- Location
- Australia
@PoptartProdigy, if we can only now get into Exceptional Command training, why was that an option before? Did we waste the action?
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Dragon Ball: After the End
fictionfan
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- Location
- Tempe, AZ
I want to get into a public shouting match with Dandeer.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
Damn. Sorcerous backhanding at about half again solar escape velocity. Like, "if they'd smacked you straight up, they'd never find the body, because it'd be headed out onto a beeline to interstellar space and never coming back" fast.
Harsh, but fair. Now we know why going after the sorcerors was a mistake.
Or the bare fact of our effort to pursue Command Training might have triggered an event that would give us an opportunity to overcome the limit (e.g. this very event that just occurred).
If we hadn't voted to pursue Command Training, and stuck to that in the face of the dragon's threat, it's entirely possible that while we might still have gained the "Natural Soldier" reputation by our actions here, we could still not have unlocked "Exceptional" as a viable rank in Command Training.
Harsh, but fair. Now we know why going after the sorcerors was a mistake.
It's safe to say that the action wasn't a pure waste, but we might have had to roll dice to overcome a limit. Now we don't, which makes it more likely that we'll succeed and level up our skill. Or we may be able to devote a greater proportion of our energy to actually breaking through to the next level rather than wasting our time unlocking it, giving us a bonus or removing a malus.
Or the bare fact of our effort to pursue Command Training might have triggered an event that would give us an opportunity to overcome the limit (e.g. this very event that just occurred).
If we hadn't voted to pursue Command Training, and stuck to that in the face of the dragon's threat, it's entirely possible that while we might still have gained the "Natural Soldier" reputation by our actions here, we could still not have unlocked "Exceptional" as a viable rank in Command Training.
- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
You can now only get there through regular training. The prior option explicitly noted that it was uncertain and theoretical work. Now, Kakara (noted extrovert and people person) has basically everybody supporting and encouraging her as a soldier, buoying her confidence and efforts to the point where I recognize that there's no purpose in obscuring that the option would be an automatic success in terms of, "so did she make positive or negative progress?" So it's normal training, as opposed to risky and uncertain theory and speculation.
Oh, he didn't smack her.
He killed her ability to maintain altitude and change velocity, and then let her crash.
trooperist
Cinnamon Roll AI
There's always got to be that one person that thinks they're being clever.
Unfortunately for her there's only one twist to this competition and she guessed wrong. Also short sightedly thinking the Sorcerers would be a soft target when they undoubtedly would have planned exactly for someone charging them thinking they were being clever by subverting the point of the event.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
To me, the tournament arc is time to get tied in with saiyans and with family. So I'm thinking in terms of something like...
[ ] Head on over and have a chat with...
-[ ] Papata Fren
[ ] Spend time with your family tonight.
[ ] Search for a vision.
-[ ] ???
I'm open to suggestion on the vision ideas. Scrying on what the alien commander Tamar is doing sounds like a good idea. Maybe we can learn something about, say, the size or average power level of his soldiers. Scrying on the dragon may or may not be possible but it certainly wouldn't hurt if we could succeed. As noted, scrying on Spirit Bomb wouldn't actually change things since we'll be doing it anyway.
[ ] Head on over and have a chat with...
-[ ] Papata Fren
[ ] Spend time with your family tonight.
[ ] Search for a vision.
-[ ] ???
I'm open to suggestion on the vision ideas. Scrying on what the alien commander Tamar is doing sounds like a good idea. Maybe we can learn something about, say, the size or average power level of his soldiers. Scrying on the dragon may or may not be possible but it certainly wouldn't hurt if we could succeed. As noted, scrying on Spirit Bomb wouldn't actually change things since we'll be doing it anyway.
Point. Although all the previous comments about "harsh" apply. That is somewhere well north of solar escape velocity if Garenhuld's solar system is configured basically like Earth's with a not-much-larger sun and a planet in a normal habitable zone.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
There are, I have increasingly little doubt, good and compelling reasons why even though the majority of ki-using Exiles sneer at sorcerors for being weird and (ki-type) weaklings, they generally do not go out of their way to cross them.
It also bears consideration that Dandeer is probably significantly better at this kind of thing than the Gokun sorceror who just casually slapped down an attacker whose power level was presumably as close to fifteen million as makes no difference. Cautionary tale.
fictionfan
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- Location
- Tempe, AZ
I expected that we would have to do a command roll.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
Well, we can't normally scry into the afterlife; Yemma does not allow cutting in line. We can visit Gohan in the afterlife via visions in our sleep, which apparently involves divine-Gohan having some kind of backdoor access. Vegeta might not have bothered to set up such a backdoor, and we certainly have no evidence of it, so at best he'd be harder to contact.
Trying for a presentsight Gohan vision might not work, but we might learn a lot of good things. Gohan might have some things to say about the path we're taking (which is starting to parallel his own in some ways while diverging in others). He might have things to say about how we're doing with Jaffur, which might prove interesting.
And if anything reasonably-readily available to us could give us a bonus to Spirit Bomb research, it would be visiting Jiichan. Because Gohan has seen the Spirit Bomb used repeatedly, and even interacted with its energy once- albeit only as an accidental target practice backstop.
...
Except, as Poptart just said, we're already trying everything we can think of in terms of scrying and Spirit Bomb. Which might be interpreted to mean we're going to be trying "go visit Jiichan" too, and would derive no extra benefit.
It's also possible that we might have to "and nothing else" pretty hard to achieve this. Visiting Gohan in the afterlife is something our spirit does, and I suspect we can't Multiform that while doing something else; we just have to straight-up have Kakara go to sleep (which she rarely does due to Masque shenanigans).
fictionfan
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- Location
- Tempe, AZ
@PoptartProdigy : Now that we have tested the waters could we convince Sensei to teach Jaffur what he needs to learn to break out of the seal? We can tell Jaffur and introduce Sensei to him. Of course Sensei would have to make sure it he was in there whenever Jaron is entering the seal.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
I suspect Sensei will still not want to go anywhere near Jaffur's mindscape, especially when he finds out about how Jaron behaves while in said mindscape.
fictionfan
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- Location
- Tempe, AZ
He could only enter in the morning after Jaron has woken up. I don't think there is anything preventing that.
fictionfan
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- Location
- Tempe, AZ
He has likely learned the spirt bomb by now. He has been in the afterlife for 300 years now.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
I suspect that Carrick Balor will have a useful and very colorful saying about ideas like this, along the lines of "there are old Seers, and there are bold Seers, but there are no old, bold Seers."
If he's tried, then that would be a very optimistic and positive outcome. I suspect that would be too convenient, but he might still know something helpful.
- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
He'll give it a shot. I'll let you know how it goes once it happens.
fictionfan
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- Location
- Tempe, AZ
I misspoke. Should have said not in their when Jaron is. Also we should tell Jaffur beforehand so he doesn't do that focus ray prank he did with us on Sensei.
The true power of communications is the power to delegate.
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fictionfan
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- Location
- Tempe, AZ
There were some checks after all did not see them in my first read.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
Moderation over
[X] Head on over and have a chat with...
-[x] Papata Fren
[X] Spend time with your family tonight.
[X] Head on over and have a chat with...
-[x] Papata Fren
[X] Spend time with your family tonight.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
Does anyone think trying to go into a sleep/meditative trance and talk to Jiichan is worth trying? We may not get another opportunity to attempt something like that between now and the dragon's attack and/or our attempt to break the Seal. And we know we were able to do it much younger and with no Seer training whatsoever.
- Location
- Actually pretty lost
Sounds good. I'd also like to look at Cell performing PM, in the hopes of actually making progress there for once (and maybe hitting Exceptional) but I suspect that's a non-starter.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
Yeah. Since we dropped perfect multiform to pursue other crash research projects due to not knowing crash research projects were an option, it wouldn't help us achieve any results we were planning to achieve this year.
Ridiculously Average Guy
I'm you, but stronger
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[X] Head on over and have a chat with...
-[x] Papata Fren
[X] Spend time with your family tonight.
-[x] Papata Fren
[X] Spend time with your family tonight.
He might tell us where Trunk's dragon slaying sword ended up.