Dragon Ball: After the End
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
[X] Enthusiastically congratulate him on a good match and a cool trick and help him to his feet. Everybody look at the cheerful bubbly Scion. No need to think about what that trick was. Yes. You will lead him out of sight and ask what the fuck that was in private. This is not the place. If any people haven't realized the implications of this yet, you're not helping them do it.
-[X] Telepath dad co-ordinating to keep the crowd from jumping to many unpleasant conclusions and ensure that the family doesn't panic while you figure out tabe.
The Spirit Bomb is fundamentally unlike other special style techniques. In a way that, say, the Kamehameha or even relatively obscure stuff like the Kikoho and Wolf Fang Fist are. It involves doing something that is so different that unless you specifically got advice from someone who already knows it, you'd never recreate it.
Honestly, it's a miracle Instant Transmission wasn't lost the same way, and/or rediscovered. I'm guessing 'rediscovered,' simply because however Goku did it Back In The Day, I am preeetty sure it didn't involve him doing calculus in his head fast.
So if there IS any obscure reference to him having psychic powers distinct from ki powers, it's probably some kind of obscure random source that most people don't trust because none of the other histories confirm it. And frankly, some of the stuff in the Exiles' histories is probably FLAT WRONG, e.g. what I made up about the Attestation of Rakkyo and the Nail Gun.
-[X] Telepath dad co-ordinating to keep the crowd from jumping to many unpleasant conclusions and ensure that the family doesn't panic while you figure out tabe.
Well, the existence of the Spirit Bomb wasn't lost, as I understand it- there is seriously NO WAY that the Exile legends wouldn't include "and then Goku blasted ___ with the Spirit Bomb!" The technique of the Spirit Bomb seems to have been lost more because Goku (and/or Gohan) never taught anyone to do it while they were alive, and nobody had any idea where to begin now that they were dead.
The Spirit Bomb is fundamentally unlike other special style techniques. In a way that, say, the Kamehameha or even relatively obscure stuff like the Kikoho and Wolf Fang Fist are. It involves doing something that is so different that unless you specifically got advice from someone who already knows it, you'd never recreate it.
Honestly, it's a miracle Instant Transmission wasn't lost the same way, and/or rediscovered. I'm guessing 'rediscovered,' simply because however Goku did it Back In The Day, I am preeetty sure it didn't involve him doing calculus in his head fast.
I figure if he's remembered at all, he's remembered as one of several interchangeable figures from when Grandpa Goku was rambling about his boyhood. "Oh yeah, when he was little he fought the Red Ribbon Army. They had generals code-named after the colors of the rainbow. Like General Blue and General White and Captain Purple and Colonel Green, no wait I'm pretty sure that last one's from Star Trek..."Who?
So if there IS any obscure reference to him having psychic powers distinct from ki powers, it's probably some kind of obscure random source that most people don't trust because none of the other histories confirm it. And frankly, some of the stuff in the Exiles' histories is probably FLAT WRONG, e.g. what I made up about the Attestation of Rakkyo and the Nail Gun.
- Location
- Land of Confusion
Hey, there was probably a reason Chichi had Gohan studying all the time! It'd be fucking hilarious if Goku had been a mathematical genius, but was just interested in fighting.
Actually...that'd explain a lot. Talk about idiot savante.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
Chichi had Gohan studying all the time long before anyone knew Instant Transmission, except the aliens who invented it.
- Location
- The Great Beyond
- Pronouns
- He/She/They
Could still be 'your father was clearly talented at math, but refused to apply himself!' as a major motivation point.Chichi had Gohan studying all the time long before anyone knew Instant Transmission, except the aliens who invented it.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
Heh.
The only fundamental issue I have with that (it hits right where I live) is that without formal instruction in higher mathematics, it is impossible to tell who is and is not good at it. Goku might show extraordinary aptitude with basic arithmetic, but if he never had formal schooling in algebra-and-beyond, it would be hard to ever know if he would have been good at it. That includes, obviously, calculus.
Then again, it may well be that nobody ever told Chi-Chi that, and knowing Chi-Chi, making the assumption "your father is good at math but never bothered to learn algebra, THEREFORE YOU WILL EXCEL AT ALL THE MATH OR ELSE!" would be entirely in character for her.
The only fundamental issue I have with that (it hits right where I live) is that without formal instruction in higher mathematics, it is impossible to tell who is and is not good at it. Goku might show extraordinary aptitude with basic arithmetic, but if he never had formal schooling in algebra-and-beyond, it would be hard to ever know if he would have been good at it. That includes, obviously, calculus.
Then again, it may well be that nobody ever told Chi-Chi that, and knowing Chi-Chi, making the assumption "your father is good at math but never bothered to learn algebra, THEREFORE YOU WILL EXCEL AT ALL THE MATH OR ELSE!" would be entirely in character for her.
[X] Ask him to tell you what that was. Best to find out what's happening here before you jump to any conclusions.
- Location
- The Great Beyond
- Pronouns
- He/She/They
Chi-chi was initially, in a word, some combination of a sheltered princess and a country rube, so I'd not be surprised by that.
Conceptualist
Best Mega Sceptile
- Location
- I'm on the internet. Duh.
[X] Enthusiastically congratulate him on a good match and a cool trick and help him to his feet. Everybody look at the cheerful bubbly Scion. No need to think about what that trick was. Yes. You will lead him out of sight and ask what the fuck that was in private. This is not the place. If any people haven't realized the implications of this yet, you're not helping them do it.
- Location
- Somewhere I shouldn't be
[X] Enthusiastically congratulate him on a good match and a cool trick and help him to his feet. Everybody look at the cheerful bubbly Scion. No need to think about what that trick was. Yes. You will lead him out of sight and ask what the fuck that was in private. This is not the place. If any people haven't realized the implications of this yet, you're not helping them do it
-[X] Telepath dad co-ordinating to keep the crowd from jumping to many unpleasant conclusions and ensure that the family doesn't panic while you figure out tabe.
Because I assume (and yes, I know assuming is bad) that we will telepath with Dad enough that if this plan has a downside that we aren't aware of, he can stop it quickly.
-[X] Telepath dad co-ordinating to keep the crowd from jumping to many unpleasant conclusions and ensure that the family doesn't panic while you figure out tabe.
Because I assume (and yes, I know assuming is bad) that we will telepath with Dad enough that if this plan has a downside that we aren't aware of, he can stop it quickly.
Ridiculously Average Guy
I'm you, but stronger
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[X] Enthusiastically congratulate him on a good match and a cool trick and help him to his feet. Everybody look at the cheerful bubbly Scion. No need to think about what that trick was. Yes. You will lead him out of sight and ask what the fuck that was in private. This is not the place. If any people haven't realized the implications of this yet, you're not helping them do it
-[X] Telepath dad co-ordinating to keep the crowd from jumping to many unpleasant conclusions and ensure that the family doesn't panic while you figure out tabe.
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Hmmn, obscuring aura at first, black eyes, hits like a newborn Supersaiyan, speed but no real endurance boost, doesn't wreck you as hard as Kaioken, cut out sharply...
I think he made a shell.
I think he took a big chunk of his Ki, pushed it out of himself, and them compressed it all around him. Then piloted it like powerarmor.
Still 15,000 PL but condensed in such a way that he was, effectively, fighting like he was wearing a skintight suit made out of supersaiyan-tier power.
-[X] Telepath dad co-ordinating to keep the crowd from jumping to many unpleasant conclusions and ensure that the family doesn't panic while you figure out tabe.
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Hmmn, obscuring aura at first, black eyes, hits like a newborn Supersaiyan, speed but no real endurance boost, doesn't wreck you as hard as Kaioken, cut out sharply...
I think he made a shell.
I think he took a big chunk of his Ki, pushed it out of himself, and them compressed it all around him. Then piloted it like powerarmor.
Still 15,000 PL but condensed in such a way that he was, effectively, fighting like he was wearing a skintight suit made out of supersaiyan-tier power.
- Location
- United States
[X] Enthusiastically congratulate him on a good match and a cool trick and help him to his feet. Everybody look at the cheerful bubbly Scion. No need to think about what that trick was. Yes. You will lead him out of sight and ask what the fuck that was in private. This is not the place. If any people haven't realized the implications of this yet, you're not helping them do it.
-[X] Telepath dad co-ordinating to keep the crowd from jumping to many unpleasant conclusions and ensure that the family doesn't panic while you figure out tabe.
-[X] Telepath dad co-ordinating to keep the crowd from jumping to many unpleasant conclusions and ensure that the family doesn't panic while you figure out tabe.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
That's true, but I was thinking more in terms of her basic personality. Would you tell her she had misconceptions about how math works? I'd be a bit nervous about it.
- Location
- The Great Beyond
- Pronouns
- He/She/They
[X] Simon_Jester
[X] Enthusiastically congratulate him on a good match and a cool trick and help him to his feet. Everybody look at the cheerful bubbly Scion. No need to think about what that trick was. Yes. You will lead him out of sight and ask what the fuck that was in private. This is not the place. If any people haven't realized the implications of this yet, you're not helping them do it.
-[X] Telepath dad co-ordinating to keep the crowd from jumping to many unpleasant conclusions and ensure that the family doesn't panic while you figure out tabe.
-[X] Telepath dad co-ordinating to keep the crowd from jumping to many unpleasant conclusions and ensure that the family doesn't panic while you figure out tabe.
- Location
- Actually pretty lost
Should we consider telling the kid via telepathy he needs to look more tired than he is, because he might just have crashed into a political minefield?
- Location
- Europe
[X] Enthusiastically congratulate him on a good match and a cool trick and help him to his feet. Everybody look at the cheerful bubbly Scion. No need to think about what that trick was. Yes. You will lead him out of sight and ask what the fuck that was in private. This is not the place. If any people haven't realized the implications of this yet, you're not helping them do it.
-[X] Telepath dad co-ordinating to keep the crowd from jumping to many unpleasant conclusions and ensure that the family doesn't panic while you figure out tabe.
-[X] Telepath dad co-ordinating to keep the crowd from jumping to many unpleasant conclusions and ensure that the family doesn't panic while you figure out tabe.
New [X] Enthusiastically congratulate him on a good match and a cool trick and help him to his feet. Everybody look at the cheerful bubbly Scion. No need to think about what that trick was. Yes. You will lead him out of sight and ask what the fuck that was in private. This is not the place. If any people haven't realized the implications of this yet, you're not helping them do it.
-[X] Telepath dad co-ordinating to keep the crowd from jumping to many unpleasant conclusions and ensure that the family doesn't panic while you figure out tabe.
-[X] Telepath dad co-ordinating to keep the crowd from jumping to many unpleasant conclusions and ensure that the family doesn't panic while you figure out tabe.
- Location
- Actually pretty lost
So this got kind of skipped over in the discussion:
This is what's currently in our character sheet:
If nothing else, this is a reminder that we'd really like to find a way to train at full power sometime. Maybe we can ask Gohan next time we talk to him if there's a way to visit the afterlife without dying?
This is what's currently in our character sheet:
I thought we "confirmed" this was Golden Oozaru's current cap in Jaffur's head (possible endurance training for a FPGO notwithstanding) by powering up to "full" at the 5% spirit cap. Were we mistaken, or is this just a reference to the endurance training Jaffur thought of? Or is this going to be one of those things where us "knowing" our cap was 1.5 billion made it real as a spirit?
If nothing else, this is a reminder that we'd really like to find a way to train at full power sometime. Maybe we can ask Gohan next time we talk to him if there's a way to visit the afterlife without dying?
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KnightDisciple
Love God. Do Right. Fear No Man.
- Location
- Midwest, USA
[X] Enthusiastically congratulate him on a good match and a cool trick and help him to his feet. Everybody look at the cheerful bubbly Scion. No need to think about what that trick was. Yes. You will lead him out of sight and ask what the fuck that was in private. This is not the place. If any people haven't realized the implications of this yet, you're not helping them do it.
-[X] Telepath dad co-ordinating to keep the crowd from jumping to many unpleasant conclusions and ensure that the family doesn't panic while you figure out tabe.
-[X] Telepath dad co-ordinating to keep the crowd from jumping to many unpleasant conclusions and ensure that the family doesn't panic while you figure out tabe.
- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
It's more that Kakara just realized that she never actually powers up to full anymore.
To clarify: there are times when she's at her cap, but she isn't doing the typical scream-and-lights show to get there unless she's feeling dramatic. For her, powering up is like flicking on a sliding light switch. She wants 1.125 billion, she sets to 1.125 billion. She wants 5% of 1.5 billion, she sets to it. She never powers up to, "everything I've got."
So in one sense, it's occurring to her that there may well be more power in the golden oozaru form and she simply never thought to check. She's relatively sure that isn't the case, but she's never set out to try and discover the truth of the matter. In another, though, Oddball was firing and thus she started jabbering in stream of consciousness.
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
Speaking of Gohan (in the quote there), will we have the opportunity to talk to him again before the dragon?It's more that Kakara just realized that she never actually powers up to full anymore.
To clarify: there are times when she's at her cap, but she isn't doing the typical scream-and-lights show to get there unless she's feeling dramatic. For her, powering up is like flicking on a sliding light switch. She wants 1.125 billion, she sets to 1.125 billion. She wants 5% of 1.5 billion, she sets to it. She never powers up to, "everything I've got."
So in one sense, it's occurring to her that there may well be more power in the golden oozaru form and she simply never thought to check. She's relatively sure that isn't the case, but she's never set out to try and discover the truth of the matter. In another, though, Oddball was firing and thus she started jabbering in stream of consciousness.
- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
- Location
- UK
- Pronouns
- They/Them
[X] Enthusiastically congratulate him on a good match and a cool trick and help him to his feet. Everybody look at the cheerful bubbly Scion. No need to think about what that trick was. Yes. You will lead him out of sight and ask what the fuck that was in private. This is not the place. If any people haven't realized the implications of this yet, you're not helping them do it
-[X] Telepath dad co-ordinating to keep the crowd from jumping to many unpleasant conclusions and ensure that the family doesn't panic while you figure out Tabe.
So it was a pretty delayed comment but I liked how this was handled. Kakara was awesomely mature and controlled considering the awkwardness of the situation but it felt realistic rather than robotic. Your "legally very troublesome" is worrying but I'm hoping we can distract the crowd enough to handle this in private.
Has he technically done anything wrong though? As in, will we come under scrutiny for not immediately condemning his actions?
-[X] Telepath dad co-ordinating to keep the crowd from jumping to many unpleasant conclusions and ensure that the family doesn't panic while you figure out Tabe.
So it was a pretty delayed comment but I liked how this was handled. Kakara was awesomely mature and controlled considering the awkwardness of the situation but it felt realistic rather than robotic. Your "legally very troublesome" is worrying but I'm hoping we can distract the crowd enough to handle this in private.
Has he technically done anything wrong though? As in, will we come under scrutiny for not immediately condemning his actions?
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
Alright, I would very much like to question Gohan when we get the chance to about the nature of this particular dragon. Last time he hinted strongly that he might know something about it -- possibly a weakness, possibly some way to resolve this peacefully, who knows.