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We're planning to use ourselves as the test subject, right? That means the thorny ethical issues will be arising in our metaphorical living rooms. And possibly punching us in the schnozz.
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Use it together with multiform both inner and outer Karaka are still Karaka.
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1 in 2,000 chance. The dice did not love us that much.
Well, I am not certain it was possible at all. Absolutely not certain if I'm correct, but I think it was one roll. Result of 100 was for seer, and 95+ for sorcerer.
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But think of the advantages! Why, we could end up having our 'normal' body do all that 'friends' and 'school' and 'Scion Leadership' stuff, while we closed ourselves off from all Saiyan/human contact and worked on marvelous new techniques and maybe even fusion! I mean, if we multiformed X 3 in the mindscape, two could practice fusion while the third watched from safety! Or we could practice our Seeing! And write posts for our blog, only to deliver them to our Masqued brain complete, and ready for publishing!
There's just the teensy-weensy chance we'd go mad, and only the slightest problem with re-merging our minds at the end.
But the ki!Science!!
Hmmm...maybe that should be Kience!
No, I'm pretty sure it was two rolls.
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Well that is a way to deal with our lack actions create a sister to do some of them for us. I expect that Jaffur and Jacob will be working together in the future to be able to get more done.
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It occurs to me that a way to help deal with the current Saiyan exploding population problem would be to create a third clan with it's own lord. If this were to be done what do you think this new clan should be named? Off course the other problem is picking who would be the lord for this new clan. We would need some Saiyian to really really distinguish themself.
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@PoptartProdigy Do you mind if I give you a list of ideas and ask if they have been done before?
- Invisible ki ray. A laser is not visible from the side so in theory a perfectly cast ki ray would also be invisible from the side? Alternatively maybe a ki blast or ray could be formed such that all light emitted was not in the visible spectrum. For example a ray of pure thermal heat or radiation.
- Ki blasts that move faster than the speed of light. Also, is it possible to instant transmission to a ki blast in flight?
- People able to power up to their full power level without lighting up or showing any aura when their power level is in the millions.
- Using telepathy to convey emotions and generally add context to one's words.
- Using telepathy to communicate faster than would otherwise be possible.
- Mind delving from a distance or without the person knowing.
- Using them same principles that allow super saiyan to fly through the air without mushroom clouds to fly though earth or stone without a ripple or seemingly damaging it.
- How far from the planet have Saiyans flown without the use of space craft?
- Kakara as shown herself able to manipulate others ki (ex. catching and crush a ki blast). Are there others that have more thoroughly explored this. What are some of the more impressive things that have been done?
- Are there any combination moves that Saiyans do by combining their ki?
Actually considering the current clans are named after Goku and Vegeta who are known to be Super Saiyan Gods the obvious name for the 3rd clan would be Gohan who is also a Super Saiyan God.
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We could form Clan TeaParty!
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However in order to form another clan we are going to need some Saiyan to seriously impress everyone. Do something so cool that we can reward him/her with a lordship and no one questions it.
Slaying the dragon comes to mind.
Slaying the dragon comes to mind.
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Well clan Vegeta is coming apart at the seams. If we could form a new clan it should vent alot of the pressure. Unfortunately we still have the problem of needing someone exceptional to give the lordship.
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Safety concerns aside I'm pretty sure that wouldn't actually work. If multiform bodies perform a successful fusion dance they just re-merge, Poptart has already said so.
I suspect that if they perform an only almost successful fusion dance, the same thing happens, and that a lot of potential failure modes in the fusion dance would be concealed by the fact that the two people fusing are biologically identical and have identical minds. You might well end up with a dangerous almost-right fusion dance. One that Multiform clones can use to recoalesce in perfect safety, because that's easy and relatively foolproof... but that would horribly kill anyone else who tried it.
It's called a Dodonpa and Kakara already does it. However, any beam or ray that interacts with matter will itself tend to heat the matter. A sufficiently powerful laser WOULD be visible from the side, if only because it would be shattering all the air molecules in its path into free oxygen ions and scattering them.
I mean, a nuclear bomb generates X-rays, and X-rays are invisible. The massive glowing cloud of all-destroying fire that you think of as "a nuclear explosion" is actually the side effects of everything around the bomb getting hit by the X-rays... with very visible effects.
Given how much time compression Poptart attributes to high-powered ki fights this is inevitable, because the speed of light is "one foot per nanosecond," give or take a little. Nanoseconds are that short. However, an opponent operating at similar time compression (that is, power level) can still dodge.
Er... I don't even know what this means; the grammar is a bit confusing.
Kakara's ki control is such that she can already do this, or at least go up most of the way to her full power level.
Poptart said this was possible but would require research because it's hard to do.
Everyone already does this- especially in the context of high time compression.
I suspect not. You can use ki to create a 'sheath' around the body in which air molecules are manipulated to open up a path for the hypersonic saiyan and close back together without creating shock waves. That doesn't mean you could fly through rock. Air doesn't have internal structure or connections between its molecules. Rocks do.
Probably manipulating and crushing bigger ki blasts, at least?
I suspect that creating a new clan would make problems associated with the disintegrating political structure of Clan Vegeta worse, not better.
Furthermore, it is unlikely that we will have any chance of making that happen until Kakara is Lady of the Gokuns, not just Scion. And that won't happen until either:
1) Kakara has a child, which is I very much hope at least 8-10 years in the future, or
2) Berra dies, which I very much hope is even farther in the future than that.
By the time either of those things happen, I very much hope that the Vegetans will be restored to order under AVE JAFFUR! and our problems on that front will be solved.
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Berra has gone to great lengths to centralize power, we have been taking actions to increase our political capital and a third clan would minimize our authority. So no, no third clan. That sounds like a terrible idea.
I would rather we put effort in having our clan head not killing each other or dying against rebellions for a generation so that we actually have a complete set of super saiyans though since noone wants vegeta free I will have to content myself with having kakara invent perfect multiform to make up the lack of numbers.
I would rather we put effort in having our clan head not killing each other or dying against rebellions for a generation so that we actually have a complete set of super saiyans though since noone wants vegeta free I will have to content myself with having kakara invent perfect multiform to make up the lack of numbers.
There's an alternate version of Kakara who did that herself, granting her Masque life of its own.
Admittedly, this was while dying and her soul being annihilated by the Enemy, and she had unlocked SSJG so that probably played a part.
Admittedly, this was while dying and her soul being annihilated by the Enemy, and she had unlocked SSJG so that probably played a part.
Unless we head the Third Clan! /something I've been thinking about
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Only if they have ki sense.
Seems clear to me. Instance Transmission teleports us to a ki signature. The question is can we fire a faster than light ki blast into space then teleport to it later. Therefore allowing us to get into the wider galaxy and sense for other ki signatures. If we don't sense anything then we teleport back.
The question is if people can avoid the aura when they are fully powered up.
I am asking because if it has been done before then it is much easier to copy then to try and figure it out for ourselves. I was not asking if it was possible.
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Also the Masque is made up of everyone trapped in broken fragments of time so... not exactly the same thing that happened to Jaffur.
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Two rolls. 95+ on one means sorcerer. 100 on the other means seer.
Telepathy by default is faster than the spoken word. Kakara sitting on the moon because she wanted a quiet place to think is about as far as people have gone without equipment. Controlling somebody else's ki is not a special ki trick; it's a direct, opposed, ki control vs. ki control check. You win, and the ki is yours to do with whatever you please. Yes, there are combination moves; they are referred to as, "combined fire." The most skilled users of Mind Delve can use it on anybody with whom they make eye contact, with perfect stealth.
For the rest: not been tried.
And in fact, it's even more complicated still, as Fourth mentions above me.
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With high enough ki control could you basically make it so your opponent using any sort of ki blasts is counter productive? Do relative power levels factor into the check? If the do is it maximum power level or displayed power level?
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Sure. In fact, I encourage you all to build your entire fighting style around and stake the Enemy's defeat on mastering it.
They do, but only expressed levels. Maximum power levels are meaningless on a practical level. It does not matter how hard you are capable of punching, if you are only punching half as hard as that.
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I personally am going to try and get Jaffur to beat the Enemy for us. He is likely to be better at it. We can focus on all the non fighting things. There are plenty of those to go around.Sure. In fact, I encourage you all to build your entire fighting style around and stake the Enemy's defeat on mastering it.
They do, but only expressed levels. Maximum power levels are meaningless on a practical level. It does not matter how hard you are capable of punching, if you are only punching half as hard as that.
In fact as a sorcerer Jaffur is much better equiped to fight the Enemy. Especially given he blocked all seers. Otherwise we might at least been able to give Jaffur tips.
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I mean, he could... but only after Kakara dies in front of him in a repeat of the death of Earth, and he spends the next 20-40 years training and getting swole
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You know that's from a different timeline.
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We need to get better at running away. Find some other planet we can teleport to and get good enough at instance transmission to evacuate the whole planet quickly.
The reason I asked is because before you said that Kakara got a bonus to her ki control check because she was dealing with fair less ki then she is capable of.
Would be nice to be able to just tank and control all the fleets ki blasts. Pretend it is just because we are skilled. Also our flying abilities should let us control the range would be cool to be able to beat someone displaying a higher power level then us.
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