Quest
The Great One
- Location
- Everywhere
We should run for president.
Dragon Ball: After the End
It starts earlier every year. Soon, it will just be one more perennial flavor out of dozens. Sort of like how Christmas would dominate America and everybody would pay their taxes directly to Hallmark if Halloween weren't still desperately holding the line after Turkeyday defected to the dark side.
"Woof", said the dog.
Said.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
There are other applications for the trick. Like to whisper yet everyone hears you. Also have a voice that cuts though all the chatter.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
Although when you're a super-saiyan, you can do that last thing by just being louder than the chatter.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
Yes, but whispering and yet still being heard is very impressive and allows you to seem in complete control of the situation.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
Trying to think of possible actions for him. I guess he might have broken though the seal and talked to other people. Not sure who he could trust.
He could have gone Super Saiyan 2. We have gotten indication that it might be done safely in here. In which case we really need to learn how to replicate it.
Don't think he could really improve his basic fighting or learn ki moves. Without a teacher or even books that would really really hard. In fact his hand to hand might have degraded considering he is limited to shadow boxing.
He has likely improved his own style seeing as that is his own invention anyway. However he has not been able to test it's effectiveness until now so he might have included some unoptimized moves or techniques into it. A bit like our researching command theory, but worse considering he has no one to bounce ideas off of.
He also might have done alot of meditation and self reflection. Really devoping any traits he might have. Hope he has avoided any self destructive feedback loops. Considering @PoptartProdigy 's other character in the RP that is something to definitely worry about.
- Location
- Somewhere I shouldn't be
I expect his actions have largely been working on his magic and studying how it interacts with the Seal, so he could project through it (like he has when he's spoken to us, or during the battle).
He may also have developed some of his traits, but I'm not sure if that would have been practical - with limited or no outside stimulus, he can't talk to anyone but himself (and occasionally Jaron) - it would be hard to consider traits in that fashion, unable to see how your beliefs interact with the world.
We know that he has - this is how he spoke to us. The first time he did, it drained all his magical power AND all of his ki, to get like 8 words. I doubt he's talked to many others.
Super Saiyan 2 doesn't just require training, as Poptars has said. It requires a real need to go further. I know he has/had the trait "You Have To Create The Need", but I'm not sure it would have been enough to get him there. If he had, there's no doubt in my mind he'd have raised his base power again (since each transformation breaks caps) and we would be feeling his elevated level.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
I hope that he has developed a patient trait. Useful for not going insane.
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- Location
- Somewhere I shouldn't be
Oh! After looking at his character sheet, we know one other thing he's worked on.
When Sealed, his power level was not at cap, and his SSJ transformation was not at max.
There is LITERALLY no chance this is still the case. He has maxed his power level, no doubt.
When Sealed, his power level was not at cap, and his SSJ transformation was not at max.
There is LITERALLY no chance this is still the case. He has maxed his power level, no doubt.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
Assuming he knew the secret. They might not tell Scions until they transform just to be safe.
I'm not so sure. Jaffur is to fighting what we are to non-combat Ki usage. Which I honestly call hax on: we get a large bonus to Ki Talents and a small bonus to Ki Manipulation, while he seems to get a large bonus to both Hand-to-Hand and Ki Manipulation, and likely gets a small bonus to Ki Manipulation.
Well, depends on whether he could achieve that while inside the Seal, and whether he knew the secret behind it.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
Goku deduced the secret, given a year locked in a box with his son with nothing to do but train. No one knew it before him, no one told him. He just figured it out, as a natural byproduct of practicing his super-saiyan form as much as possible in an attempt to prepare himself to fight Cell.
If he could do it, why couldn't Jaffur? He's under comparable conditions; hell, his mindscape even looks like the place Goku worked out the secret in!
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The biggest reason super-saiyan rebels never discover the secret, I suspect, is not that it's actually hard to do. It's that training a full power super-saiyan requires the trainee to spend as much time as possible in the super-saiyan state, for extended periods, including mundane activities. It's endurance training, not strength training, that allows you to maximally use the super-saiyan state.
If you're a super-saiyan rebel on Exile Garenhuld, you can't do that. There are going to be few or no places in the world where you can train the super-saiyan form for very long at a stretch without being detected. The Talt rebels, for example, held 'family parties' in one of the Hall's high-energy rooms, we know that... but they can't possibly have stayed down there for days at a time without people asking questions. Even if they knew the secret of FPSSJ, they might not be able to access it.
Rebels can access the transformation to get into the base form, and under the right conditions they may be able to patch together the Ascended/Ultimate forms if their "train in secret" setup is really good. But because they can't legally spend months where they're in super-saiyan form all the time their endurance allows, and because no illicit bootleg training scheme is reliable enough... they never fully master the transformation.
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Goku was also prodigy(check) with years of experience(sorta check) with a relaxed and calm mindset focused on self-improvement(nope). Vegeta, despite also being a prodigy, didn't figure out the transformation, because he had a different mindset.Goku deduced the secret, given a year locked in a box with his son with nothing to do but train. No one knew it before him, no one told him. He just figured it out, as a natural byproduct of practicing his super-saiyan form as much as possible in an attempt to prepare himself to fight Cell.
If he could do it, why couldn't Jaffur? He's under comparable conditions; hell, his mindscape even looks like the place Goku worked out the secret in!
Also, after centuries, the idea of there being some super secret, complicated trick behind it would have firmly rooted itself in the Exiles collective consciousness. So they would be actively looking for some method, which is counterproductive.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
Well, that fairly literally answers my question- "why couldn't Jaffur?"
I suppose it's more accurate to say:
Jaffur has had as good an opportunity to discover the secret of the full power transformation as Goku had, possibly better. Like Vegeta, who failed given the same opportunity, he may have failed. On the other hand, like Goku, he might have succeeded. Either outcome is plausible.
I suppose it's more accurate to say:
Jaffur has had as good an opportunity to discover the secret of the full power transformation as Goku had, possibly better. Like Vegeta, who failed given the same opportunity, he may have failed. On the other hand, like Goku, he might have succeeded. Either outcome is plausible.
- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
*perks up*
*blinks*
...blegh, sugar overload. You have-
Wait, that's not the right tone. Ahem.
YOU HAVE DISPLEASED THE THREAD GOD, MORTALS, WITH YOUR OVERINDULGENT GIFTS OF SWEETS! KNOW MY WRATH AND DESPAIR!
...and I don't like mochas, anyway.
...*blink*
..."fuzzy?"
Non-canon! But, grants a lesser bonus to the research project to develop this trick (it's harder than this passage depicts).
*perks up*
*blinks*
...blegh, sugar overload. You have-
Wait, that's not the right tone. Ahem.
YOU HAVE DISPLEASED THE THREAD GOD, MORTALS, WITH YOUR OVERINDULGENT GIFTS OF SWEETS! KNOW MY WRATH AND DESPAIR!
...and I don't like mochas, anyway.
...*blink*
..."fuzzy?"
Non-canon! But, grants a lesser bonus to the research project to develop this trick (it's harder than this passage depicts).
"Fizzy".
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
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- Actually pretty lost
Assuming it works similarly to Perfect Multiform research, it will give some telepathy training, but less than just spending an action training telepathy would.
- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
In that case that is going to be on hold for a long time. We have many ideas we want to try out.
- Location
- Somewhere I shouldn't be
Yes.
Can...can WE arrange to be Sealed for a few months? It would be ridiculously convenient if we got a 'Karen/Scion' clone to run around for us for a few months while the three/four of us spent some time Sealed inside our brain working on research and ki talents and stuff.
How awesome would it be if we took Dandeer's atrocity and turned it into a completely legitimate research tool? Oddball forever, yo.
Can...can WE arrange to be Sealed for a few months? It would be ridiculously convenient if we got a 'Karen/Scion' clone to run around for us for a few months while the three/four of us spent some time Sealed inside our brain working on research and ki talents and stuff.
How awesome would it be if we took Dandeer's atrocity and turned it into a completely legitimate research tool? Oddball forever, yo.
Bakkasama
There is always a greater fool
- Location
- Buenos Aires, Argentina
- Pronouns
- He/his
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Can someone else handle this? I don't feel like explaining why using magic that we don't understand, think is an abomination and was only possible because of a super saiyan sorcerer messing with energies he does not understand to do the quest equivalent of Harry Potter's accidental magic so that we can ditch our duties and subside social interactions to a sentient being created from magic that might as well be our sister and that we have no idea what to do with afterwards, in order to train skills in a mindscape we don't know if it would let us train them effectively and might even have different rules than reality under the basis we could split our mind without splitting our bodies to maximize the time we can train them when it is imposible to do it with our spirit separated from our bodies and when poptart told us that forming new personalities in our same body to handle other things would be a legendary tier multiform elite talent/research project, might be a bad idea. Specially when we don't have a master sorcerer we could trust to do that since Dandelor has to remain hidden and teach Jaffur.
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Can someone else handle this? I don't feel like explaining why using magic that we don't understand, think is an abomination and was only possible because of a super saiyan sorcerer messing with energies he does not understand to do the quest equivalent of Harry Potter's accidental magic so that we can ditch our duties and subside social interactions to a sentient being created from magic that might as well be our sister and that we have no idea what to do with afterwards, in order to train skills in a mindscape we don't know if it would let us train them effectively and might even have different rules than reality under the basis we could split our mind without splitting our bodies to maximize the time we can train them when it is imposible to do it with our spirit separated from our bodies and when poptart told us that forming new personalities in our same body to handle other things would be a legendary tier multiform elite talent/research project, might be a bad idea. Specially when we don't have a master sorcerer we could trust to do that since Dandelor has to remain hidden and teach Jaffur.
- Location
- Somewhere I shouldn't be
I mean, obviously there's a few bugs to work out. But if it's been done once, it can be done again.
And I bet we can get some of the bad parts of it to be minimized (such as the two separate people merging back into one person at the end, and her being a mental clone of us when we split, not a distinct person).
The concept in my head is to take an abomination and put it to good use. Sorta like importing scientists to jumpstart NASA, only with magic.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
I'm going to be honest... I don't really think this is a good field of study. There's considerable risk of mental damage or thorny ethical issues arising.
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
Thorny ethical issues only arise if you give thought to them! We need more mad science and less existential crises!!!