- Location
- London
- Pronouns
- He/Him/They/Them
Well, same idea, different target. What are the chances we could pangolin-penetrate a chuunin proctor, and steal all their tokens while they're bleeding out in the swamp?
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rational rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard open voting
Well, same idea, different target. What are the chances we could pangolin-penetrate a chuunin proctor, and steal all their tokens while they're bleeding out in the swamp?
- Location
- Phoenix, AZ
I'm gonna go with killing is not a good idea. In fact, assaulting proctors is probably not a good idea (regardless of if we can or cannot do so). Our infiltration specced Pangolin *might* be able to steal tokens without being spotted, but we don't really know and I would bet against it. Infiltration isn't really either our or the Pangolin's style. We're more of a "tricksy utility combined with large amounts of force to the face" group. I'd prefer to play to our strengths. That said, If the infiltration specced Pangolin can do this, then we should totally steal the tokens from the proctors
- Location
- Nova Scotia
If Hana had water clones outside of the dome, how did Ren get the seals?
If the token are of the same seal designs or doesn't match recognized tokens, it ain't going to fool the proctors.
Alternative idea. Go around from proctor to proctor and ask for all of their seals before the first 24 hours is up. Remember, you can take as many as you want. Leave one proctor with only a few seals.
Winning by one point is fine, if there's only one point in play.
Winning by one point is fine, if there's only one point in play.
Raxner
The most dangerous man in an empty room
- Location
- Israel
Hmm...if Auntie Mizukage is looking to make Big Momma special envoy to Leaf, maybe it's not in Leaf's interest to steal all the seals from the Mist genin? Perhaps it would be best not to humiliate Mist too badly.
Head canon trumps written canon. Seals can now be carved.
Lunch is served! Grass soup with boiled bits of street kid!
Why? Even if Hazou doesn't know about these from experience, why should Mist assume that Noburi and Keiko told him about them telepathically instead of verbally?
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Dissonance
Luna's Luna
- Location
- Ginnungagap.
- Pronouns
- S/H/T
TBF, they didn't specify what glowing seals, just that a glowing seal was one point.
Not saying we shouldn't make them.
Roadie
A plate full of blins and a cat nearby.
"Return" is an operative word there, though. That would suggest that all the tokens handed in must be the same as the originals (e.g. take them apart, put new seals in), or they must be indistinguishable from the originals for at least a casual inspection (e.g. steal some from the proctors later or make assorted exact copies).
Tua
鸡肉面条汤
- Location
- شوربة الدجاج المعكرونة
So maybe that's too mundane of a solution, but what stops Hazo from tunneling into the market place and just buying the glowing seals? They are apparently known well enough to be used as night lights so there ought to be some for sale. Wouldn't have to be too many in case it breaks the banks but having a couple unlit ones stored away would come in very handy as a trump card or for trading.
Tua
鸡肉面条汤
- Location
- شوربة الدجاج المعكرونة
@OliWhail Could we get some more information about the next exam stage? The rules as stated are very vague and as it stands, it is said nowhere that we even have to enter the the Swamp at all. But before we make plans, it would help to know if that was an intentional omission or if it just didn't make it into the update.
Just to sum up what I took from it:
- Meet back in 48h to return glowing seals for 1 point each
- Proctors in the Swamp have bags with them in marked location (so we are likely getting a map?)
- You may only take them in the lit form. Do we know if we can just turn them off to preserve their longevity? Nobby/Keiko would know, what do they say IC?
- Nobby/Keiko assume the seal only lasts 24h. We don't actually know that so we should assume they could potentially last even less.
- We don't know when the Second Exam starts, did it already start with the proctor's explanation? Did he tell us that it starts an hour or two from now?
- No penalties mentioned for anything. Turning in faked seals, leaving the area or destroying the seals all seem fair game. Abducting a proctor to the Summoning Realm and keeping him there until he hands us his bag full of seals is probably also fine? Technically, we aren't being violent, we are just throwing cute, little Panda at him.
Just to sum up what I took from it:
- Meet back in 48h to return glowing seals for 1 point each
- Proctors in the Swamp have bags with them in marked location (so we are likely getting a map?)
- You may only take them in the lit form. Do we know if we can just turn them off to preserve their longevity? Nobby/Keiko would know, what do they say IC?
- Nobby/Keiko assume the seal only lasts 24h. We don't actually know that so we should assume they could potentially last even less.
- We don't know when the Second Exam starts, did it already start with the proctor's explanation? Did he tell us that it starts an hour or two from now?
- No penalties mentioned for anything. Turning in faked seals, leaving the area or destroying the seals all seem fair game. Abducting a proctor to the Summoning Realm and keeping him there until he hands us his bag full of seals is probably also fine? Technically, we aren't being violent, we are just throwing cute, little Panda at him.
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
Can't be done.
But honestly, we could probably take out chuunin proctors np. The question is whether we could do so without giving away anything salient.
- Location
- Australia
If any of them are on the map in swampy areas they deserve to be drained and all their shit taken.
At which point we Impersonate the Proctor and start draining/sealing all the groups that come asking for GlowSticks.
After 36 hours of that we return, hand out some Glowsticks to any leaf-nin that look like they need it, unseal a bunch of unconscious-nin in a pile and walk on our merry way with a bunch of codewords and equipment to cash-in.
Also whatever plan we go with:
[] Subdue and loot any team that appears to have Goggles/Telescopes.
[] Subdue and loot any team that appears to have interesting seals.
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Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
You can't seal up alive people, I'm afraid. Good idea aside from that.
That said... what do you guys think of pocketing a single seal using Hazou's practiced sleight of hand from his time as a con artist, and burning the rest (because obviously people would be watching)?
I am going to say no to engaging proctors.
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
More than one way of engaging a proctor. Might convince them to leave afterwards, then take their place with Hazou (for his deception).
- Location
- USA
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Noburi is fairly confident that it will be fine.
Noburi can't refill instantly and the available chakra pool isn't infinite. Especially since there are other Wakahisa contestants.
It's mostly criss-crossing that would be an issue.
Yes, MEW bunkers should work.
All three of you are very confident that assaulting a proctor or failing to follow reasonable orders would result in instant DQ from the Exams. To clarify, orders like "tell me your code word" can be ignored, orders like "return to the holding area now" cannot.
EDIT: Note that this is a ninja exam, so cheating is expected. They also tend to phrase things permissively in order to create opportunities that clever competitors can seize on. Hence why you're told "come with me to the holding area" (no wiggle room) but "if we catch you leaving" (wiggle room).
Compare to normal quoted speech:
"I'm talking now," said Noburi. "I'm talking about some boring topic.
"Now I've shifted to a newer, more interesting topic, requiring a paragraph break. Note the absence of closing quote on the former paragraph. It's a stupid grammatical rule that makes eaglejarl bonkers, but it is proper grammar. Adding it would be incorrect."
Respectively:
- Correct.
- No maps. Presumably the "marked locations" will be visible from a distance.
- Correct and no, they cannot be turned off/on.
- Nice catch.
- Yes, it started with his speech.
- The contestants are now being lead in a giant group around the circumference of the swamp. Periodically the proctors will order one team to "go that way" (into the swamp). Leaving the swamp means you fail the event. It is not possible to take anyone other than a Summoner to the Seventh Path. None of those other things were mentioned as being penalized; it might be up to the proctor to determine if it was legit or not. It's unclear if there's a limited number of seals in play.
General information about the swamp:
It's big. Probably ten or eleven miles across and very approximately circular with a couple small lobes coming out for half a mile or so, one on the north side and one on the east.
There's a lot of chakra predators in here, enough to make it a dangerous place for an Academy student. It's laughably adorable compared to the Swamp of Death and all of you are feeling bittersweet pangs of nostalgia.
Sightlines vary from a few feet in the overgrown areas where there are bushes and tall (2.5m / 8') grasses, up to hundreds of yards in the more open areas. There are plenty of small islands that stick up enough not to be too swampy.
There are bugs everywhere.
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Analysis of the stage and ideas on how to win it:
So, if the genins all asked for all the seals, they would all run out, and there would be exactly zero points for everyone. The real test might actually just be surviving the Swamp of Death.
It is possible that for every second you stand activating the seal, you can still be attacked. And even if there is a safe zone, you could be ambushed the moment you come out.
Bribery could work, but it's also possible that they could dock points for trying to cheat so blatantly, and not every proctor is corrupt.
Trying a sleight of hand to steal seals from proctor might get constructed as an assault, especially an unexpected one. Definitely do not recommend.
However, we could definitely buy points by trading seals.
It is possible that getting the seals isn't how you're scored, just that you have something at all, but I think this is unlikely.
So, if the genins all asked for all the seals, they would all run out, and there would be exactly zero points for everyone. The real test might actually just be surviving the Swamp of Death.
It is possible that for every second you stand activating the seal, you can still be attacked. And even if there is a safe zone, you could be ambushed the moment you come out.
Bribery could work, but it's also possible that they could dock points for trying to cheat so blatantly, and not every proctor is corrupt.
Trying a sleight of hand to steal seals from proctor might get constructed as an assault, especially an unexpected one. Definitely do not recommend.
However, we could definitely buy points by trading seals.
It is possible that getting the seals isn't how you're scored, just that you have something at all, but I think this is unlikely.
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Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
I don't mean stealing one from the proctor. I mean asking for all of the tokens they have, taking one of the ones they give you through sleight of hand, and burning the rest. Or, you know, dropping them in water. Whatever works.
- Location
- Yes.
@eaglejarl @OliWhail Is there an upper limit to the number of tokens a proctor can give us? As in, are there a limited number of "points" a team can possibly have?