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trooperist said:
Kakara: Morning Dad.
*Kakara hands Berra a stack of papers*
Berra: What are these?
Kakara: Oh, I have something important that needs all my time today, so those are the transcripts of every conversation we would have had today. Consider me informed of anything you were going to tell me.
Berra: ...I just had to father a Seer didn't I?
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That would be a fun Omake. Someday the tables will turn and it will be Kakara casually talking about things her Dad thought were secret.
 
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trooperist said:
Kakara: Morning Dad.
*Kakara hands Berra a stack of papers*
Berra: What are these?
Kakara: Oh, I have something important that needs all my time today, so those are the transcripts of every conversation we would have had today. Consider me informed of anything you were going to tell me.
Berra: ...I just had to father a Seer didn't I?
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I want to do this. A character in another quest kept doing it to the PC, so I want to be on the other end of that.
 
fictionfan said:
I would perfer past or present sight. Future sight is never reliable. Also present sight could likely be used to make our own fighting style.
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Maybe I'm mistaken, but I'm fairly sure it's future sight and not present sight that has immediate fight relevancy. Pretty sure that barring, like, long range combat, present sight isn't providing much tactically relevant info that you don't already have, except eg when facing illusions or the like.
 
Terrabrand said:
Maybe I'm mistaken, but I'm fairly sure it's future sight and not present sight that has immediate fight relevancy. Pretty sure that barring, like, long range combat, present sight isn't providing much tactically relevant info that you don't already have, except eg when facing illusions or the like.
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I think present sight covers things that are happening near to the present in addition to the present itself. So it'd cover being able to know what the opponent will be doing up to a dozen or so subjective seconds into the future.

Could be wrong though. I don't remember if Poptart ruled on this.
 
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[I would THINK that these are at least self-consistent. Arguably, no multiform required, at least not from a narrative point of view. During the immediate aftermath of the shooting gallery Kakara seeks out Papata, who might well be pleased as punch to be able to quote Kakara on what just happened in any case. Then the Scion of Goku spends a cozy evening with her family, drifts off into a sleepy trance... and visits Jiichan. :D ]

[X] Search for a vision.
-[X] Presentsight - Visit Jiichan
[X] Head on over and have a chat with...
-[x] Papata Fren
[X] Spend time with your family tonight.
 
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[X] Search for a vision.
-[X] Presentsight - Visit Jiichan
[X] Head on over and have a chat with...
-[x] Papata Fren
[X] Spend time with your family tonight.
 
Blonddude42 said:
I think present sight covers things that are happening near to the present in addition to the present itself. So it'd cover being able to know what the opponent will be doing up to a dozen or so subjective seconds into the future.

Could be wrong though. I don't remember if Poptart ruled on this.
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Well...

PoptartProdigy said:
Seers, the inheritors of the curse Bardock suffered, are an incredibly small demographic among Garenhulders. Incredibly rare to begin with, Seers are often viewed as intensely creepy individuals, and as such many people who suffer the visions prefer to pretend that they don't exist. There are thus fewer than 300 Seers on Garenhuld. Despite this, they hold important roles in the Clans, serving as advisers to the nobility and proclaiming the Scions.

Seers have many abilities, but they are broadly categorized around a nearly-conceptual ability to See the truth of things. Their abilities are divided into three broad categories: Pastsight, Presentsight, and Futuresight. All Seer techniques are incredibly exhausting to perform at any length, and navigating the Sight is supremely confusing -- even Masters of the Craft have extreme difficulty finding the visions they desire.

Pastsight is the ability to gaze into the past. Of all of the dimensions of a Seer's abilities, this is viewed as the most straightforward -- as simple postcognition. The Seer prompts (or is subjected to) a vision, and Sees what occurred in the past. Relatively few Seers have any measure of gift for this dimension of the Sight.

Presentsight is the ability to see things in the present, and is among the most varied of the disciplines of Bardock's Craft. Being a form of Sight that allows Seers to see things as they occur -- and therefore affect them in the present -- it is the subject of intense study. Studies in presentsight lead to some of the more advanced techniques available to Seers: among them ki sight and the ability to See past illusions or deception. These are very advanced techniques, however, taught only to experts in the Craft. In addition, presentsight allows a Seer to conduct Mind Projection -- casting their consciousness out of their body to explore the world directly, allowing them a level of control and precision unknown to other forms of Sight. At its most basic, however, presentsight is simple -- the Seer sees a vision of things happening in the now. A moderate amount of Seers have gifts in this form of the Sight, but it is perhaps the most heavily developed.

Futuresight is the ability to see into the future -- the most traditional form of the Craft. Futuresight is finicky, and a single vision can be hard to effect, but it is a potent tool with sufficient practice. Futuresight, developed properly can even enable a form of subconscious precognition -- instinctive nudges telling a Seer which way to move or what not to do in order to achieve the optimal result on whatever action they're taking. This is a master-class ability. Futuresight in general allows the user to gaze into the future as it presently will occur absent intervention from the Seer. It is difficult to change these visions without extensive and thorough forecasting of the events leading up to a vision and telling the Seer just what they need to do to avoid their observed fate -- an exhausting and difficult task. However, properly developed, this form of the Sight lends Seers the ability to manipulate events over the course of decades or, theoretically, centuries. Most Seers have a gift for this form of Sight.
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Bolded section, in particular, suggests even short term future sight is still future sight and not present.
 
Terrabrand said:
Maybe I'm mistaken, but I'm fairly sure it's future sight and not present sight that has immediate fight relevancy. Pretty sure that barring, like, long range combat, present sight isn't providing much tactically relevant info that you don't already have, except eg when facing illusions or the like.
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Good point. In that case Future sight does have the most fighting style implications.

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  • Past sight to learn from the past and recreate lost techniques.
  • Present sight to find things. Like planets to instant transmission to stuff like the dragon balls.
  • Future sight for warnings and fighting precognition.
 
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[X] Head on over and have a chat with...
-[X] Papata Fren.
[X] Spend time with your family tonight.
[X] invite a few scouts to watch the tornament with you.
[X] Search for a vision.
-[X] Presentsight Far-away ki signature (want to find a planet we can instant transmission to)
 
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[] Search for a vision.
-[] Pastsight - the Dragon
-[] Presentsight - Visit Jiichan
-[] Futuresight - Dandeer

Edit. Oh I got the voting wrong apparently. Well no vote for me then
 
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RideTheWalrus said:
[X] Search for a vision.
-[X] Pastsight - the Dragon
-[X] Presentsight - Visit Jiichan
-[X] Futuresight - Dandeer
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Doing more than one vision is unlikely to work.
Adhoc vote count started by fictionfan on Oct 18, 2017 at 2:45 AM, finished with 19263 posts and 14 votes.
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[X] Search for a vision.
-[X] Futuresight - Dandeer
[X] Head on over and have a chat with...
-[x] Papata Fren
[X] Spend time with your family tonight.

Might as well see what she's up to since all the Saiyans including us are distracted with the tournament so she might use the to mess with our friends like Maya.
 
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Jrin said:
[X] Search for a vision.
-[X] Presentsight - Dandeer
[X] Head on over and have a chat with...
-[x] Papata Fren
[X] Spend time with your family tonight.

Might as well see what she's up to since all the Saiyans including us are distracted with the tournament so she might use the to mess with our friends like Maya.
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Might as well just keep track of her with ki sense. We will know her position so long at it is somewhat public likely not a problem. Present sight is unlikely to be timed just right to see something interesting.
 
[X] Search for a vision.
-[X] Presentsight - Visit Jiichan
[X] Head on over and have a chat with...
-[x] Papata Fren
[X] Spend time with your family tonight.
 
[X] Search for a vision.
-[X] Presentsight - Visit Jiichan
[X] Head on over and have a chat with...
-[x] Papata Fren
[X] Spend time with your family tonight.
 
PoptartProdigy said:
It was more the, "three votes," thing. They typically pile up a lot quicker that that once the moratorium closes. Nothing like twenty in the first few hours or something similarly absurd (generally), but it was a very slow start. Honestly, what seemed most unusual was the long stretch of USA daytime in which nobody voted, given how large the US demo is in this quest.

Seems I was (happily) mistaken, though. :D
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Yeah, I can't speak for others but for me personally if there's an open-ended vote where there aren't clearly superior options, I'll often hang back and wait, or not vote at all. It's not that I'm not enjoying the arc as much,I'm just... happy to go with the flow on this one. It's me treating the quest less as a game, and more as a story.


As for the Seer speccing, I'm more partial to Past and Future. Past lets us see things that happened, and future lets us model plans out. Present seems more "you get to see opportunities as they come up", which is really cool but somewhat mitigated by the fact we're playing Opportunity Cost: The Quest. We already have too many good options (or options we need to take), we don't need more.
 
[X] Search for a vision.
-[X] Presentsight - Visit Jiichan
[X] Head on over and have a chat with...
-[x] Papata Fren
[X] Spend time with your family tonight.
 
RideTheWalrus said:
[] Search for a vision.
-[] Pastsight - the Dragon
-[] Presentsight - Visit Jiichan
-[] Futuresight - Dandeer

Edit. Oh I got the voting wrong apparently. Well no vote for me then
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Nah, you can vote for that. Kakara will likely run out of steam really fast, but you absolutely can make the attempt.
Deathbybunnies said:
Yeah, I can't speak for others but for me personally if there's an open-ended vote where there aren't clearly superior options, I'll often hang back and wait, or not vote at all. It's not that I'm not enjoying the arc as much,I'm just... happy to go with the flow on this one. It's me treating the quest less as a game, and more as a story.
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I do get that, it was just that even with many voters who vote like that, we typically pile up more, faster. Thus my confusion.
 
[X] Search for a vision.
-[X] Presentsight - Visit Jiichan
[X] Head on over and have a chat with...
-[x] Papata Fren
[X] Spend time with your family tonight.
 
PoptartProdigy said:
[ ] Prince Jaffur Vegeta, the Scion of Vegeta. Son of Lord Vegeta Vegeta, the Lord Vegeta -- yes, really -- you were trained since birth to match and surpass your father. You have taken to that training like nothing else, and can easily claim to be the most lethal Saiyan alive save for your father, the Lord Goku, and their predecessors, despite your age. You are a warrior prince, the heir to the royalty of Clan Vegeta, and you stand at the head of a Clan that takes the trappings of nobility much more seriously than those Gokun fools. When your first child is born and takes your mantle of Scion -- when your father's title passes from him, and you become the Lord Vegeta -- you will stand as the acknowledged outright ruler of your people. Yet not all is well. Something is rotten in the House of Vegeta. Your father has dark designs, and a cruel temper that all-too-often turns to you. Nothing you do is ever enough, and failure is harshly punished. Your mother is your only solace, she and your little sister -- and even they are helpless in the face of a Full-Powered Super Saiyan. You do not know what the next few years will bring, but you will become the Lord Vegeta some day, and on that day you will rise with the respect and admiration of a people who have truly recalled their roots as a warrior race, and stand in awe of your early accomplishments.
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I was just rereading the first post, and this stuck out to me.

Have we... ever actually met Jaffur's little sister? Is she a baby and thus has no real character to interact with, plus Dandeer would never let us near her children? Or was she quietly retconned out of existence when we picked Kakara?
 
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