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Uh... why?

I mean, you gave us a totally open-ended "you can do anything you want" vote option. Most of the obvious choices involve socializing with people, with a few wild-cards like "have a vision." How is it a sign that the tournament arc needs to end, if people go for things along those lines?

I believe poptart meant the 'literally three voters' thing. Then again, it's been maybe fourteen hours since the update went up with a huge array of vote options. I don't know if eg year plans tend to break three votes in fourteen hours. And that tally has prompted voting.
 
Plus, voting opened at 3:30 in the morning Eastern Standard Time; while not ALL our voters are in the US, enough are that this is a factor. We're likely to see a few more people in the next few hours, I think.
 
[X] Search for a vision.
-[X] Pastsight - the Dragon
-[X] Presentsight - Visit Jiichan

At the start of the year, @Bakkasama had the idea to spend school time researching Garenhulder legends, on the hunch that the Dragon is the thing that killed all the solar systems around us and instilled the human fear of innovation. It's a pretty good hunch, especially considering the title of the year is "Legends". I think we should use our visions to try something similar, get a picture of what the Dragon did in the past so we're better prepared for it. Even if it's not directly connected to Garenhuld, we'll at least gain valuable insight into what this thing is... and we desperately need it.

This idea was also proposed about the legend research:
Honestly? I just want us to use our position and delegate that to others. Have them go through the legends, recruit Garenhulders who study such things along with any Exiles who do so, get the governments of the world in on potentially.

It's not a field we're specialized in, and it's going to be a big field. Don't even know how we should probably manage/direct it. Better to leave it to the professionals, though we probably should bring it up with Berra.
@PoptartProdigy, can we do this? It's not exactly something that requires using an action slot, if we delegate. I think it would be strange if somebody in the Exiles society hadn't made the same connection as the readers, even if it's not Kakara.

Also....
Well, we can't normally scry into the afterlife; Yemma does not allow cutting in line. We can visit Gohan in the afterlife via visions in our sleep, which apparently involves divine-Gohan having some kind of backdoor access. Vegeta might not have bothered to set up such a backdoor, and we certainly have no evidence of it, so at best he'd be harder to contact.

Trying for a presentsight Gohan vision might not work, but we might learn a lot of good things. Gohan might have some things to say about the path we're taking (which is starting to parallel his own in some ways while diverging in others). He might have things to say about how we're doing with Jaffur, which might prove interesting.

And if anything reasonably-readily available to us could give us a bonus to Spirit Bomb research, it would be visiting Jiichan. Because Gohan has seen the Spirit Bomb used repeatedly, and even interacted with its energy once- albeit only as an accidental target practice backstop.

...

Except, as Poptart just said, we're already trying everything we can think of in terms of scrying and Spirit Bomb. Which might be interpreted to mean we're going to be trying "go visit Jiichan" too, and would derive no extra benefit.

It's also possible that we might have to "and nothing else" pretty hard to achieve this. Visiting Gohan in the afterlife is something our spirit does, and I suspect we can't Multiform that while doing something else; we just have to straight-up have Kakara go to sleep (which she rarely does due to Masque shenanigans).
This is also a very good idea. Since we're trying Spirit Bomb, we need everything we can get, and talking to Gohan is something no other SB researcher has had access too. He's both a ki user and a scholar, so he must have ideas about how it works, even if he never learned it himself... hell, maybe he even did eventually, I mean he lived a long life. Furthermore, with us in so dire straights maybe he'll give us some more help... like, say, how to do the Saiyan God Ritual? I'm not sure we'd even want to risk that the Enemy can't sense God ki, but if the Dragon is slaughtering us wholesale and there's no other option, it's a fanatastic last resort to keep in our back pocket. Unlike everything else we can possibly learn to deal with the Dragon, the Ritual doesn't need training or power to use; just know how to do it and Bob's yer uncle.

Even if he doesn't, Gohan is one of the greatest fighters in multiversal history, and quite frankly we need anything he could possibly give us right now. The only question is if we should do "And nothing else" for it to make it succeed more. I really want more intel on the Dragon, and if Poptart approves Exile academics researching legends I'd feel better about abandoning the Pastsight. For now, I guess I'll take both.

Damn, I love this quest.
 
[X] Search for a vision.
-[X] Pastsight - the Dragon
-[X] Presentsight - Visit Jiichan
[X] Head on over and have a chat with...
-[x] Papata Fren
[X] Spend time with your family tonight.

If not for the praise bomb dad just dropped, I would have said to talk to Mato but that wouldn't help his envy. We already went to talk with Fennella... actually, we should probably interact with more saiyan kids our age. Can we go look for some that are just hanging around? Clan heirs if possible, there is still one of the four Gokun political axis clans that we haven't met yet and it is not like we know much about Dillon (that is Fennella's boyfriend's name, right?).
 
[X] Search for a vision.
-[X] Pastsight - the Dragon
-[X] Presentsight - Visit Jiichan
[X] Head on over and have a chat with...
-[x] Papata Fren
[X] Spend time with your family tonight.
...Fuck this is good
[X] Search for a vision.
-[X] Futuresight - Dandeer
...fuck this is better

@Terrabrand

changing vote

[X] Search for a vision.
-[X] Futuresight - Dandeer
[X] Head on over and have a chat with...
-[x] Papata Fren
[X] Spend time with your family tonight.
 
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...Fuck this is good

...fuck this is better

@Terrabrand

changing vote
[X] Search for a vision.
-[X] Pastsight - the Dragon
-[X] Presentsight - Visit Jiichan
-[X] Futuresight - Dandeer
It's approval voting, you don't strictly gave to drop the old to make way for the new.

Also, @PoptartProdigy, correct me if I am mistaken, but we are getting a maximum of one vision, right?
 
Just realized that we can vote for as many as we want and the top three will win, not that we can only vote for three.

[X] Take a break from the tournament grounds and go visit...
-[X] ...Sophie.
-[X] ...Gemma.
-[X] ...Jenny.
Just to round out the Misfits we don't specifically focus on that much.
[X] Head on over and have a chat with...
-[X] ...Papata Fren.
-[X] ...Mom.
Because honestly, I want to see more interaction with her.
[X] Search for a vision.
-[X] Pastsight - Oozaru.
-[X] Pastsight - the Dragon.
-[X] Futuresight - Dandeer.
-[X] Pastsight - Hirudegarn.
Included to get more votes for a "hopefully, finding out how to effectively fight a giant OP enemy" option.
 
[X] Search for a vision.
-[X] Pastsight - the Dragon
-[X] Presentsight - Visit Jiichan
-[X] Futuresight - Dandeer
 
[X] Search for a vision.
-[X] Pastsight - the Dragon
-[X] Presentsight - Visit Jiichan
-[X] Futuresight - Dandeer
Adhoc vote count started by Blonddude42 on Oct 17, 2017 at 8:23 PM, finished with 19237 posts and 12 votes.
 
Question: If sorcerers can sense when a seer uses present sight on them, can a vision of a sorcerer's future sense us using future sight or can they sense future sorcerers using past sight on them?

I mean, if we are going to use future sight on dandeer we should be prepared not to make her paranoid in the future. Also, we might as well try to use past sight to see what happened the night Vegeta was sealed.
 
Uh... why?

I mean, you gave us a totally open-ended "you can do anything you want" vote option. Most of the obvious choices involve socializing with people, with a few wild-cards like "have a vision." How is it a sign that the tournament arc needs to end, if people go for things along those lines?
It was more the, "three votes," thing. They typically pile up a lot quicker that that once the moratorium closes. Nothing like twenty in the first few hours or something similarly absurd (generally), but it was a very slow start. Honestly, what seemed most unusual was the long stretch of USA daytime in which nobody voted, given how large the US demo is in this quest.

Seems I was (happily) mistaken, though. :D
@PoptartProdigy, can we do this? It's not exactly something that requires using an action slot, if we delegate. I think it would be strange if somebody in the Exiles society hadn't made the same connection as the readers, even if it's not Kakara.
Just asking after local legends wouldn't be too intensive. I'll get back to you in an IC month with what people have to say.
It's approval voting, you don't strictly gave to drop the old to make way for the new.

Also, @PoptartProdigy, correct me if I am mistaken, but we are getting a maximum of one vision, right?
You could try for more than one. It would be very low odds at this stage of things, but it's possible.
@PoptartProdigy : Does will power apply to Seer checks? Just want to know if spying on Dandeer gets a bonus.
In that you can initiate willpower checks if sufficiently desperate, yes, but the main stat from which you act is the Seer ability's rank itself.
Question: If sorcerers can sense when a seer uses present sight on them, can a vision of a sorcerer's future sense us using future sight or can they sense future sorcerers using past sight on them?

I mean, if we are going to use future sight on dandeer we should be prepared not to make her paranoid in the future. Also, we might as well try to use past sight to see what happened the night Vegeta was sealed.
You do not know.
 
You could try for more than one. It would be very low odds at this stage of things, but it's possible.

Since this is what Poptart has to say about multiple visions, I'm going to change my vote to...

[X] Search for a vision.
-[X] Presentsight - Visit Jiichan
[X] And nothing else

Want more Dragon intel, but Jiichan can not only probably help us with Spirit Bomb, but also give us the Saiyan God Ritual if we're desperate enough. We've gotta try.
 
Seer seems to follow a different leveling system then styles. How many levels to go?
Yeah, like I said in the Rules Screen, I'm not too happy with how Abilities just wound up as an ad-hoc, "whatever doesn't fit elsewhere," thing, but some things I just wanted working differently for one reason or another.

Seer: Untrained, Novice, Adept, Open-Eyed, Soothsayer, Oracle, [REDACTED].
 
Yeah, like I said in the Rules Screen, I'm not too happy with how Abilities just wound up as an ad-hoc, "whatever doesn't fit elsewhere," thing, but some things I just wanted working differently for one reason or another.

Seer: Untrained, Novice, Adept, Open-Eyed, Soothsayer, Oracle, [REDACTED].
So which one of those lets Kakara be the annoying kind of Seer that already knows how the whole conversation will go before the person even starts to speak?
 
Depends on how she specs starting at Open-Eyed.

Kakara: Morning Dad.
*Kakara hands Berra a stack of papers*
Berra: What are these?
Kakara: Oh, I have something important that needs all my time today, so those are the transcripts of every conversation we would have had today. Consider me informed of anything you were going to tell me.
Berra: ...I just had to father a Seer didn't I?
 
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