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Dragon Ball: After the End

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Bakkasama said:
Edit^2: Nope, it was a greater bonus toward convinving Dandeer.

Ok, I think this is about to get ugly in thread:( Not my intention at all.:cry:
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Especially when you consider this: with the omake bonuses, and Kakara's skills and traits, we'd have had, at minimum, +105 to the roll for convincing Dandeer. This discounts any circumstantial bonus from all the arguments presented in-thread, many of them from you, which would like boost that even higher.

Even assuming that circumstance modifiers resulted in a net of -80(due to her own feelings), and we needed an end result of 76 to convince Dandeer, we'd have had a 50-50 shot at convincing her.

I mean, we known that it was possible to convince to reverse her stance on the Sealing after the Council/her excommunication. This would have been considerably easier to do.

Also, you forgot the lesser bonus towards convincing Dandeer.
 
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Bakkasama said:
The important thing here was getting Jaffur training, at least for me. While I usually don't like the confrontational aproach... I can't feel that guilty about it here. Not for hate of the character or because of her role in the sealing but for her reaction when we stopped the missiles. That is the indication of how far gone she is: That she doesn't care about lives as long as it doesn't endanger her family versus the values she supposedly imparted on Jaron, who thinks she would be disappointed if he didn't help people.
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I actually agree with this. My reasons for desiring reconciliation with Dandeer have been practical (we can use all the allies we can get, and the minimum number of enemies), not out of any affection for her as a human being.

Especially not since her reaction to the nuking.

That said, my omake was very specifically intended to be ambiguous about what course of action Kakara would pursue; I'd be a bit disappointed if it didn't somehow apply to the outcome of the vote we got.
 
So many bonuses... I hope we don't alienate Dandeer with this, because I really hope we can use them later to convince her for something.
 
Sorry I couldn't do more then just vote earlier but I wanted to take a moment now that I've got time to point something out.

Berra has apparently been talking to Valentine Somerlad and sounding out how he feels about things, if in round about non-specific ways, when making big decisions for the Saiyans, or at least he tries too when there is time, so I see no reason why Kakara couldn't use that same rational here.
 
Artanis Prime said:
Sorry I couldn't do more then just vote earlier but I wanted to take a moment now that I've got time to point something out.

Berra has apparently been talking to Valentine Somerlad and sounding out how he feels about things, if in round about non-specific ways, when making big decisions for the Saiyans, or at least he tries too when there is time, so I see no reason why Kakara couldn't use that same rational here.
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Actually, he goes through Dandeer. You want a ruling from the Vegetan Lord, Dandeer is the one who gets it. No one else gets to.
 
Gore17 said:
Actually, he goes through Dandeer. You want a ruling from the Vegetan Lord, Dandeer is the one who gets it. No one else gets to.
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Bah your right I just went back and re-read that update where Kara and Berra took out the nukes and its Dandeer that consults her husband in metaphor, I was miss-remembering. Though that does seem to imply that Berra, at least, believes that Valentine is still more or less Vegeta, minus the memories and context of his Saiyan heritage, and that his opinions still matter. Which is a point in favor of letting him weigh in on the decision to train his son.
 
Artanis Prime said:
Bah your right I just went back and re-read that update where Kara and Berra took out the nukes and its Dandeer that consults her husband in metaphor, I was miss-remembering. Though that does seem to imply that Berra, at least, believes that Valentine is still more or less Vegeta, minus the memories and context of his Saiyan heritage, and that his opinions still matter. Which is a point in favor of letting him weigh in on the decision to train his son.
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Or it could be because Dandeer's regency is based on that and if it weren't like that Yammar would be theone ruling so he plays along.
 
Don't know about you all, but I completely forgot those bonuses and voted for Valentine/Vegeta because I
A) felt it was better than all other options as all "talk to dandeer" options felt wrong somehow and I couldn't figure out how, what or why.
B) have been in love with the "oddball"-trait since I saw it and this "talk to Valentine/Vegeta" fit it perfectly.
C) I have been in same position as Kakara as a kid. I was damn smart and mature but some older people just dismissed me. Me! How dare they!-
Krhm! It was very Annoying.
When they inevitably failed because the didn't listen to me I laughed and I laughed hard and heartily!
That said, my nephew is apparently following my footsteps and boy am I glad to exist so there is someone who could be his mouthpiece when some jerks don't listen to him because he is a kid.
 
Poptart said the technology wasn't militarized, and it bears remembering that Dr. Gero spent at least something like twenty or thirty years working on robotics technology, first for the Red Ribbon Army, then for himself. He didn't unleash the androids capable of performing at a super-saiyan level until the end of that period, and there was probably a reason for that.

On the other hand, this DOES seem like something the Exile community would try to keep track of on some level because they do have cultural memory of androids as terrifyingly dangerous creations (let alone Cell). @PoptartProdigy , if it's true that Garenhuld technology has fundamental robotics technology that is broadly comparable to that of Dr. Gero, or even superior, do the Exiles realize this, and how much do they know or think they know about the possibility of androids like Androids 16-20 being created? Is there a consensus on how long it would take to develop this technology given an opportunity? If so, why is this not a field of greater research? Even androids many orders of magnitude less powerful and sophisticated than the high-end androids of Dragonball Z would make armies of conventional soldiers like the ones we saw during the Tastreyan invasion of Aramaia practically obsolete.
 
Simon_Jester said:
Poptart said the technology wasn't militarized, and it bears remembering that Dr. Gero spent at least something like twenty or thirty years working on robotics technology, first for the Red Ribbon Army, then for himself. He didn't unleash the androids capable of performing at a super-saiyan level until the end of that period, and there was probably a reason for that.

On the other hand, this DOES seem like something the Exile community would try to keep track of on some level because they do have cultural memory of androids as terrifyingly dangerous creations (let alone Cell). @PoptartProdigy , if it's true that Garenhuld technology has fundamental robotics technology that is broadly comparable to that of Dr. Gero, or even superior, do the Exiles realize this, and how much do they know or think they know about the possibility of androids like Androids 16-20 being created? Is there a consensus on how long it would take to develop this technology given an opportunity? If so, why is this not a field of greater research? Even androids many orders of magnitude less powerful and sophisticated than the high-end androids of Dragonball Z would make armies of conventional soldiers like the ones we saw during the Tastreyan invasion of Aramaia practically obsolete.
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Even more importantly, Androids can not be detected with ki sense (yet). We could make an army of them without worry of the enemy sensing them.

We might have been better off never doing any combat training and just working on tinkering.
 
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fictionfan said:
Even more importantly, Androids can not be detected with ki sense (yet). We could make an army of them without worry of the enemy sensing them.

We might have been better off never doing any combat training and just working on tinkering.
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Where are you getting detailed info on the capabilities and limits of The Enemy?
 
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