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I don't know why we're trying to contact Gohan? He even said that we should focus on things here/on Dandeer, before thinking about the gods/the afterlife.

[X] Search for a vision.
-[X] Futuresight - Dandeer
[X] Head on over and have a chat with...
-[x] Papata Fren
[X] Spend time with your family tonight.
 
Gore17 said:
I don't know why we're trying to contact Gohan? He even said that we should focus on things here/on Dandeer, before thinking about the gods/the afterlife.

[X] Search for a vision.
-[X] Futuresight - Dandeer
[X] Head on over and have a chat with...
-[x] Papata Fren
[X] Spend time with your family tonight.
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Because we miss our Jiichan.

Also something about a spirit bomb.

But mostly we miss our Jiichan.
 
Gore17 said:
I don't know why we're trying to contact Gohan? He even said that we should focus on things here/on Dandeer, before thinking about the gods/the afterlife.

[X] Search for a vision.
-[X] Futuresight - Dandeer
[X] Head on over and have a chat with...
-[x] Papata Fren
[X] Spend time with your family tonight.
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Social reasons. Also, he might have some advice/insight regarding the Spirit Bomb.

[X] Search for a vision.
-[X] Presentsight - Visit Jiichan
[X] Head on over and have a chat with...
-[x] Papata Fren
[X] Spend time with your family tonight.
 
[X] Search for a vision.
-[X] Presentsight - Visit Jiichan
[X] Head on over and have a chat with...
-[x] Papata Fren
[X] Spend time with your family tonight.
 
[X] Search for a vision.
-[X] Presentsight - Visit Jiichan
[X] Head on over and have a chat with...
-[x] Papata Fren
[X] Spend time with your family tonight.
 
Presentsight - Visit Jiichan has a very low chance of actually working. Especially if we are using multiform.
 
@PoptartProdigy, can we perform the Final Flash? I think we can do it and let me explain why.

Vegeta, when he went to fight Cell, was utterly assured of his victory. He thought there was no possible way he could lose when going into the battle against him. He did not know how good his regeneration was and he didn't know about his Perfect Form until the end of the battle between him and Semi-Perfect Cell.

With such an extreme - and well-deserved - confidence in his superiority over Cell, plus the fact that he didn't know he had to destroy all of Cell's cells, I don't think Vegeta invented the Final Flash in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber. He simply wouldn't have thought he'd need such a technique. Instead, I believe that Final Flash was something he made up on the spot. It certainly goes into explaining the long charge time versus later uses of the technique.

With that in mind, we would not be coming up with the technique from scratch. We know about it, we've seen it in use up close and felt it with our Exceptional Ki Sense, and we can probably wiggle out a few sentences from someone for a very basic explanation of how to do it. I reckon Kakara should be able to do it, even if her proficiency with it would be so low as to require the long charging time that the first Final Flash required.

I have another question, one unrelated to the above. With Exceptional Ki Sense, can we sense how much ki someone has left in the tank? Goku seemed to be able to do it, sensing the practically limitless quantity of ki within Buu.
 
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Andres110 said:
@PoptartProdigy, can we perform the Final Flash? I think we can do it and let me explain why.

Vegeta, when he went to fight Cell, was utterly assured of his victory. He thought there was no possible way he could lose when going into the battle against him. He did not know how good his regeneration was and he didn't know about his Perfect Form until the end of the battle between him and Semi-Perfect Cell.

With such an extreme - and well-deserved - confidence in his superiority over Cell, plus the fact that he didn't know he had to destroy all of Cell's cells, I don't think Vegeta invented the Final Flash in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber. He simply wouldn't have thought he'd need such a technique. Instead, I believe that Final Flash was something he made up on the spot. It certainly goes into explaining the long charge time versus later uses of the technique.

With that in mind, we would not be coming up with the technique from scratch. We know about it, we've seen it in use up close and felt it with our Exceptional Ki Sense, and we can probably wiggle out a few sentences from someone for a very basic explanation of how to do it. I reckon Kakara should be able to do it, even if her proficiency with it would be so low as to require the long charging time that the first Final Flash required.

I have another question, one unrelated to the above. With Exceptional Ki Sense, can we sense how much ki someone has left in the tank? Goku seemed to be able to do it, sensing the practically limitless quantity of ki within Buu.
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I personally just thought that his first use of a Final Flash was it as a prototype. That said, it's not really relevant to my answer: Kakara thinks she should be able to do it given its functional similarities to the Kamehameha and her personal experience with it, although she'll, as you surmised, not be the best at it. It's possible that it'd fizzle, but not at all likely.

You already have sensed an opponent's remaining endurance in that way. In fact, you do it whenever you have a fight.
 
Is there any way that final flash is better then Kamehameha? Because I can't think of anything. People just seem to come up with different names for energy attacks that all do the same thing.
 
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fictionfan said:
Is there any way that final flash is better then Kamehameha? Because I can't think of anything. People just seem to come up with different names for energy attacks that all do the same thing.
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Larger area of affect. Seriously, look at the size of the blast. Not a big deal in eg a duel but if you wanted to wipe out a numerically superior army...
 
fictionfan said:
In general I would not expect spraying energy everywhere to take much skill.
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Widening the spray without loosing beam cohesion is the heart of the skill with Final Flash. Kamehameha is all about power concentration, but Final Flash does it in a curious way; namely, that it requires the user to condense power while also spreading it out to cover a wide area.

At least, in my headcanon, so that we do not in fact have fifty thousands blasts with different names, all of which do the same bloody thing.
 
@PoptartProdigy, what is the difference between the Super Kamehameha, the Super Galick Gun, and the Final Flash? Also, why did you make the Final Flash just a wider-effect Kamehameha instead of the shit-tons-of-power-mega-ultra attack that it originally was? I mean, I don't think Vegeta used it against Cell because he was afraid he'd dodge it or something.
 
I am personally of the opinion that most ki blasts are the same with different names.
 
Andres110 said:
@PoptartProdigy, what is the difference between the Super Kamehameha, the Super Galick Gun, and the Final Flash? Also, why did you make the Final Flash just a wider-effect Kamehameha instead of the shit-tons-of-power-mega-ultra attack that it originally was? I mean, I don't think Vegeta used it against Cell because he was afraid he'd dodge it or something.
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Because the Kamehameha is also a shit-tons-of-power-mega-ultra attack when charged enough, and I wanted to differentiate them. They're two different effects; the Kamehameha is better specced for single targets. The Galick Gun I've actually ruled on before. I don't remember what I said, and I don't want to contradict it. I'll find it later when I'm less tired.
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I am personally of the opinion that most ki blasts are the same with different names.
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I can certainly understand that perspective from a critical standpoint, although I find it boring from a narrative and game design perspective and that's why I've chosen differently.
 
PoptartProdigy said:
Because the Kamehameha is also a shit-tons-of-power-mega-ultra attack when charged enough, and I wanted to differentiate them. They're two different effects; the Kamehameha is better specced for single targets. The Galick Gun I've actually ruled on before. I don't remember what I said, and I don't want to contradict it. I'll find it later when I'm less tired.
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You mentioned it was made with an imperfect understanding of Ki, so it's not particularly concentrated, with the Final Flash being an upgraded version with Ki Compression added, IIRC.
 
While we're going on about the kamehameha vs. final flash, gonna go ahead and throw out my own headcanon: (And remember, this is just my thoughts on the attacks.)

Different energy attacks are created by different mechanics of ki manipulation, which the charging stances and the appearace of the attack can give us an idea of.

The Kamehameha is obviously all about power compression. Cup your hands together, (or feet, or what have you,) force your energy into a sphere as hard as you can, once it's sufficiently dense you break the sphere, letting the built up energy blast out in a pressurized stream like a firehouse. This is also what gives it it's powerful thrust that Goku used when he fired it from his feet. (Also, apparently it can be thrown as a ball, as seen early in the Ressurection F saga of Super when Master Roshi does so.)

Final Flash, on the other hand, is charged with the arms spread wide and released by bringing the arms together. I see it more as a collision between two charged masses of energy, which react to each other in an explosion which the user then forces onto a beam through ki control. It gives the attack the wider, wilder blast compared to say... the Kamehameha.

The other attacks can also be guessed at as well:

Destructo Disk uses its thin edge and rotating momentum to give it it's signature use as a flying buzzsaw of doom. The faster the spin and the thinner the edge, the better the cutting power.

Special Beam Canon compresses the ki into a tight beam and then surrounds it with a second, rotating tendril of ki to use centrifugal force to compress it further to give it it's drilling/piercing power.

... and so on. Honestly, I'm so tired I'm not sure if I explained that well or not... but... well, you know.
 
The Maskerade is going to need a new cover story. Right now it is fairly obvious that there is a population of ki users that have been hiding on this planet for awhile now. That is bad because the new question is what they were hiding from.

However the coming of the Dragon actually might make a great cover. We can say that we were hiding from it, but the aliens ruined our cover attracting it's attention.

In fact we can say that the Dragon is not the only one of its kind and that we have to keep up cover. It should play to local prejudice.
 
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The locals are so chronically anti-exploration and so limited in terms of space travel technology that I honestly don't think we need to go out of our way to persuade them that they need to preserve the Masquerade. They'll preserve it by default, at least for the next generation or two. Maybe more.

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Nah, you can vote for that. Kakara will likely run out of steam really fast, but you absolutely can make the attempt.
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Just to be clear, does our having multiple courses of action (and, potentially, using multiform to do so) make all attempts to use Sight likely to fail or lead to running out of steam?

Or is it fundamentally not-stupid/not-wrong/viable for us to vote for a single vision option AND two normal activities? I can certainly think of narrative explanations for how Kakara could plausibly do all three things, even without Multiform, over a period of several hours of free time.

Andres110 said:
@PoptartProdigy, can we perform the Final Flash? I think we can do it and let me explain why.

Vegeta, when he went to fight Cell, was utterly assured of his victory. He thought there was no possible way he could lose when going into the battle against him. He did not know how good his regeneration was and he didn't know about his Perfect Form until the end of the battle between him and Semi-Perfect Cell.

With such an extreme - and well-deserved - confidence in his superiority over Cell, plus the fact that he didn't know he had to destroy all of Cell's cells, I don't think Vegeta invented the Final Flash in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber. He simply wouldn't have thought he'd need such a technique. Instead, I believe that Final Flash was something he made up on the spot. It certainly goes into explaining the long charge time versus later uses of the technique.

With that in mind, we would not be coming up with the technique from scratch. We know about it, we've seen it in use up close and felt it with our Exceptional Ki Sense, and we can probably wiggle out a few sentences from someone for a very basic explanation of how to do it. I reckon Kakara should be able to do it, even if her proficiency with it would be so low as to require the long charging time that the first Final Flash required.
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As far as I can tell, there's nothing stopping someone from learning the special ki attacks associated with a style, without learning the corresponding style. Kakara isn't a Goku stylist, but she's pretty good at the Kamehameha, for instance.

The question isn't "can we learn Final Flash," it's "why do we need to go out of our way to do that instead of focusing on other ki attacks that synergize better with our own style(s) and existing training?"
 
Simon_Jester said:
Just to be clear, does our having multiple courses of action (and, potentially, using multiform to do so) make all attempts to use Sight likely to fail or lead to running out of steam?

Or is it fundamentally not-stupid/not-wrong/viable for us to vote for a single vision option AND two normal activities? I can certainly think of narrative explanations for how Kakara could plausibly do all three things, even without Multiform, over a period of several hours of free time.
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If Kakara does run out of steam, I'll roll a d6 as a d3 to determine which visions she prioritizes, and she'll run out of energy according to priorities.
 
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