing idea, if she is still in town in a week.
  4. Social engineer/offer back the Nara some of their hours for the ISC
  5. ^
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  7. Tell the hagomoro it's the best way to piss Hiashi off. (Because it probably is.)
  8. Same for the Amori. This one is questionable.
  9. Bribe the Inuzuka by promising to vote for them to get Dog, if they want it.
  10. Have Mari chat up Asuma, he's already got a scroll personally and she's a friend.
Feel free to add suggestions/come up with better ideas. We have a few days to brainstorm, and this is likely to take 2-3 updates to set up and execute.
 
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Byzantine said:
Okay: So in the discord we've decided the next step is to go for the Snake scroll; unlike @Oneiros was saying it actually seems very possible for us to get it, because scrolls almost certainly go to a council vote. Thus we need 9 votes.

  1. We have not added Naruto to the Goketsu yet, so should still have 2 personal votes
  2. ^Above
  3. Tsunade can be guilt tripped/paid with the landclearing idea, if she is still in town in a week.
  4. Social engineer/offer back the Nara some of their hours for the ISC
  5. ^
  6. ^
  7. Tell the hagomoro it's the best way to piss Hiashi off. (Because it probably is.)
  8. Same for the Amori. This one is questionable.
  9. Bribe the Inuzuka by promising to vote for them to get Dog, if they want it.
  10. Have Mari chat up Asuma, he's already got a scroll personally and she's a friend.
Feel free to add suggestions/come up with better ideas. We have a few days to brainstorm, and this is likely to take 2-3 updates to set up and execute.
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The Inuzuka wouldn't want the Dog scroll, it'd be a slap in their face that you even offered.

The Inuzuka hounds are partners of Inu-nin, not something to be replaced. It'd be seen as hella gimmicky and untasteful. Hard no.

"You guys like dogs right? How about if you do what I say I'll get you a shiny related to dogs. K? K."
 
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An important part of operation snake scroll is making sure that Hiashi is out of spoons at the critical moment. To this end, we should arrange for multiple crises to eat his spoon draw. Possibilities include having Neji or Hinata do something humiliating in public, undercutting him on lots of important business partners all at once, and spreading malicious rumors that get allies mad at him (thank you Mari).
 
Twinnstars said:
The Inuzuka wouldn't want the Dog scroll, it'd be a slap in their face that you even offered.

The Inuzuka hounds are partners of Inu-nin, not something to be replaced. It'd be seen as hella gimmicky and untasteful. Hard no.

"You guys like dogs right? How about if you do what I say I'll get you a shiny related to dogs. K? K."
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It's a way to synergize with their talents without risking their partner. But that is something to ask indirectly with care, I agree.

MadScientist said:
An important part of operation snake scroll is making sure that Hiashi is out of spoons at the critical moment. To this end, we should arrange for multiple crises to eat his spoon draw. Possibilities include having Neji or Hinata do something humiliating in public, undercutting him on lots of important business partners all at once, and spreading malicious rumors that get allies mad at him (thank you Mari).
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Have Naruto and Hinata go on a date, if they are up for it. We know they did at least once when they were younger and Hiashi was so pissed as to be unable to properly speak, by Naruto's telling.
 
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Lets secure the Aburame vote for the scroll by giving them "1 ticket for Gouketsu insanity", valid for either making some incredibly difficult scheme happen, or finding a source of some rare material their bugs love etc.

In universe it makes sense because the aburame wouldn't have much use for the scroll themselves, their bugs would likely kill themselves quite often so they'd be amenable to trade.

OOC, it lets the qms give us a plausible/cool plot hook. Kinda like j giving keiko info on the pang scroll.
 
Byzantine said:
Okay: So in the discord we've decided the next step is to go for the Snake scroll; unlike @Oneiros was saying it actually seems very possible for us to get it, because scrolls almost certainly go to a council vote. Thus we need 9 votes.

  1. We have not added Naruto to the Goketsu yet, so should still have 2 personal votes
  2. ^Above
  3. Tsunade can be guilt tripped/paid with the landclearing idea, if she is still in town in a week.
  4. Social engineer/offer back the Nara some of their hours for the ISC
  5. ^
  6. ^
  7. Tell the hagomoro it's the best way to piss Hiashi off. (Because it probably is.)
  8. Same for the Amori. This one is questionable.
  9. Bribe the Inuzuka by promising to vote for them to get Dog, if they want it.
  10. Have Mari chat up Asuma, he's already got a scroll personally and she's a friend.
Feel free to add suggestions/come up with better ideas. We have a few days to brainstorm, and this is likely to take 2-3 updates to set up and execute.
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The following may be a problem with this plan:

For Naruto to get a vote he needs a Regent. To get a Regent, he needs to adopt one. To adopt one he needs to sign a legal document. He is too young for legal majority, so he cannot sign.

"What?! Hiashi that is ridiculous!"

"Let's put it to a vote" *internal smirk because external smirking would be indecorous*

Vote is lost because Naruto cannot vote in it.
 
KaGoGoGadgetMe said:
Vote is lost because Naruto cannot vote in it.
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While I do not think that we have any hope of getting the scroll through a vote (why would anyone but our staunchest allies shunt an enormously valuable summoning scroll to a clan that already has two), I do think we would win a vote that lets Naruto out of this predicament. The clan council can't impeach the Hokage. It can't even officially overrule him. And the only reason people were okay with the idea of snubbing Naruto was because they wanted Hiashi to win right there. Ousting him from the council for the next couple of months would not be in anyone's interest, because this time it would be a direct political attack on him, the jinchuriki, for very little long term gain. Even Hiashi would look petty enforcing that.

tl;dr ~ Hiashi won a vote that was about the strongest Hokage candidate becoming Hokage. He will not win a vote that's purely about telling Naruto to go screw himself till his next birthday.


In general, several people seem to be acting as if all the people who voted for Asuma are now in our own political party while everyone who voted for Hiashi are now our political opponents. That is not even remotely the case.
 
Byzantine said:
Okay: So in the discord we've decided the next step is to go for the Snake scroll; unlike @Oneiros was saying it actually seems very possible for us to get it, because scrolls almost certainly go to a council vote. Thus we need 9 votes.

  1. We have not added Naruto to the Goketsu yet, so should still have 2 personal votes
  2. ^Above
  3. Tsunade can be guilt tripped/paid with the landclearing idea, if she is still in town in a week.
  4. Social engineer/offer back the Nara some of their hours for the ISC
  5. ^
  6. ^
  7. Tell the hagomoro it's the best way to piss Hiashi off. (Because it probably is.)
  8. Same for the Amori. This one is questionable.
  9. Bribe the Inuzuka by promising to vote for them to get Dog, if they want it.
  10. Have Mari chat up Asuma, he's already got a scroll personally and she's a friend.
Feel free to add suggestions/come up with better ideas. We have a few days to brainstorm, and this is likely to take 2-3 updates to set up and execute.
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A general reminder that the Clan Council's role is advisory. The Hokage doesn't overrule. He chooses to ignore.
 
Have we ever figured out how much the Nara charge for using their printing presses? Say, how much it would cost to print 30,000 copies of one page? (Don't worry, it's for a very altruistic plot!)

@Rihaku? @faflec?
 
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Why wouldn't bargaining with the snakes to only accept a Goketsu as the next snake summoner not still work even with Hiashi as Hokage? That was the idea last time and everyone in thread seemed into it, even Mari IC thought it was ballsy but clever.
 
Shadowwarp said:
Why wouldn't bargaining with the snakes to only accept a Goketsu as the next snake summoner not still work even with Hiashi as Hokage? That was the idea last time and everyone in thread seemed into it, even Mari IC thought it was ballsy but clever.
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Not 100% sure this is the consensus, but we haven't gotten it set up yet and Hiashi might just bullrush giving the Snake scroll to one of his allies.
 
Shadowwarp said:
Why wouldn't bargaining with the snakes to only accept a Goketsu as the next snake summoner not still work even with Hiashi as Hokage? That was the idea last time and everyone in thread seemed into it, even Mari IC thought it was ballsy but clever.
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faflec said:
Not 100% sure this is the consensus, but we haven't gotten it set up yet and Hiashi might just bullrush giving the Snake scroll to one of his allies.
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They still have to go through the process of learning the summoning stunt though from a summoner, so we might have some time there.

I note that all the current summoners are mostly Goeketsu aligned. Its possible they have backup elders in certain clans that have the summoning stunt learned, but I'm not sure that would be a commonplace precaution. These things are pretty rare.
 
Noumero said:
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A music to my ears. Can't wait to see what's this about.

faflec said:
Not 100% sure this is the consensus, but we haven't gotten it set up yet and Hiashi might just bullrush giving the Snake scroll to one of his allies.
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We did send the message to Snakes via Keiko's Pangolins Mail Service.

The message asked Snakes to decline any summoner who is not from Gouketsu Clan.

We received no reply from them.

IFF they intended to agree with our conditions it doesn't mater who Hiashi gives the Scroll to, they will just tell them the Noble Snakes Clan is not gonna respond to their summoning. If they didn't agree we're screwed anyways.
 
Does anyone really dislike the upfront cost for learning the Snake scroll? It's 3 months of full time learning that we can't use for international diplomacy, research, diplomancing Tsunade, etc.
 
Kiba said:
Does anyone really dislike the upfront cost for learning the Snake scroll? It's 3 months of full time learning that we can't use for international diplomacy, research, diplomancing Tsunade, etc.
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Agreed. Snake scroll is useful, but the political and time costs of acquiring it (with the risk of useless because Oro alive) are large. I think our time is better spent learning what the Pangolins have been up to, and seeing if we can curb the genocide if it is still going on. Yes we stopped their skywalker supply. They still have the two month shipment we sent them and they may just decide to keep going regardless (or perhaps they are able to trade for it from allied clans with summoners that were able to figure out the skywalkers from the Naga Island planning). With a side of figuring out the political situation of having Hiashi as Kage, and helping the civilians who lost their homes.
 
roobee said:
Agreed. Snake scroll is useful, but the political and time costs of acquiring it (with the risk of useless because Oro alive) are large. I think our time is better spent learning what the Pangolins have been up to, and seeing if we can curb the genocide if it is still going on. Yes we stopped their skywalker supply. They still have the two month shipment we sent them and they may just decide to keep going regardless (or perhaps they are able to trade for it from allied clans with summoners that were able to figure out the skywalkers from the Naga Island planning). With a side of figuring out the political situation of having Hiashi as Kage, and helping the civilians who lost their homes.
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I think we got more important things to worry about than what's the Pangolins are doing. Yes, their genoicide campaign is important, but not so much now compared to WW4 happening.
 
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Kiba said:
Does anyone really dislike the upfront cost for learning the Snake scroll? It's 3 months of full time learning that we can't use for international diplomacy, research, diplomancing Tsunade, etc.
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Uh...yeah!


The 7th path is a tremendous tool. More summoners = more logistical power, and more summoners that are strongly aligned with Hazou means that we have a large amount of control in said Logistics Monopoly, and thus a larger amount of the pie to use for Uplift.

This is besides the fact that more summons = more combat power, and getting access to more Boss Summons means we can squirrel out more of what they know.
 
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