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Dragon Ball: After the End

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I've been reading through old posts, because these last few updates got me all hyped up again for obvious reasons.
PoptartProdigy said:
This takes takes as canon the full runs of Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z, and Dragon Ball Super, any movies that contradict none of the above/are sufficiently cool for me not to care (except for the Hirudegarn movie, which is not canon in this continuity), and very carefully selected redeemable concepts from Dragon Ball GT.
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Is the entire run of Super canon? I haven't seen it, but I assume Gohan gets a form fancier than Saiyan God in it given how Dragon Ball works, which would contradict Exile history?

PoptartProdigy said:
"We've been hiding we- never mind. How did you detect us?"

You rub at the back of your head, trying not to look at Betarel. "Well..."

He sighs. "I see. Son, tell your mother you're getting extra suppression lessons this month."

Betarel straightens, snapping out of his shock. "What?! But I-!"
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Is ki suppression lowering your power level to nothing to avoid detection, or hiding an active power level? We (well, mostly I, probably) have been wondering about Ki Stealth as a way to hide our PL even when we're blasting at full power. It would be pretty embarrassing if the skill already existed, though it would raise the question of why SSJ2 is forbidden if you can just suppress your ki signature. In fact, is ki suppression even a real skill, or just an application of Ki control affecting your own power level?
 
Deathbybunnies said:
Is the entire run of Super canon? I haven't seen it, but I assume Gohan gets a form fancier than Saiyan God in it given how Dragon Ball works, which would contradict Exile history?
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Remember, the Exiles didn't actually see what form Gohan took. All they saw was his aura's color, which was a bright divine blue in a similar vein to Super Saiyan Blue.

Weather he did achieve SSJB or somehting else, though...

That's for Poptart and I to know, and you guys to find out. :3
 
Deathbybunnies said:
I've been reading through old posts, because these last few updates got me all hyped up again for obvious reasons.

Is the entire run of Super canon? I haven't seen it, but I assume Gohan gets a form fancier than Saiyan God in it given how Dragon Ball works, which would contradict Exile history?


Is ki suppression lowering your power level to nothing to avoid detection, or hiding an active power level? We (well, mostly I, probably) have been wondering about Ki Stealth as a way to hide our PL even when we're blasting at full power. It would be pretty embarrassing if the skill already existed, though it would raise the question of why SSJ2 is forbidden if you can just suppress your ki signature. In fact, is ki suppression even a real skill, or just an application of Ki control affecting your own power level?
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Presumably because the act of going SSJ2 for the first time causes an engraged state that prevents one from suppressing their ki?
 
Ok, so can someone inform me the specifics of SSJ2?

I get 1 and 3, 4 is GT which I know nothing about.

But 2 I don't really understand.
 
Cariyaga said:
Presumably because the act of going SSJ2 for the first time causes an engraged state that prevents one from suppressing their ki?
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If that's the case, then if we can get a temporary ward set up that will hide a PL that high for a moment, we can safely break the others through by going Spirit Saiyan and KOing them as soon as they do it. Heck, if we think we can risk that tiny fraction of a second between them powering up and us reacting (which will be pretty small, given a PL of ~500 Billion) we don't even need the ward.

The3rdCorinthian said:
Ok, so can someone inform me the specifics of SSJ2?

I get 1 and 3, 4 is GT which I know nothing about.

But 2 I don't really understand.
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2 is literally just between 1 and 3, but has the side effect that breaking into it for the first time makes you lose your shit - you turn into a furious sociopath with a heaping dose of bloodlust, at least until you ride out the first time. I think even on future occasions, you're more aggressive.
 
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The3rdCorinthian said:
Both of those.
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Imma just spoiler this then.

Okay, so SSJ2 is achieved by a Saiyan achieving a 'life-changing realization'. For example, Gohan's was 'violence is sometimes acceptable', Goku's was 'It's fine for me to stay back and let my living friends handle problems', and Vegeta's was 'Kakarot is better then me' under they system we are using.

As for the mental effects... you know drugs that remove mental inhibitions from doing things, right? Take that effect, crank it up as high as it could possibly go, add it to overwhelming anger, and boom, you have the mental state of a newly transformed SSJ2. Someone who is immensely angry and has no inhibitions for doing anything that crosses their mind to the target of their anger.

Hope that helps.
 
Parthu said:
bwahahahaha! That's just adorable!
wait...
goddamn you! I'm trying to hate him with all my being!
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why does the latest tally say I have changed my vote to chibi?

EDIT: Apparently my bro decided to change my vote. Since it was his first vote in a quest, I've decided to keep the vote.
I still want to kill the dragon.
even if those quotes above are adorable...
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That's the glory of approval voting! You can vote to kill the dragon AND vote to chibify the dragon! You don't have to choose!

Cariyaga said:
Presumably because the act of going SSJ2 for the first time causes an engraged state that prevents one from suppressing their ki?
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Or I mean, maybe it wouldn't, for someone with a sufficiently ironclad will, but given that getting it wrong would mean the literal end of the world, why take chances?

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Plus, by now the Exiles have probably forgotten everything they ever knew about the Super-Saiyan Two state except "Too powerful to conceal with known wards," "makes you go batshit crazy," and "OH KAIS NO."
 
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The Fourth Monado said:
Imma just spoiler this then.

Okay, so SSJ2 is achieved by a Saiyan achieving a 'life-changing realization'. For example, Gohan's was 'violence is sometimes acceptable', Goku's was 'It's fine for me to stay back and let my living friends handle problems', and Vegeta's was 'Kakarot is better then me' under they system we are using.

As for the mental effects... you know drugs that remove mental inhibitions from doing things, right? Take that effect, crank it up as high as it could possibly go, add it to overwhelming anger, and boom, you have the mental state of a newly transformed SSJ2. Someone who is immensely angry and has no inhibitions for doing anything that crosses their mind to the target of their anger.

Hope that helps.
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I wonder if Kakaras will be "some people need to die" because when we unseal Jaffur him and Jarron are going to decide what to do with their parents (he won't be exactly happy with Berra either), and either Kakara lets it happen or she ends up opposed to both of them.
 
Simon_Jester said:
That's the glory of approval voting! You can vote to kill the dragon AND vote to chibify the dragon! You don't have to choose!

Or I mean, maybe it wouldn't, for someone with a sufficiently ironclad will, but given that getting it wrong would mean the literal end of the world, why take chances?

EDIT:

Plus, by now the Exiles have probably forgotten everything they ever knew about the Super-Saiyan Two state except "Too powerful to conceal with known wards," "makes you go batshit crazy," and "OH KAIS NO."
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Kakara has something better than SSJ2 in "never-enrage-spirit-saiyan" now anyway.
 
The Spirit Bomb really synergizes well with a social character huh? Watching Kakara channel her greatest ancestor, Mr. Satan, to drum up support for her Spirit Bomb was great.

Edit: Also, was Mr. Satan at the ancestor meet and greet? He better have been.
 
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We should really look into learning Kaio-ken, I know Goku wasn't able to use it as a super saiyan before reaching blue.
But we're a Ki specialist so we may be able to work something out.
 
Thriceboiled said:
The Spirit Bomb really synergizes well with a social character huh? Watching Kakara channel her greatest ancestor, Mr. Satan, to drum up support for her Spirit Bomb was great.

Edit: Also, was Mr. Satan at the ancestor meet and greet? He better have been.
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The3rdCorinthian said:
No,

Poptart hates him with the fire of ten-thousand suns.
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Yes, he was:
PoptartProdigy said:
You gape, staring at face after face out of the history books. Videl, staring down at you with a proud and excited grin. Chi Chi, looking worried as hell but so very joyful. Krillin, smiling at you with an expression that is at once both joyful and melancholy with recognition. Hercule, with a grin so large it looks fit to crack his face in half. By the wall, Tenshinhan, granting you an approving nod as you manage to tear your eyes away from the others and to your surroundings. Yamcha, who favors you with a sly wink.
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He went with his English dub name though.
 
The Fourth Monado said:
Imma just spoiler this then.

Okay, so SSJ2 is achieved by a Saiyan achieving a 'life-changing realization'. For example, Gohan's was 'violence is sometimes acceptable', Goku's was 'It's fine for me to stay back and let my living friends handle problems', and Vegeta's was 'Kakarot is better then me' under they system we are using.

As for the mental effects... you know drugs that remove mental inhibitions from doing things, right? Take that effect, crank it up as high as it could possibly go, add it to overwhelming anger, and boom, you have the mental state of a newly transformed SSJ2. Someone who is immensely angry and has no inhibitions for doing anything that crosses their mind to the target of their anger.
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Hrmm going to spoiler my response to this spoiler.
'life-changing realization' huh, well the first thing that stands out for Kakara is finally learning 'some people need to die'. But I'm sure there are other realizations that could qualify...though I can't think of anything more central to current Kakara then her Batman-like commitment to avoiding death, but there's still time to develop something before we need SSJ2....hopefully.
Cariyaga said:
Kakara has something better than SSJ2 in "never-enrage-spirit-saiyan" now anyway.
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Well for all Spirit Saiyan is a big trump card its really not going to useable in 99% of situations, the charge up time alone prevents that. Also as it requires people backing us to do anything really crazy we can only really use it when almost everyone is on our side anyway, so inter-Exile conflicts arn't gonna come down to us bombing them.
The3rdCorinthian said:
Poptart hates him with the fire of ten-thousand suns.
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True, but he does exist. Both as one of the Ancestors we saw watching the fight, and Jaffur mentions his feat of convincing earth to donate energy to the Spirit Bomb for the Kid Buu fight, so its not like he's being retconed out.
 
Artanis Prime said:
Well for all Spirit Saiyan is a big trump card its really not going to useable in 99% of situations, the charge up time alone prevents that. Also as it requires people backing us to do anything really crazy we can only really use it when almost everyone is on our side anyway, so inter-Exile conflicts arn't gonna come down to us bombing them.
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To my knowledge, having higher PL than someone is a pretty massive advantage and can pretty effectively insta-win because of its effects on time dilation, so in any inter-exile that has a fair number of saiyans on her side it'd provide her immense advantage.
 
Cariyaga said:
To my knowledge, having higher PL than someone is a pretty massive advantage and can pretty effectively insta-win because of its effects on time dilation, so in any inter-exile that has a fair number of saiyans on her side it'd provide her immense advantage.
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Democracy in action.
 
Deathbybunnies said:
Is the entire run of Super canon? I haven't seen it, but I assume Gohan gets a form fancier than Saiyan God in it given how Dragon Ball works, which would contradict Exile history?
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The latest episodes have been making me carefully consider how much of Super's run I should take as canon. As of now, the whole thing is, "...yeeeeeeeeeees." For now. So long as nobody looks too close.
Deathbybunnies said:
Is ki suppression lowering your power level to nothing to avoid detection, or hiding an active power level? We (well, mostly I, probably) have been wondering about Ki Stealth as a way to hide our PL even when we're blasting at full power. It would be pretty embarrassing if the skill already existed, though it would raise the question of why SSJ2 is forbidden if you can just suppress your ki signature. In fact, is ki suppression even a real skill, or just an application of Ki control affecting your own power level?
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It is lowering your power level. You could blast, but it would not be impressive.

However:

First-time SSJs cannot modulate their power level. Not even won't — can't. Even an FPSSJ (if you take a glance at your character sheet's power levels entry) can't suppress below 145 million. There's no reason to suspect that SSJ2's have better control over their ki.
 
PoptartProdigy said:
It is lowering your power level. You could blast, but it would not be impressive.

However:

First-time SSJs cannot modulate their power level. Not even won't — can't. Even an FPSSJ (if you take a glance at your character sheet's power levels entry) can't suppress below 145 million. There's no reason to suspect that SSJ2's have better control over their ki.
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Oh - you're saying that the absolute minimum an SSJ2 can modulate down to without dropping into SSJ is still too high for safety reasons? I guess unless we do try to research Ki Stealth, that's still a no-go then.

Vaguely related note: Would Kakara enjoy researching new things to do with Ki, like Ki Stealth or attempting to mix the PLs of Oozaru and Human/Saiyan enough for it to be even vaguely de-stressing? And would we take any penalties for researching multiple different projects during the same year? In fact, I've forgotten the exact rules on Research actions again - would you mind awfully putting them in the Rules section on the front page, or a threadmark?
 
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Deathbybunnies said:
Oh - you're saying that the absolute minimum an SSJ2 can modulate down to without dropping into SSJ is still too high for safety reasons? I guess unless we do try to research Ki Stealth, that's still a no-go then.

Vaguely related note: Would Kakara enjoy researching new things to do with Ki, like Ki Stealth or attempting to mix the PLs of Oozaru and Human/Saiyan enough for it to be even vaguely de-stressing? And would we take any penalties for researching multiple different projects during the same year? In fact, I've forgotten the exact rules on Research actions again - would you mind awfully putting them in the Rules section on the front page?
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I would say, that more a less all ways to get around power the limit were probed in centuries of Exile. Ki is well explored area, after all. Sure, things were lost, but basic limitations are well known and rooted in pure biology.

To get around it, one need entirely different approach. That is one of the reason sealing Dragon within Kakara was important - Dazarel was able to defeat multiple opponents many times his power level without getting a scratch. And his total Ki output - those blasts exploding from every part of his body, which are then guided... it's not something that can be replicated by exiles.

Simply put?

Dragon abilities are the new avenue we need.

With them, we may potentialy get Kakara to the point where Enemy is not completely unbeatable. Without them? Goku and Gohan tried, and we know how it ended. Without sealing dragon within Kakara, we do not have realistic chance of ever getting past quest ultimate opponent.
 
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