fictionfan
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Because even if we went full tilt training our Dad is skill much better. We are better off freeing Jaffur and letting him deal with it.
Dragon Ball: After the End
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so you want to be a liability when it comes?
with that logic, why train our combat skills at all? why not just take the 1 ap "maintain skills" action and focus fully on social?
the answer: that is stupid. we need balance. and 2 ap working on combat is nowhere near enough when we just got told that a Major Threat is coming. and need i remind you what our Pacifist trait just got upgraded to?
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fictionfan
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There is a very thin range of threat level where our Dad or Jaffur can't deal with it and we can help. There is a reason why in the show they normally overcame foes by powering up instead of training their fighting skills. It only really makes sense here because of the power cap.
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Sucal
The Devil’s Cut
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We are currently stronger then Jaffur
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Protector [Foundational Trait]: Meerak forced you to confront the question of what kind of person you really are. It was a painful year, figuring out the answer, but now you have it. You have your powers so that you can keep people safe. Everybody. Even those who don't want to be. People who are working to hurt others need to be stopped, but that doesn't mean you need to sink to their level. At the end of the day, the wicked need to be stopped, but you aren't them -- and you won't become them. That might mean that you need to talk them down, or it might mean that you need to fight. So be it. But no matter what, you know one thing about yourself: Thou shalt not kill. You gain heavy vote weighting against the use of lethal force on sapient beings, and will never default to it of your own will, even against Hated Enemies. The use of lethal force will never be presented as a default option; the players must write such options in if they want them. However, Kakara now gains a moderate bonus on all checks made in service of actions taken to protect the lives or safety of others. You no longer encounter barriers or penalties to combat skill training. This trait may, still, be developed further...
your thoughts and our character's character do not coincide at all
fictionfan
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I will admit that I really do want to train Ki manipulation. Jaffur is still ahead of us there and we are the prodigy.
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Hm. While the vision MAY indicate the Enemy is coming straight for us... I'd like to get some direct information regarding what all the other Seers think they've seen. If the other Seers don't conclude en masse that we need to start powering up massively RIGHT THE HELL NOW, then it would probably be a bad idea for Kakara to personally buck the trend. In which case we should probably tie up loose ends and continue training in skills that may help us between now and the Enemy's (hopefully eventual, remote) arrival.
I'm calling this draft plan "Plan Training Montage" because at least 12 of the actions involve us training someone else, being trained by someone else, researching and perfecting our own skills, or studying new things.
I definitely want to take "A Scion's Stewardship," I just don't know which version to take- the human-facing one or the saiyan-facing one. In theory we could take both if, say, we sacrifice "Drama Club. Which might be a good idea. I mean, I'd still like to try "Drama Club," but we may not be able to spare the actions. Dunno.
I strongly advocate "Command Theory" because we may be the closest thing to a strategist the saiyans have, depending on what Berra, Apra, and Yammar know about tactics and military operations. It may also allow us to evolve into a 'saiyan generalship' role over time. I like that, because I think that will let us leverage our communications, negotiations, and ki skills in unexpected ways during wartime. It'll give us more chances to improve the situation by coordinating and motivating our allies, instead of just personally flying around punching things.
Most of the other choices are pretty well understood, or widely agreed on, or at least widely discussed with obvious reasons to approve or disapprove of them.
[k] Plan Training Montage
-[k] Maintain Grades
-[k] Better Living Through Ki
-[k] The Ship Has Been Sunk, Now Hand Out the Life Preservers
-[k] Out to the Club: Drama Club
-[k] Train Maya
--[k] Rise slowly to displayed power levels close to her maximum, and keep pacing her, to push her to excel and be safer in combat.
-[k] A Scion's Stewardship
--[?] Human-Facing or Saiyan-Facing? Not sure.
-[k] Command Theory
-[k] Train Tien Style
--[k] Train with Mom
-[k] Study Jaffur's Form
--[k] With Mato
-[k] Train With Sensei
-[k] Study Magic
-[k] Contact Jaffur
-[k] Research Project: Perfect Multiform
-[k] Transcendence
I'm calling this draft plan "Plan Training Montage" because at least 12 of the actions involve us training someone else, being trained by someone else, researching and perfecting our own skills, or studying new things.
I definitely want to take "A Scion's Stewardship," I just don't know which version to take- the human-facing one or the saiyan-facing one. In theory we could take both if, say, we sacrifice "Drama Club. Which might be a good idea. I mean, I'd still like to try "Drama Club," but we may not be able to spare the actions. Dunno.
I strongly advocate "Command Theory" because we may be the closest thing to a strategist the saiyans have, depending on what Berra, Apra, and Yammar know about tactics and military operations. It may also allow us to evolve into a 'saiyan generalship' role over time. I like that, because I think that will let us leverage our communications, negotiations, and ki skills in unexpected ways during wartime. It'll give us more chances to improve the situation by coordinating and motivating our allies, instead of just personally flying around punching things.
Most of the other choices are pretty well understood, or widely agreed on, or at least widely discussed with obvious reasons to approve or disapprove of them.
[k] Plan Training Montage
-[k] Maintain Grades
-[k] Better Living Through Ki
-[k] The Ship Has Been Sunk, Now Hand Out the Life Preservers
-[k] Out to the Club: Drama Club
-[k] Train Maya
--[k] Rise slowly to displayed power levels close to her maximum, and keep pacing her, to push her to excel and be safer in combat.
-[k] A Scion's Stewardship
--[?] Human-Facing or Saiyan-Facing? Not sure.
-[k] Command Theory
-[k] Train Tien Style
--[k] Train with Mom
-[k] Study Jaffur's Form
--[k] With Mato
-[k] Train With Sensei
-[k] Study Magic
-[k] Contact Jaffur
-[k] Research Project: Perfect Multiform
-[k] Transcendence
@PoptartProdigy : can we double-up by conducting Tien-style training and/or multiform research in Saiyan form?
What about reading Gemma in, at least on ki, and letting her determine the best human/tech/theory/random-brainstorm ideas for research and testing?
What about reading Gemma in, at least on ki, and letting her determine the best human/tech/theory/random-brainstorm ideas for research and testing?
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every seer had the exact same vision. every. single. one.
to quote the post: Something is coming.
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Why. Why would you want another potential threat big enough that it caused visions in every Seer on Garenhuld. Was the Enemy not enough for you?!
fictionfan
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I want to take advantage of ki prodigy. It is a bit embarrassing that Jaffur is still better than us 4 years latter.
Carrnage
Human
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Because The Enemy can kill Saiyan Gods.
Sucal
The Devil’s Cut
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Because then you can aim it at the Invaders and the Enemy
fictionfan
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It likely is not. We have reason to think that the Enemy blocks the sight. We would not see him coming.
The Enemy is blocked from our Sight, remember?
So logically, it's not the Enemy.
Speculation time: it's why there's no life anywhere nearby, and Garenhulders adopted an anti-curiosity culture.
I wouldn't. Our Command skill is the equal to their own, and the results of the action won't be shown until we actually use them in combat.
I'd drop this, as we'll be getting involved through the rest of the Misfits.
Don't think this is needed, we'd automatically seek her out.
Researching Perfect Multiform is unlikely provide any benefits for a quite a while. I'd prefer we shelve it.
Likewise with Transcendence.
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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How many times would we have to take Transcendence for success to be guaranteed? It occurs to me that that use of Ki Sense would be incredibly useful in finding the incoming fleet...
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So long as you're aware that by shelving it now it decreased the likelihood that we'll have it available for any kind of conflict related to the Sealing.
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fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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It should get us to the next level of multiform. Also we get bonuses for keeping up the training every year so multiform should get a bonus.
fictionfan
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4 to get over 50%.
Honestly? It erupting into armed conflict is a fail state.
So should training Tien style.
Or 3 over 2 years.
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Well, personally I'm advocating about five actions that could potentially make Kakara stronger in combat: Tien Style, Jaffur Form, Perfect Multiform, Train with Sensei, and Transcendence. Those last two are likely to help indirectly, because they may lead to ki-blocking or exotic ki-manipulation tactics, possibly including battlefield control abilities or ways to shut down our enemies' power without having to beat them half to death in the process.
I'm also advocating three actions that will help us raise up other powerful allies who, given several years, may well grow to be about as strong as us, or even stronger.
-Command training helps us organize and coordinate the masses of other saiyans. In a worst case "go to hell" scenario, that could include coordinating massed attacks by waves of freshly transformed super-saiyans, though we'd have to be really desperate to try to make that happen.
-Getting through to Jaffur helps directly; Jaffur is an inspired and very skillful warrior. Even if he's lost a few years of training, the sooner we bust him out, the stronger an ally he'll be when our real enemies show up.
-Training Maya helps with that, because if Maya gets stronger for another couple of years at the same rate as in the last couple of years, she's going to be pushing up into levels only super-saiyans can normally reach. She'll probably be a significant member of the "AE fighters" if we confront powerful future enemies, alongside at least Kakara and Jaffur.
We know they can't stay in space long enough to find a whole new planet to settle. That does NOT mean they cannot, for example, contact other people around the galaxy and communicate with them. And it does not mean that if we shatter the fleet, no individuals or small groups with exceptionally fast (or well-maintained) ships will escape our attack.
Because realistically, think about how strong we need to be in order to defeat the Big Bad via raw combat power.
If the Big Bad is any normal, non-Enemy entity, we have a pretty good shot of beating them unless they are, say, significantly stronger than Perfect Cell. That's certainly possible, but it's not exactly likely or certain. We can try to refine our awareness of this through cross-checking between other Seers and figure out what to do.
If the Big Bad is the Enemy... no amount of combat training we can cram into a few years is going to make us a match for them. The Enemy hacked through Super Saiyan Blue Gohan. Who was not only too weak to defeat the Enemy, he knew he was too weak and self-destructed in an attempt to take the Enemy with him. And that didn't work. And that was after polishing off a god-tier Piccolo, plus various other Z fighters, as a warmup. Honestly, I don't think we're going to stop the Enemy just by powering up ourselves. A horde of massively powered-up saiyans might be able to do that, maybe.
But in that case we need a consensus in favor of powering up. Not a situation where the moment we hit Super-Saiyan Two, everyone decides we've gone crazy. Because THAT ends with Kakara's father and grandmother and Yammar all ganging up on her, while rampaging oozarus with kaio-kens on vomit energy blasts and throw barrels and Destructo Disks at her.
Hell, Berra is the designated specialist among the royals when it comes to taking on opponents that 'cheat' their way to terrifying power using known power-boosting techniques like oozaru and kaio-ken. Which means that if it comes to a fight between freshly transformed SSJ2 Kakara and the 'old order' of the Exile community, the point man in that fight is going to be Kakara's own father, who is quite likely to be coming at her with (to his horror) intent to kill.
I don't want to face that, and frankly if Poptart has created a situation where we have to face that in order to win, Poptart has made the quest unwinnable. I'm hoping they wouldn't do that.
I don't think dealing with that prospect is worth it.
You're probably right. And yet... and yet... well. Suffice to say that if, purely hypothetically, we had reason to think we'd somehow gotten intelligence on the Enemy's activities via the Sight... we would feel really, really stupid if it turned out we'd ignored this intelligence because "logically" we couldn't get any information on the Enemy via Sight. "The Enemy blocks the Sight, therefore we can never learn anything from it" is a conjecture, not a certainty.
The entire point of taking command training is to refine our tactical skills beyond the (fairly limited) level that our fellow royals have achieved. We're the best the Garenhuld Exiles have right now, but that doesn't mean there isn't considerable room for improvement. And we know we'll have opportunities to test the benefits of that training and study on the battlefield within the next year or two, when the alien army arrives.
Put this way. We're training the Misfits because we want them to be able to survive in a war zone by being, say, tough enough to survive a building falling on them.
We're training Maya because she's getting stronger so fast that she juuuuust might be able to solo the entire enemy fleet by herself by the time it arrives.
These are very different motivations, and I don't want to do anything that forces Maya to grow more slowly in power level. Among other things because our maximum allowed power level is likely to be capped at or below her power level, so the stronger she gets, the better our chance of getting through this invasion in one piece and being able to protect everyone else.
It may be unneeded, but it's harmless, and I want to explicitly spell out that yes, we're willing to admit to Mom that we've been practicing Multiform for a while.
Uh.... weren't we getting pretty close to a breakthrough? Not all the way there, but close? People are yelling at us for not taking enough combat techniques; Perfect Multiform is possibly the single strongest combat multiplier we could possibly acquire.
Transcendence is the key to entirely unknown categories of abilities. Leaving that key on the shelf, when we can pursue it at relatively low cost and when (unlike pursuing the higher transformations) it breaks no law of our people, strikes me as a very bad idea.
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fictionfan
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How hard is it to get those one day passes from the afterlife? If we could have some people talk to Goku, Vegeta and Gohan then come back we could get a lot of useful information.
No. Perfect Multiform requires Elite. We're nearly at Exceptional.
Basically, for Perfect Multiform, we have to research it to unlock it, then we have to train it with multiple action. I'm expecting 6 actions over 4 years, minimum.
Transcendence is training our Ki Sense to Elite. It won't open an entirely new "category" of abilities to my knowledge.
Very, with the first hurdle being contacting the afterlife, making the one day pass rather irrelevant. We can do it, once we've improved our skill with the Sight.
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fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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We might have to drop drama club.
Cariyaga
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fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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Ok what actions do all the current plans have in common? Need to figure out what needs arguing.