The Tower had that well in hand because of its obvious importance to military readiness, but it meant they weren't paying as much attention to the equally important salt shortage, which, if it continued, would make it harder for ordinary people to make it through the winter as the costs of preserved meats from the butcheries would skyrocket.

@RandomOTP I think we could have another avenue to repair Goketsu finances to complement gold and iron extractions. Do you still have any interest in the salt shortage Leaf is facing? I think we largely looked past it after obtaining silk. I figure we could ask Cannai and Kumokugo to setup 7p salterns for us to address this, and that's with the increasing value of salt in mind. The only issue I can see would be collection and transport, which will be time consuming.
 
I figure we could ask Cannai and Kumokugo to setup 7p salterns for us to address this, and that's with the increasing value of salt in mind.
Salt's important enough to animals that we probably need to offer something in return, besides the labor involved.

Salterns are defunct without Akane's Elemental Mastery, and don't produce enough for the desired result... we might be able to whip something up from Noburi's Condense Water jutsu, though?
The Dogs at least have the Solar release. I think they can handle salterns fine, and 7th Path salterns were never going to rely on Akane the non-summoner anyway.
 
While we're discussing projects, I have a couple to pitch.

One:
Gamma ray research chain. Needs a bunch of steps at the start but it should be reliable. The goal is to wind up with a single-target antipersonnel thing good enough to kill an Essie.
  • Tweak HOWS to UV (EJ approved, Hazo's bad reaction was the other direction to infrared)
  • Activate near stuff that'll fluoresce, preferably with a Dog present if possible (Dogs see UV and can confirm it's regular light)
  • Regardless of how strong the confirmation Hazo gets is, it's establishing a pattern of not being regular sealing failures
  • Hazo discovers non-visible spectra (possibly with some checking with cheaty eyeballs if doable) and can develop collimation, shielding, etc with a type of light that won't just murder him
  • Easy route to discover gamma withering flora it gets pointed at and how it can be weaponized
  • Lots of math has been done- yes, demonstrated paper seal capabilities can create enough gamma radiation to make a nearby target reach 80 gray of absorbed radiation (this is the threshold where the US military estimates you lose consciousness near instantly and die quickly afterward, chakra may make ninja more resilient but it should still be helpful). It takes about 100 paper seals at once, which is well below what a rune can produce, so a bunch of paper seals or a rune can do the job.
  • Runes can help with sniping or landmines (landmines are significantly less noticeable)
  • EJ has confirmed that radiation wouldn't provoke a Physique roll after we discussed the biological mechanisms
  • Gamma's subcellular damage shouldn't be something that Hidan's blood-based regen powers can fix
  • It's lightspeed
  • This won't produce radioactive fallout and will only sterilize the area it's pointed out without long-term repercussions- the technique's commonly used IRL to sterilize food and medical equipment
  • Itachi might be able to do something about it if his Sharingan's on AND it works like true precog, or if he got a sufficiently esoteric technique
  • Konan is, according to Oro, a soul magically bound to paper seals so gamma is unlikely to hurt her unless it turns out sterilizing a paper seal messes with the soul binding
  • Deidara should die to it, he's still organic
  • Sasori still needs organic bits in puppets
  • Kisame has no special radiation resistance
There's a couple main things- one, Hazo being unwilling to continue research after the first step would be a major stumbling block and I welcome input about that. Two, accuracy would be needed in the initial blast since if we miss it'll be hard to track an Essie moving at combat speeds. Sniping and landmines both help there.

Two, Iron Nerve experimentation. We don't know why it can't copy jutsu anymore, but one possibility is that it's just because the users lost the ability to see chakra. We have paper seals that make chakra constructs visible. This is useful, but what we want is to see internal chakra molding. Given what seals can do, it seems reasonable to try a rune that makes chakra constructs AND internal chakra molding visible within its range. Paper seals don't give rune veterancy so we can jump straight to the rune and see if it lets Hazo use the Iron Nerve to copy jutsu if he can observe the internal chakra molding. We'd need a test subject who has an earth jutsu unknown to Hazo that they'd be willing to share. Any candidates?


We might not be able to do either of these immediately depending on how things go but they both seem promising enough that I want to remind people of them.
 
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Lots of math has been done- yes, demonstrated paper seal capabilities can create enough gamma radiation to make a nearby target reach 80 gray of absorbed radiation (this is the threshold where the US military estimates you lose consciousness near instantly and die quickly afterward, chakra may make ninja more resilient but it should still be helpful)
I feel like I've done some of this math and I don't recall reaching this conclusion. Runes, yes. Paper seals? Not to my knowledge.
 
To 299? I don't think it's happening without something drastic happening.
Not sure if you saw this. I got your plan to 293. The main cut is that if we are delivering only enough gold to pay Tsunade then we do not need to micromanage what Mari does with the gold.

@Sir Stompy , removing the portions with strikethroughs and adding the bolded portions brought the plan to 293 words. It's your call whether readability was impacted. The real sacrifice was micromanaging the Goketsu remaining in Leaf about (a) who is in charge, and (b) what to do with the gold ore.
 
Not sure if you saw this. I got your plan to 293. The main cut is that if we are delivering only enough gold to pay Tsunade then we do not need to micromanage what Mari does with the gold
I did see it, I plan to try to convert it this evening using your edits, however, multiple people are concerned about clarity, so if I don't think it's going to cut it, I'll leave it above 300.
 
Salterns are defunct without Akane's Elemental Mastery, and don't produce enough for the desired result... we might be able to whip something up from Noburi's Condense Water jutsu, though?
Sorry saw your response, I was looking for the dog that had sun element. Noburi had that as a cantrip right? I wanted to check if Canteloupe's o sun element could be of use.

Salt's important enough to animals that we probably need to offer something in return, besides the labor involved.


The Dogs at least have the Solar release. I think they can handle salterns fine, and 7th Path salterns were never going to rely on Akane the non-summoner anyway.
I actually was thinking of guaging Cantelope's interest, but I forgot that Hazou wasn't confident he'd respond after the incident in Honey. I'm not sure how common sun element, but I think it's worth a try to inquire. I didn't think of incentives, but maybe salt as a preservative for bison and fish is worth a lot more to the Dogs now that war is on the horizon. We could build up a stock for them and they could spend more time being war ready random less on hunting.
 
Salt's important enough to animals that we probably need to offer something in return, besides the labor involved.


The Dogs at least have the Solar release. I think they can handle salterns fine, and 7th Path salterns were never going to rely on Akane the non-summoner anyway.

Sorry saw your response, I was looking for the dog that had sun element. Noburi had that as a cantrip right? I wanted to check if Canteloupe's o sun element could be of use.


I actually was thinking of guaging Cantelope's interest, but I forgot that Hazou wasn't confident he'd respond after the incident in Honey. I'm not sure how common sun element, but I think it's worth a try to inquire. I didn't think of incentives, but maybe salt as a preservative for bison and fish is worth a lot more to the Dogs now that war is on the horizon. We could build up a stock for them and they could spend more time being war ready random less on hunting.
Why bother doing this on the Seventh Path?

Getting summon buy-in is going to be annoying and difficult.

Halite is a mineral, we can affect it directly with ES, all we need to do is go to a salt mine, and then purify some salt.

Congratulations now we have 10 tons of salt. Repeat when we run out.

Takes almost no time and infrastructure comapred to setting up salterns(!) in another dimension(!!) and no workers who don't have a cultural concept of money, and don't answer to human governance.
 
Why bother doing this on the Seventh Path?

Getting summon buy-in is going to be annoying and difficult.

Halite is a mineral, we can affect it directly with ES, all we need to do is go to a salt mine, and then purify some salt.

Congratulations now we have 10 tons of salt. Repeat when we run out.

Takes almost no time and infrastructure comapred to setting up salterns(!) in another dimension(!!) and no workers who don't have a cultural concept of money, and don't answer to human governance.

Since Gaku defaulted to buying a gold mine from our list of options I assumed he and Mari felt the other mines weren't worth the effort of obtaining. Although, it could be that they focused on copper, iron, and gold mines exclusively.
 
Since Gaku defaulted to buying a gold mine from our list of options I assumed he and Mari felt the other mines weren't worth the effort of obtaining. Although, it could be that they focused on copper, iron, and gold mines exclusively.
My recollection is that we specifically asked him for a gold mine.

@eaglejarl @Velorien @Paperclipped

What kind of mines does Fire have? I assume we can't go around purchasing mines in other countries.

Iron (we have one)
Gold (we have one)
Salt(?)
Silver(?)
Tin(?)
Copper(?)

EDIT: Found the chapter, the plan called for unspecified "mines" and Hazou asked his sanity checkers about gold and silver mines.
 
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That one might belong to Hidden Valley/Land of Rivers now:
"Forgive me if I am intrusive," he said, not looking up as he rifled through the papers inside, "but I understand that you are lord of a small fief near the southern end of the Fire/River border? I saw references to it when I was doing research on the tax codes."

Not really important, but I feel sorry for Aito.
 
We should go there and steal all the Iron it has left :p

We collapsed the mine while it was infected with chakra monster worms, realistically Hazou is actually the best to get the iron out of it.

But that means: Talk to Naruto -> Talk to River -> Be present and have Akatsuki show up because Reasons.

edit: I mean it's an AMITY country, we don't want to break the law, now do we?
 
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I think that if we can get someone into the aoe of 100 seals then they are dead regardless of whether those seals produce gamma rays or explosions.
 
@eaglejarl, @Velorien, @Paperclipped


I have a request for clarity, regarding the mechanics of the Minato Seals 1-8.

Now that Hazou-the-character understands the nature of environmental chakra better than he did previously (due to the Toad Sages and Orochimaru). He is also a sealmaster who has researched the seals.

Knowing this, does Hazou-pilot believe that the Minato Seals gather "environmental chakra" --as in, a melting pot of mixed human chakra, nature chakra, and the other 12 types of chakra --or do the Seals gather a specific combination/type of chakra?


Some possible answers to build off of/get the ball rolling:
  • The seals gather just "human" chakra
  • The seals gather just "nature" chakra
  • The seals gather one of/a combination of Elemental chakra types, leaving "human" and "nature" chakra alone.
  • The seals gather a melting pot of the above chakra types from the enviornment
  • The seal chain begins by gathering a melting pot of chakra types from the environment, but progressive seals within the chain filter progressively more types until "nature" chakra is all that is gathered.

This question has importance because it affects our decisions regarding future seal/rune research.

If we want to make a seal or rune that, for instance, forcibly injects nature chakra into someone's coils, or a rune that creates an AoE barrier/filter where only nature chakra exists (thus either preventing chakra regeneration or passively forcing the human body to accept nature chakra into its coils because there is nothing else... similar to how someone homding their breath for long enough will be forced to inhale eventually, even if the room they are in has nothing but mustard gas), then the amount of veterancy we may already have towards that end will need to be accounted for.
 
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This question has importance because it affects our decisions regarding future seal/rune research.

Although, it was pointed out over in Discord that this also has implications for world building, regarding the Tenfold Beast. And since we're learning a seal chain that directly interfaces with Forbidden Lore, this should be something we are able to learn...

Orochimaru implied that the Tenfold Abomination was made of Human Chakra since the Five Forbidden Clans did not manifest any strange, nature-chakra elemental bloodlines.

There is a theory that the Tenfold Abomination was split into Yin and Yang chakra, and then this splits were spread out. The Yin to the Five Forbidden Clan, the Yang to the nine tailed beasts.

What is Minato's bijuu seal doing that gives Naruto so much more control than the others? If Kurama is a massive font of Yang chakra, does Minato's seal gather Yin chakra and feed the resultant Human chakra to Naruto? It would explain why his reserves are seemingly bottomless, and why he isn't corrupted in any way as he's just getting more Human chakra.

This could *maybe* explain why in the chapter in which Naruto is in his mind palace, Kurama isn't a mindless beast. They had some cognition, although there were clear gaps in their though processes. Perhaps the infusion of Yin chakra is making them... Not *regain* their consciousness, but rather build a new one? I imagine some things linger, like the name that Naruto somehow learned without knowing how. Something that carried over with the Human chakra infusions, perhaps.
 
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