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I am more worried about what to tell to the public. Some are bound to realize he fought at too high a level and that it was not kaioken. If left unchecked, some might suspect he went super saiyan at some point and others might want to recreate the technique for themselves when they realize what it means. A willpower push might explain it to some of the most gullible but his PL didn't actually go up which is a proof against it.
What we tell the public will have to depend on how the matter is handled with him. Ideally we could have his technique made public knowledge so all imaginings of wrongdoing shall be cleared.

After we and our people have time to train in it first ;)
 
[X] Enthusiastically congratulate him on a good match and a cool trick and help him to his feet. Everybody look at the cheerful bubbly Scion. No need to think about what that trick was. Yes. You will lead him out of sight and ask what the fuck that was in private. This is not the place. If any people haven't realized the implications of this yet, you're not helping them do it.
-[x] telepathically tell Tab that he would be well advised to look more tired then he is.
 
What we tell the public will have to depend on how the matter is handled with him. Ideally we could have his technique made public knowledge so all imaginings of wrongdoing shall be cleared.

After we and our people have time to train in it first ;)
If it works for super saiyans and if said technique does not have too much potential growth from the place Tabe has reached. It is possible for there to be really high requirements like Jaffur's technique in which case there might not be much of a problem but if there is even a minimum chance of someone with it fighting a FPSS when there is a chance a future Scion is simply not skilled enough to learn it then it becomes too big of a risk. The important thing is for our family to maintain the monopoly of power, otherwise our descendants will have trouble.

Technically, our descendants will be in trouble if we ever defeat the enemy and the need to hide our power levels disappears, come to think about it...
 
Technically, our descendants will be in trouble if we ever defeat the enemy and the need to hide our power levels disappears, come to think about it...
We'll do a government reform then. Governments should only be kept in place as long as they are useful. We will probably be transferring to multi plantetary so we will need different system anyway.
 
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"Assuming temporary powers for the temporary emergency.";)

He has been rather lucky that we keep having outside threats coming to justify his power grabs.
He started the reforms before we knew the aliens are coming. The crisis temporary crisis he is trying to resolve with temporary powers is the power vacuum in Vegetan society caused by the sealing of the Vegetan leadership that he caused.

I aprove.

On another subject, given how proud he is about us being called princess and how much he props up our reputation, I am begining to think that he has been making plans for a unified saiyan society under Gokun rule ever since Dandeer made that comment over the missiles. Somenthing like encouraging Vegetans to acclaim us as Lady once we become lady Gokun since he knows we hate Dandeer and we would likely make moves to oppose her should she try to extend her regency through Jaron's children.
 
The original criss was was caused by him, but later criss force everyone to pull together under him.
 
Technically, everything he's done has been part of his authority from the beginning. But a lot of that authority was stripped away, with only lip service being paid since Lord Oni.

Berra has just managed to claw them back, and in a way that'll last beyond the events that let him do so.
 
When's our current projection for breaking Jaffur out? 2 years from now? I'm kinda loosing track of it with all the other problems we're having.
 
If it works for super saiyans and if said technique does not have too much potential growth from the place Tabe has reached. It is possible for there to be really high requirements like Jaffur's technique in which case there might not be much of a problem but if there is even a minimum chance of someone with it fighting a FPSS when there is a chance a future Scion is simply not skilled enough to learn it then it becomes too big of a risk. The important thing is for our family to maintain the monopoly of power, otherwise our descendants will have trouble.

Technically, our descendants will be in trouble if we ever defeat the enemy and the need to hide our power levels disappears, come to think about it...
I'd say that the current "important thing" is the appearance of the dragon. There's also the enemy, and while I don't expect it to solve our problems, having increased overally power of our people without the increased powerlevel that'll draw their attention should be considered good for our people.

If we want to maintain a monopoly though, we can keep Tabe under heel without offering to marry him... I'm also sure the people can be made to understand that it's a technique that skirts the letter of the law and so shouldn't be pursued.
 
It really depends on how hard the technique is to learn. If the royals learn it then it should just balance out to standard.

Then again if it is hard to learn it should not be that much of a problem either.
 
It really depends on how hard the technique is to learn. If the royals learn it then it should just balance out to standard.

Then again if it is hard to learn it should not be that much of a problem either.

You are missing another important factor - it could be relatively easy to learn, but not offer linear benefits (or otherwise scale with PL). It does the nobility no good if the technique is easy to learn, but doesn't give a significant boost to someone who has already broken the 15 million cap.

The nobles aren't really concerned about one Saiyan having this technique, anyway. They're concerned with a House having multiple members learn this technique, followed quickly by them going rogue and being difficult to put down. One person using this technique isn't much of a challenge for a FPSSJ, but twenty skilled fighters using the technique? They might be able to put down the nobility, especially if they are caught piecemeal.
 
I wonder if the Saiyans will ever have a government respected enough that it continues to be in power even if the leader can't crush all opposition?

Kakara is going to have to manage that, because I don't think she is going to want to kill a super saiyan revolt ever.
 
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So in one sense, it's occurring to her that there may well be more power in the golden oozaru form and she simply never thought to check. She's relatively sure that isn't the case, but she's never set out to try and discover the truth of the matter. In another, though, Oddball was firing and thus she started jabbering in stream of consciousness. ;)
I'm now picturing Wartime Kakara as an adorable benevolent superbeing... with Deadpool-esque talky-fighting-fu.

Alright, I would very much like to question Gohan when we get the chance to about the nature of this particular dragon. Last time he hinted strongly that he might know something about it -- possibly a weakness, possibly some way to resolve this peacefully, who knows.
I, too, would dearly love to know about this. I want Spirit Bomb too, but I do want the information.

So it was a pretty delayed comment but I liked how this was handled. Kakara was awesomely mature and controlled considering the awkwardness of the situation but it felt realistic rather than robotic. Your "legally very troublesome" is worrying but I'm hoping we can distract the crowd enough to handle this in private.

Has he technically done anything wrong though? As in, will we come under scrutiny for not immediately condemning his actions?
He's in a very very gray area. Having super-saiyan level power puts you on the Exiles' equivalent of a terrorist watch list, and actually transforming is punishable by death. On the other hand, other means of fighting hella hard aren't punishable by death, he didn't transform. And the most likely candidate for how the hell he did that is "he duplicated Endivan's trick or something like it," and Endivan is a legendary folk hero, not a legendary criminal.

So we have a lot of freedom to decide how to handle this. There are very good reasons for the royals (i.e. us) to assert our monopoly on that kind of power by forbidding it to others. We have reasons and motives to want to do that.

But at the same time if we want to designate Tabe Stauber as the official captain of House Goku's personal guard and, as most skillful fighter of the saiyan race, champion of the throne in all matters in which We do not see fit to take the field personally... we can do that too.

Nothing's been mentioned as an actual point against doing so, so I suspect it's just people weighting against taking "pointless" actions again, which I will never understand.
I KNOW, RIGHT?

Seriously, there's generally no apparent cost to doing these actions, they provide further fodder for RP and storytelling, they make interesting things happen. Why not do them?

By the way; since I am fairly sure this thing with the PL is Tabe not thinking before he acts again I propose to add a Damn it, Tabe! tag when it happens the third time.
I like Tabe and I approve this message.

I wonder if the Saiyans will ever have a government respected enough that it continues to be in power even if the leader can't crush all opposition?

Kakara is going to have to manage that, because I don't think she is going to want to kill a super saiyan revolt ever.
Good thing she's diplomancer-specced. There may never have been a royal as suitable to the task of reforming the Exile government into something with a firmer basis than "otherwise the King will personally murder you all" as Kakara Goku.
 
I wonder if the Saiyans will ever have a government respected enough that it continues to be in power even if the leader can't crush all opposition?

Good thing she's diplomancer-specced. There may never have been a royal as suitable to the task of reforming the Exile government into something with a firmer basis than "otherwise the King will personally murder you all" as Kakara Goku.

To be fair, I don't think the majority of Saiyans have an issue with the system of government. With a group as...fractious as the Saiyans and where even below-average members can destroy literal planets, a strong executive branch is needed. Given the speed with which things happen, a benevolent dictatorship is actually a very reasonable way for Saiyan society to function, especially when the dictator accepts council from others and actually considers it during non-emergencies.

Sure, many Saiyans aren't fans of Yammar and Vegeta, but even those who think Yammar is a monster (and he is) and Vegeta is personally just as bad (which he is) tend to agree that they were always at least decent leaders for their respective Clans.

In short, Saiyans as a species require strong, decisive individuals who are both capable and empowered to make split-second decisions in crisis situations. Anything less and they could literally all die any day.
 
Good thing she's diplomancer-specced. There may never have been a royal as suitable to the task of reforming the Exile government into something with a firmer basis than "otherwise the King will personally murder you all" as Kakara Goku.
We are going to need to improve our diplomacy further. Any idea how we could go about unlocking an elite talent? Also learning mind delve to the point of being able to read people by just their ki.
 
When's our current projection for breaking Jaffur out? 2 years from now? I'm kinda loosing track of it with all the other problems we're having.

We might be able to do it next year if Sensei can pass on the teachings on how to burn the seal this year.
The plan currently calls to wait for the alien invasion to conclude (next year), once things are settled and Exile society no longer needs to be in, "all eyes forward," mode and everybody -- your father particularly -- is on cooldown from all the the shit going down. Then you vanish Jaron, break the Seal, and confront Berra. So, at the beginning of Year 7, us being in the middle of Year 5 at the moment.

There is, of course, also the one possibility which only Yammar has -- grudgingly -- brought up.

Namely, that your Dad may very well die later this year, during the dragon's attack. You know very little save that it can square off against four golden oozaru on level ground. There may be casualties. If your father dies, all have agreed that there's basically no reason not to break the Seal the day you and Apra (should she survive) finish up the mourning period.

Nobody is really talking about what happens if you die. Generally, you get the impression that they all tacitly agree that Clan Goku -- and, by extension, your whole society -- is screwed. No Scion has ever died before producing their replacement. Ever.

Nobody wants to be on the receiving end of that succession crisis.
 
The plan currently calls to wait for the alien invasion to conclude (next year), once things are settled and Exile society no longer needs to be in, "all eyes forward," mode and everybody -- your father particularly -- is on cooldown from all the the shit going down. Then you vanish Jaron, break the Seal, and confront Berra. So, at the beginning of Year 7, us being in the middle of Year 5 at the moment.

There is, of course, also the one possibility which only Yammar has -- grudgingly -- brought up.

Namely, that your Dad may very well die later this year, during the dragon's attack. You know very little save that it can square off against four golden oozaru on level ground. There may be casualties. If your father dies, all have agreed that there's basically no reason not to break the Seal the day you and Apra (should she survive) finish up the mourning period.

Nobody is really talking about what happens if you die. Generally, you get the impression that they all tacitly agree that Clan Goku -- and, by extension, your whole society -- is screwed. No Scion has ever died before producing their replacement. Ever.

Nobody wants to be on the receiving end of that succession crisis.
And if all four die?
 
Nobody is really talking about what happens if you die. Generally, you get the impression that they all tacitly agree that Clan Goku -- and, by extension, your whole society -- is screwed. No Scion has ever died before producing their replacement. Ever.

Nobody wants to be on the receiving end of that succession crisis.

Is that why Mato gave us ketchup-scented shampoo?

He did always want to be Scion...
 
There is, of course, also the one possibility which only Yammar has -- grudgingly -- brought up.

Namely, that your Dad may very well die later this year, during the dragon's attack. You know very little save that it can square off against four golden oozaru on level ground. There may be casualties. If your father dies, all have agreed that there's basically no reason not to break the Seal the day you and Apra (should she survive) finish up the mourning period.

Nobody is really talking about what happens if you die. Generally, you get the impression that they all tacitly agree that Clan Goku -- and, by extension, your whole society -- is screwed. No Scion has ever died before producing their replacement. Ever.

Nobody wants to be on the receiving end of that succession crisis.
Oh. Fun. So literally all the other Super Saiyans are probably gonna prioritize our survival over their own, it sounds like.

The guilt that will give Kakara if it goes down...
 
Nobody is really talking about what happens if you die. Generally, you get the impression that they all tacitly agree that Clan Goku -- and, by extension, your whole society -- is screwed. No Scion has ever died before producing their replacement. Ever.

Nobody wants to be on the receiving end of that succession crisis.
Well, at least they shouldn't object if we stay back and charge a spirt bomb then.
 
The plan currently calls to wait for the alien invasion to conclude (next year), once things are settled and Exile society no longer needs to be in, "all eyes forward," mode and everybody -- your father particularly -- is on cooldown from all the the shit going down. Then you vanish Jaron, break the Seal, and confront Berra. So, at the beginning of Year 7, us being in the middle of Year 5 at the moment.

There is, of course, also the one possibility which only Yammar has -- grudgingly -- brought up.

Namely, that your Dad may very well die later this year, during the dragon's attack. You know very little save that it can square off against four golden oozaru on level ground. There may be casualties. If your father dies, all have agreed that there's basically no reason not to break the Seal the day you and Apra (should she survive) finish up the mourning period.

Nobody is really talking about what happens if you die. Generally, you get the impression that they all tacitly agree that Clan Goku -- and, by extension, your whole society -- is screwed. No Scion has ever died before producing their replacement. Ever.

Nobody wants to be on the receiving end of that succession crisis.
Actually, wait, there is one case of that:
But his son, Scion Carrick, was not so encumbered. Carrick and Oni had known and hated each other for years, and Carrick did not miss the suspicious timing of the deaths in both Clans, and moved to confront Lord Oni.

It was the last thing he would ever do.

Oni had expected and accounted for Carrick's intervention, and when his long-time rival showed up, Oni struck. Oni's conspirators ambushed Lord Vegeta to keep him tied up, and Oni attacked Carrick to bring the Scion down. The two clashed in a full-power battle outside the confines of the Training Hall, dueling across deserts, mountains, and ocean as Oni strove to bring the battle within sight of populated areas. Carrick focused on trying to keep the battle away from civilization, determined to spite his rival's plans if nothing else. It proved to be his undoing. Oni exploited Carrick's unwillingness to fight all-out and managed to deliver a fatal strike, bringing the Scion of Vegeta to the ground. For a moment, it seemed as though Lord Oni would succeed in his designs. The Scion of Clan Vegeta lay dead before him, and while the fight had been close-fought and exhausting, Oni had time to recuperate while his followers bought time against Lord Vegeta with their lives.
He can't have produced a replacement Scion, because otherwise Carrick would have been Lord.
 
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