I don't think that one's going away until we take a shuriken for her.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
I don't think that one's going away until we take a shuriken for her.
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- Yes.
Set up a sparring match gone wrong. Like what happened with Kouta, only this time replace malice with incompetence.
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- The Void
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- She/Her
And might have killed more than 60 people since we would be fighting in a much more crowded area
Jello_Raptor
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- Left of Center
@faflec: you did a good job given the circumstances. The plan was well formed and did the basic job even if it wasn't optimal.
Not to mention, I've got that post about the lesson we should draw from this a few pages ago. We didn't think though our options on moral grounds and instead went for something that passed the normality heuristic. Also radical changes late in the planning process where fewer people have a disproportionate impact on the outcome.
This is why I like parameterized plans. When writing a plan label sections then add multiple voting options for "[ ] plan", "[ ] plan without section Foo". This lets you capture a lot of the variance in possible execution, make necessary minor adjustments, and doesn't warrant radical late changes.
The perfect example was the plan I wrote as we were preparing to leave leaf for this mission. I missed an issue with part of the plan, but despite my not being there near the deadline people just voted for the version of the plan without the problematic portion.
Not to mention, I've got that post about the lesson we should draw from this a few pages ago. We didn't think though our options on moral grounds and instead went for something that passed the normality heuristic. Also radical changes late in the planning process where fewer people have a disproportionate impact on the outcome.
This is why I like parameterized plans. When writing a plan label sections then add multiple voting options for "[ ] plan", "[ ] plan without section Foo". This lets you capture a lot of the variance in possible execution, make necessary minor adjustments, and doesn't warrant radical late changes.
The perfect example was the plan I wrote as we were preparing to leave leaf for this mission. I missed an issue with part of the plan, but despite my not being there near the deadline people just voted for the version of the plan without the problematic portion.
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- Yes.
@eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail
- Who did Minami leave in charge of our group? Hazou? Akane? Noburi?
- Does Hazou expect for us to do more than drop off Goda and the intel with the entrance guards? Are we gonna meet with Jiraiya, resupply...? No down time is understandable but a debrief may have been on the cards.
- Speaking of resupply, did Minami ever tell us to get anything they needed, like food or weapons?
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- The Void
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- She/Her
Well Minami was completely wrong about people being able to identify pangolin summons. They have been missing from the world for 100 of years. Also there's no way that anyone currently knows that leaf has the pangolin summoner
They can later identify Keiko once she became renown.
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- Yes.
Sorry, @eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail followup question:
- Are we instructed to go straight to Leaf or drop the prisoners off with border guards? I assume it's the former but am not 100%.
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- Europe
Telescope are really expensive. We should see if we can pool the team resource to purchase one if available in Konoha.
HoratioVonBecker
Imperfectly Aligned
Yes, he decided. No other path would suffice. It was apparently the question that had broken Orochimaru, and doubtless many other ninja as well. But that didn't mean he wouldn't think hard about how to avoid it in future.
There are two arguments I came up with after I read the chapter: "Would you do the same if it were Leaf civilians?" (Hopefully the answer is yes, because If You're Not Willing To Shell Your Own Position, You're Not Willing To Win.)
And: "Why is knowing that the Pangolin Summoner did this important? Even if they know we used a Wakahisa legendary technique, is a slightly earlier press release about our adoption actually worth the chance to reaffirm Leaf Spares Civilians?"
I suspect a lot of this is that we didn't have control between the bit where Minami said "full lethal" and the assault plan. If we decided that Pangolins being involved was worth killing the sailors over, we absolutely shouldn't have led with them.
Furthermore, I don't understand why Keiko didn't suggest disguising the Pangolins as something else. Even asking Jiraiya for a couple of Hellfire Aura seals would have solved this.
I know that it's sort of unfair to hold the QMs to literally superhuman standards, but this sort of situation is what the Mori bloodline is for. And I don't know if a retcon is in order or not, but I do know that the QMs haven't been putting in enough thought to model it. And I don't know if I'll be able to enjoy this Quest anymore, if I'm not assured that will change.
*sighs, and closes the tab*
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- Yes.
Basically this.
@eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail I very much enjoyed the update, minus the obvious mental suffering it inflicted upon myself. But I signed up for that so it is well deserved.
Noburi and Akane were supposed to skywalk to Leaf with Goda. Add Hazou to that now. Given that it's much faster for them to skywalk than for them to find a border patrol, hand over the prisoners, and have the border patrol go on foot without a Wakahisa to keep them going at ninja speeds, it's gonna be going straight to Leaf - time is of the essence.
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- UK
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- He/Him
If this is true, they won't state so publicly.
400 years to be precise. And yes, Minami does not know this. However, the pangolins having a summoner is not a secret on the Seventh Path, and her allegiance can probably be identified by other summon clans (and thus summoners) via diplomacy/spycraft.
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For what it's worth, I didn't think it was a bad plan. It was a little passive, but I honestly don't see how you could have convinced Minami to save those people, and can't say with confidence that I could have written a better one.
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- The Deep Blue Sea
Akane has command. Hazō expects to drop Goda with ANBU outside Leaf and pick up a weapons and food resupply - debriefing will be happening between Kei and Jiraiya in the Summoning Realm.
Straight to Leaf.
I mean, if you *really* want us to retcon an Awareness bonus versus the boarding party...
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- The Deep Blue Sea
You can always ask for extra info from the Hokage if you feel he isn't forthcoming enough.
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- Yes.
The answer is obviously YES
Also, I thought the Liberator was an Orochimaru operation? Or did I miss something?
@eaglejarl, @Velorien, @OliWhail - what is the time estimate for the group with the prisoners to travel to Leaf? Just wondering if we need to plan for sleep at some point.
So it seems like the plan should include:
1. Commitment to maintain silence (gestures only; or a whisper if absolutely needed) until arrival in Leaf. If the prisoners wake up they don't need to know anything about about who captured them or why until they can be properly interrogated.
2. Anything special to be mentioned to Jiraiya when Hazou reports in. I assume that he will want at least a brief verbal report before sending the team back out. Should definitely remember to pass along that informant's name and his request for sanctuary.
3. Any supplies that we think might be worth grabbing during the brief visit back to Leaf.
Anything else?
Straight to the hokage tower?