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Oh cool, so we actually have a canon example of this!
Not entirely. Rather then make his Ki undetectable entirely, Obuni made it so it appeared be originating in several different places at once in a general area.

Here's how the anime represented the effect:

It's basically the after-image strike technique, only with Ki instead of speed. Burned through his stamina fast though.

And IIRC, Hit demonstrated a similar ability, though that was more distraction?
 
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Not entirely. Rather then make his Ki undetectable entirely, Obuni made it so it appeared be originating in several different places at once in a general area.

Here's how the anime represented the effect:

It's basically the after-image strike technique, only with Ki instead of speed. Burned through his stamina fast though.

And IIRC, Hit demonstrated a similar ability, though that was more distraction?
You're right, it's not an actual example of Ki Stealth. It is, however, a demonstration that fighters rely pretty much entirely on their Ki Sense, to the point where they're almost crippled if something disrupts it. It suggests that Ki Stealth would seriously mess up an opponent's ability to tell where you are in a fight, though I suspect for game balance purposes an opponent will be able to track the area they can't detect anything at all from at a penalty, once they figure out what's going on.

It's entirely possible Hit did something similar, but I only really know Super from wiki-walks, the earlier parts of Super's manga run, and what's discussed here, so I can't confirm it.
 
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It could be that when they were fighting the androids they relied in the "get hit, then hit the area the punch comes from" approach to fight them without ki sense. That and the fact that they stop to hit rather than rely ontackles so as to throw their momentum on the punch.
 
Wasn't Lavender blinding Gohan in their fight presented as significant?
Yep. Of course, Lavender also couldn't be sensed through Ki, leaving sight the main thing to rely upon. And Whis mentions that while Sight is used, fighters like Gohan relied upon Ki Sense to react. Which means that Obuni's and Hits techniques would be likely more effective then invisibility during a fight, as it gives them false readings.

My guess? Light is faster in the DB universe, but past a certain point, Ki Sense becomes more reliable. Sight is something they use as a supplement or in emergencies.
 
Yep. Of course, Lavender also couldn't be sensed through Ki, leaving sight the main thing to rely upon. And Whis mentions that while Sight is used, fighters like Gohan relied upon Ki Sense to react. Which means that Obuni's and Hits techniques would be likely more effective then invisibility during a fight, as it gives them false readings.

My guess? Light is faster in the DB universe, but past a certain point, Ki Sense becomes more reliable. Sight is something they use as a supplement or in emergencies.
Of course, if you force them to rely on sight and then attack from four different directions...
 
Goku took advantage of the fact that Frieza could not sense ki multiple times during their fight. Also interesting to note, the scouts were using scouters which indicates that they could not sense ki.
 
Is that actually a technique? I thought that was just a thing that happened when they moved really fast, that the wiki called a technique because the wiki has to call everything a technique.
They call it a technique in the manga too. It is not just moving but doing so in a specific way to leave an after image, so it would still probably fall in hand to hand, I think.

That's not a given. Scouters also do stuff like, as I recall, serve as radios.
It was mentioned ooc that they used the scouters to track our IT by having the aliens stand in a circle facing all directions and lock on the ki signature that appears out if nowhere.
 
Alright, I'm back.
Hey @PoptartProdigy , do the bonuses Gore won still apply in a future conversation?
Or in this conversation with Valentine?
They applied to convincing Dandeer specifically. In this case, they will apply to mitigating the fallout from so blatantly circumventing Dandeer.
@PoptartProdigy, what was your initial reaction to the Valentine vote when it appeared? Did you expect it or were you surprised by it? Also, will the bonuses generated by this thread's diligent omake writers apply to the Valentine vote or are they completely worthless?
My reaction was, "this should be interesting to write."

Your second question has some seriously loaded phrasing, to the point where I wouldn't be comfortable answering it, had Mikeline not asked more neutrally.
While I feel salty about this turn out, it seems to me that PoptartProdigy WANTED this outcome. And, fuck it, if he wanted to write this then I want to see it.
I must ask: what on earth made you conclude this?

Also, please stop gendering me. I'm not in the mood today.
Does that mean that they can make robots as powerful as Android 17 and 18? They were more powerful than a basic Super Saiyan.
In theory, yes, although they don't really go in for cybernetics per se as they do robotics as a standalone.
Poptart said the technology wasn't militarized, and it bears remembering that Dr. Gero spent at least something like twenty or thirty years working on robotics technology, first for the Red Ribbon Army, then for himself. He didn't unleash the androids capable of performing at a super-saiyan level until the end of that period, and there was probably a reason for that.

On the other hand, this DOES seem like something the Exile community would try to keep track of on some level because they do have cultural memory of androids as terrifyingly dangerous creations (let alone Cell). @PoptartProdigy , if it's true that Garenhuld technology has fundamental robotics technology that is broadly comparable to that of Dr. Gero, or even superior, do the Exiles realize this, and how much do they know or think they know about the possibility of androids like Androids 16-20 being created? Is there a consensus on how long it would take to develop this technology given an opportunity? If so, why is this not a field of greater research? Even androids many orders of magnitude less powerful and sophisticated than the high-end androids of Dragonball Z would make armies of conventional soldiers like the ones we saw during the Tastreyan invasion of Aramaia practically obsolete.
As you said, it is very much not militarized. While robotics as a field is extremely advanced, the practical implementation lags significantly. That said, the Exiles do indeed keep track. Cyborgs like 17, 18, and 20 are, as mentioned above, not a serious field of study. True androids like 8, 16, and 19 actually don't exist -- while robotics is extremely advanced, A.I. studies are primitive by comparison. Remember, IRL Earth unless specified otherwise. It'd take decades to develop AI to that level, and further decades to successfully get the surgeries required for cyborgs to the point of being able to make androids en masse.
I suspect @PoptartProdigy will rule that light in DBZ just moves faster than light :V, but otherwise we might be able to take advantage of this. If we achieved Ki Stealth, perhaps enemies would be forced to instead track the null area where they don't detect anything at all? In which case instead of being completely broken, your opponent would just take a penalty based on exactly how competent they are at sensing Ki.
My ruling is that I am not paid enough (at all) to care. :p
Is that actually a technique? I thought that was just a thing that happened when they moved really fast, that the wiki called a technique because the wiki has to call everything a technique.
That is in fact the case. It is technically distinct, but not really distinct enough in execution for me to classify it as a skill.

I'm not sure why some of the players are so intent on getting it classified as a skill, given that right now I have Kakara be as proficient in its use as she needs to be, and if I was convinced to make it a skill, she'd start at Poor. Seems slightly against your own interests. Still, though, some people have been pushing pretty hard, so I suppose... :evil:
 
They applied to convincing Dandeer specifically. In this case, they will apply to mitigating the fallout from so blatantly circumventing Dandeer.
*sighs* I can only pray for a nat-100. :(
Also, please stop gendering me. I'm not in the mood today.
*hugs*
That is in fact the case. It is technically distinct, but not really distinct enough in execution for me to classify it as a skill.

I'm not sure why some of the players are so intent on getting it classified as a skill, given that right now I have Kakara be as proficient in its use as she needs to be, and if I was convinced to make it a skill, she'd start at Poor. Seems slightly against your own interests. Still, though, some people have been pushing pretty hard, so I suppose... :evil:
The technique is literally worthless in combat against Ki Sensors due to the whole "can detect you despite fooling your sight".
 
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Also, please stop gendering me. I'm not in the mood today.

Didn't know you weren't a man, my sincere apologies.

I must ask: what on earth made you conclude this?

In my years of questing and talking to GMs, it's been my experience that one doesn't extend a deadline for a last minute vote unless it's of some interest to the GM. Certainly, there have been dozens of last minute votes through this quest that didn't generate this response. Although it's certainly possible I am wrong and you did it on a lark.

*shrugs*
 
Didn't know you weren't a man, my sincere apologies.
Gender Ambiguous. Possibly none.
There's a note on the Lore Screen, in fact.
I'm saying "don't bother until if and when we figure out a way around that issue".
But I hunger for the tears of my players, Gore. :lol
In my years of questing and talking to GMs, it's been my experience that one doesn't extend a deadline for a last minute vote unless it's of some interest to the GM. Certainly, there have been dozens of last minute votes through this quest that didn't generate this response. Although it's certainly possible I am wrong and you did it on a lark.

*shrugs*
I extended the deadline because the write-in represented a wholly novel approach to the situation and it had exactly no chance of winning without me calling attention to it. It was a clever (success not guaranteed, blah blah) thought and I figured it deserved a fair shake. In the future I'll probably do the same.
 
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