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Researching Perfect Multiform is the same as last year, just getting us up to Exceptional Multiform to get that extra action, with the added bonus of unlocking Elite Multiform. (Training Tien Style is likely to focus more heavily on "catching up" with the style's other skills than Multiform, so I'd rather put an action specifically into it to make sure we get it.) Irritated we had to drop it last year - we could really use the extra action.

Transcendence is just super neat. We probably won't get it this year, but we don't desperately need it and it's not holding other skills or actions back, so we can roll the dice on two actions this year and if we don' get it just give it an action every year until we roll well enough against a decreasing DC.
I've already mentioned, but I'm opposed aiming for Perfect Multiform right now. It'll take too long, for too little pay-off currently.

Same with Transcendence. They're both neat, and we'll want them long-term, but right now, we have other things to do.
Researching BTLK: I don't think Poptart ever confirmed that researching BLTK would give us another action - in fact, didn't they say that it wouldn't do so? I also don't think we need to brush up on it for the blogging action. Kakara's a smart girl, if she runs out of things to blog about she'll presumably spend action-time thinking up more.

A SS [Saiyan]: I think that taking both is too much. We just have too much going on and we're only expected to take part in one. I don't really think going for both is worth it, and the Human side looks more interesting.
Researching it for an additional action isn't really the point. Developing Ki usage in a non-combative function is.

And I disagree. Now that I know we can take both, I think we kinda have to, as the benefits are too big not to.
PR as in it makes us look normalish to our schoolmates, not the public at large. You know, the guys we interact with everyday? It is supposed to be local.
Local PR will effect global PR.
I think this is an unnecessary shadowrun that eats up an action for no gain. We've had no indications that we've been compromised, and I sincerely doubt that Dandeer is that much of a mastermind. If she had a mole inside of the conspiracy, she'd be acting very differently, and she'd have Berra acting differently too - namely, she'd have him mind delve us and take all the information they'd need, and he'd shut down the conspiracy now before we're ready. What does she gain from letting us continue organising and preparing?

No, I think Dandeer is a sad, desperate woman who broke under the constant abuse of her husband and did some awful things to try and escape that situation - and then did them to Jaffur too, out of fear that he'd turn into his father (let's face it, he already had a temper and was very poorly socialised). I don't think she's secretly puppeting Berra, and I think that jumping at shadows that aren't there is a waste of an action at a time when we're already action-starved.
Probably, but you should never assume with this sort of thing, that leads to bad things. If it turns out to be unnecessary? Excellent, we have no problems. If it is required? Excellent, we've nipped it in the bud.
 
I agree with @Deathbybunnies . If Dandeer were a secret super-mastermind in control of everything including a conspiracy she could not easily have foreseen, and most of whose members are either super-saiyans or members of a family whose location is a total secret to everyone and who have one of the few sorcerors on the planet capable of matching her power, we wouldn't have a conspiracy anymore. Not with Berra willing to bust it wide open.

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I would like to point out that completely dropping the Perfect Multiform research project sounds like a really bad idea. I've seen a lot of plan drafts that do that.

Basically, Perfect Multiform takes Multiform from a technique that is only useful to fight weak opponents and improve our action economy, and turns it into a massively useful technique against even the strongest opponents.

I fully recognize that we're going to have to keep investing an action or two in it for quite some time. But if we restrict ourselves to developing ONLY skills that we can rapidly improve in so that we master everything in one or two actions, we're going to be in a bad situation overall, because we'll have lots of things that we're "meh" at, but none that we're truly good at. Which means that no matter which of our many techniques we use in combat against a serious opponent, we are likely to always be at a disadvantage, because we'll be opposing their master-class skills with apprentice or journeyman-level skills.

I think that we really do need to invest a reasonably fraction of our Action Points (say, 10-20% over the long term) simply into developing a workable set of battle tactics. Picking a version of this that has desirable synergies with 'non-combat' life is great, that's what pushed us down the road to Tien Style and Multiform in the first place. But we still need to make it work, and it's noteworthy that Tien didn't use his Multiform in combat more than once or twice, precisely because it's ineffective against a strong opponent due to the way the power level division works.

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@KaintukeeBob ...

I very much don't want to give up training Maya. She's very likely to be a lifelong ally of Karen/Kakara, and we know her on a level Berra doesn't. And while Berra's too good a person to view her as just a tool, and clearly cares about her welfare, she's not a friend to him.

Furthermore, she's very likely to continue rising in power alongside the power level of our enemies, to the point where she remains able to help us well into the future, so she's going to be part of our team. Not just a soldier in Berra's army.

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@Gore17 ...

I don't like the idea of spending an action on a purely speculative concern that we have zero evidence that we need to worry about.

We could easily dream up ten or twelve actions we could take as precautions against imagined threats, and maybe a few of those precautions would even prove valuable in the future- but we'd totally cripple ourselves in the process, because we'd spend so many actions looking out for secret traitors and secret mind control and "but wait, what if she mind-controlled the sorceror we used to check for mind control" and secret Garenhulder sorceror conspiracies... We'd never grow, we'd never learn any useful skills. We'd be stuck with the powers and skills of a twelve year old child, just a very paranoid twelve year old child.

I'm not sure we should privilege "what if Dandeer has secret mind-controlled spies in a conspiracy she would have every reason to break wide open if she could do so" over the many many other imagined threats we could think of. If they don't deserve a whole Action Point worth of precautions, I don't think this does either.

Furthermore, I find it very disagreeable for us to spend Action Points on short-term security against speculative threats, that would have to be renewed every year to keep us safe (since nothing stops Dandeer from putting mind control hexes on people later after we've already swept them for bugs). Especially in a year where we seem so hard up for actions that people are willing to abandon long term projects that promise to provide Kakara with extraordinary, breakthrough capabilities like Perfect Multiform and Transcendence.
 
A question on the tutoring action, would the chance of success be higher if we make it a point to ask our mom for advice?

A teacher teaching us teaching should be interesting.:p

Also we've been teaching Maya for a while now. Haven't we picked up anything?
Kakara will ask by default, but the odds of success are still lower. And you have; now that the players are contemplating teaching more than just the one person, the skill level is going to come out of hiding.
[X] Plan 'HOLY FUCK That was a a DRAGON'
- [X] Maintain Grades
- [X] The Ship Has Been Sunk, Now Hand Out the Life Preservers
- [X] Better Living through Ki
- [X] My Best Friend - Maya
- [X] Training Maya
- [X] A Scion's Stewardship, Human-Facing
- [X] A Scion's Stewardship
- [X] Socialize! - Maya
- [X] Set the Record Straight
- [X] Contacting Jaffur
- [X] Transcendence
- [X] Transcendence
- [X] Transcendence

Because that was a DRAGON during that vision. or at least it was reptilian
Moratorium.
Actually, another reason. @PoptartProdigy this action includes Jaron as part of the Misfits, right?
Yes.
 
See, here, you're underestimating her-like this quest's been doing this entire time. The reason there are no indications of being compromised is because Kakara has avoided looking, full stop. If we actually looked, well then we'd settle this question once and for all.

Probably, but you should never assume with this sort of thing, that leads to bad things. If it turns out to be unnecessary? Excellent, we have no problems. If it is required? Excellent, we've nipped it in the bud.
It's more than that there's no indications, it's that the way she's acted and has had Berra acting - because if she's mind-controlled a mole in the conspiracy, it doesn't make sense for her not to do the same to the guy everything she has relies on and speaks to privately on a regular basis - make absolutely no sense. Why has the conspiracy been allowed to get as far as it has? Why hasn't Berra gone and confronted the Senzu with their monopoly of Senzu beans, as he is lawfully able to do, cutting off the only other master sorcerer and real threat to her supposed sorcerous ways that is literally about to start teaching Jaffur how to break free of his Seal, the whole point of her doing this?

It's not even just pure speculation, it's pure speculation that doesn't make sense.
 
[] Plan NEVER SLACK
-[] School
-[] School
-[] School
-[] Tien Style
-[] Tien Style
-[] Drama Club
-[] Drama Club
-[] Contact Jaffur
-[] Train the Misfits in ki
-[] A Scion's Stewardship, Human-Facing
-[] A Scion's Stewardship, Human-Facing
-[] A Scion's Stewardship, Saiyan-Facing
-[] A Scion's Stewardship, Saiyan-Facing
-[] Transcendence
-[] Transcendence
-[] Perfect Multiform

This plan is 16 actions. It does everything I want.
 
Why hasn't Berra gone and confronted the Senzu with their monopoly of Senzu beans, as he is lawfully able to do
Wait, what?

In two parts:
  1. He hasn't because they're in hiding, remember?
  2. "Lawfully able?"
[] Plan NEVER SLACK
-[] School
-[] School
-[] School
-[] Tien Style
-[] Tien Style
-[] Drama Club
-[] Drama Club
-[] Contact Jaffur
-[] Train the Misfits in ki
-[] A Scion's Stewardship, Human-Facing
-[] A Scion's Stewardship, Human-Facing
-[] A Scion's Stewardship, Saiyan-Facing
-[] A Scion's Stewardship, Saiyan-Facing
-[] Transcendence
-[] Transcendence
-[] Perfect Multiform

This plan is 16 actions. It does everything I want.
Taking Human- and Saiyan-facing twice each will waste the repeats, as will double drama club.
 
[] Plan NEVER SLACK
-[] School
-[] School
-[] School
-[] Tien Style
-[] Tien Style
-[] Drama Club
-[] Drama Club
-[] Contact Jaffur
-[] Train the Misfits in ki
-[] A Scion's Stewardship, Human-Facing
-[] A Scion's Stewardship, Human-Facing
-[] A Scion's Stewardship, Saiyan-Facing
-[] A Scion's Stewardship, Saiyan-Facing
-[] Transcendence
-[] Transcendence
-[] Perfect Multiform

This plan is 16 actions. It does everything I want.
For an awful moment before I remembered Drama Club is a social action, I thought you'd put together a plan that involved less social than mine. I was wondering if you'd been hacked.

In two parts:
  1. He hasn't because they're in hiding, remember?
  2. "Lawfully able?"
1. This is running with the hypothesis that the conspiracy has been compromised and Dandeer has the location of the Senzu hideout.
2. It's not the prettiest sentence I've ever constructed, but I mostly wanted to emphasise that if he knows where they are there's nothing restricting him from going and getting them.
 
1. This is running with the hypothesis that the conspiracy has been compromised and Dandeer has the location of the Senzu hideout.
2. It's not the prettiest sentence I've ever constructed, but I mostly wanted to emphasise that if he knows where they are there's nothing restricting him from going and getting them.
  1. Ah, gotcha.
  2. I see. Your sentence implied that he had lawful cause to break their Senzu monopoly, which he does not.
 
It's more than that there's no indications, it's that the way she's acted and has had Berra acting - because if she's mind-controlled a mole in the conspiracy, it doesn't make sense for her not to do the same to the guy everything she has relies on and speaks to privately on a regular basis - make absolutely no sense. Why has the conspiracy been allowed to get as far as it has? Why hasn't Berra gone and confronted the Senzu with their monopoly of Senzu beans, as he is lawfully able to do, cutting off the only other master sorcerer and real threat to her supposed sorcerous ways that is literally about to start teaching Jaffur how to break free of his Seal, the whole point of her doing this?

It's not even just pure speculation, it's pure speculation that doesn't make sense.
Because the speculation isn't "she's mind-controlling them 24/7", it's "they might have mental triggers installed". Doesn't require her to be aware of the conspiracy. Literally no one thinks that anyway remotely likely.

And note my wording for the vote. The action isn't just for Dandeer, but to check the loyalty of everyone involved. Is someone having second thoughts, or thinking about throwing us under a bus?
 
Because the speculation isn't "she's mind-controlling them 24/7", it's "they might have mental triggers installed". Doesn't require her to be aware of the conspiracy. Literally no one thinks that anyway remotely likely.

And note my wording for the vote. The action isn't just for Dandeer, but to check the loyalty of everyone involved. Is someone having second thoughts, or thinking about throwing us under a bus?
We're getting even more high-speculation on the mind control front then. If you really feel strongly about it, maybe take the Study Magic option and we can revisit it next year, with a better idea of what's possible?

As for traitors, remember we have the Seers onboard - I'm pretty sure they'll have done some checking on that exact subject, because other people are allowed to be smart too.
 
Basically, I don't want to overinvest in any one thing, except in the general principle of training up our skills, preparing ourselves as a leadership figure, and getting strong enough to do the job of a Lady in our society.

Kakara's getting old enough that she needs to keep working seriously on an approximation of her adult fighting style; just being the gentle girl who won't train in combat except at a bare minimum is unlikely to cut it. Even if being 'gentle girl' gets us lots and lots of friends, that isn't going to help us against our biggest threats unless those friends are powerful enough to cope with the big threats, and unless we personally are powerful enough to lead the way. Looking forward, that requires us to cultivate the skills we expect to use in a fight, even if they're only a small fraction of our overall actions.

[This is mirror image to how Jaffur, if he were alive and free, would be deeply in trouble if he weren't upgrading his social and political skills to at least 'adequate' levels to govern his people. He might very well have succeeded in his ambition to kill Lord Vegeta by now, but that wouldn't make it safe.]

Because the speculation isn't "she's mind-controlling them 24/7", it's "they might have mental triggers installed". Doesn't require her to be aware of the conspiracy. Literally no one thinks that anyway remotely likely.

And note my wording for the vote. The action isn't just for Dandeer, but to check the loyalty of everyone involved. Is someone having second thoughts, or thinking about throwing us under a bus?
We're not in a great position to check the loyalty of everyone, among other things because we can't have anyone but Dandelor checking up on the Senzus. Well, we could maybe throw a few Seer visions at it or something, but we'd be relying heavily on Dandelor to cast Detect Magic for us, so to speak.

Also, "mental triggers" are if anything more unlikely than ongoing mental influence, in my opinion. Dandeer has good reason to worry about some of her political opponents within Clan Vegeta. Especially Yammar who has a proven track record of power and ruthlessness and has threatened her with death in perhaps the most terrifying way imaginable (given her super-saiyan related PTSD).

Her planting mind-affecting bugs in some of them would actually make a lot of sense, because she has strong, day to day incentives to know what they're thinking and gain some influence over them. She almost certainly can't do that with the Senzus, because she wouldn't have known she needed to before the Sealing, and because since the Sealing the Senzus are bottled up with a master sorceror who is not an idiot and has had four years to sweep his family for bugs.

But 'doomsday triggers?' She's shown no signs of apocalyptic mindset. Indeed, she seems worse at thinking in terms of apocalyptic problems than average; it's why she doesn't seem to grasp that Jaron/Jaffur isn't safe Sealed away and ignorant of ki in a world where the alien invasion and other future dangers are a thing. Everything we've seen about her suggests that she's a danger because of her short-term abilities, not because she's got nested layers of plans within plans within plans. Her first-order plans are almost certainly better and more likely to exist than her "go to hell" plans.

Again, we have zero evidence for Dandeer having secret time bombs buried in the heads of various prominent members of saiyan society. It is a threat we entirely conceived ourselves without support from the outside world. We don't even know if it's possible to do that! To get a sense of what magic can and cannot do, we should be pursuing "Study Magic," which is part of my "Plan Training Montage." Not just shooting in the dark.
 
Are there any Goku sorcerers? I know the talent is rare, but we've only ever heard of Vegetan ones.

Maybe we could convince Dad that our duties as Scion require some magical education (from a Goku mage) and we can get some basic magical ed from our Scion duties?

Have to admit, I was not expecting you all to go the route you're, in general, going. Always cool to be surprised.

What route did you expect?
 
We're not in a great position to check the loyalty of everyone, among other things because we can't have anyone but Dandelor checking up on the Senzus. Well, we could maybe throw a few Seer visions at it or something, but we'd be relying heavily on Dandelor to cast Detect Magic for us, so to speak.

Also, "mental triggers" are if anything more unlikely than ongoing mental influence, in my opinion. Dandeer has good reason to worry about some of her political opponents within Clan Vegeta. Especially Yammar who has a proven track record of power and ruthlessness and has threatened her with death in perhaps the most terrifying way imaginable (given her super-saiyan related PTSD).

Her planting mind-affecting bugs in some of them would actually make a lot of sense, because she has strong, day to day incentives to know what they're thinking and gain some influence over them. She almost certainly can't do that with the Senzus, because she wouldn't have known she needed to before the Sealing, and because since the Sealing the Senzus are bottled up with a master sorceror who is not an idiot and has had four years to sweep his family for bugs.

But 'doomsday triggers?' She's shown no signs of apocalyptic mindset. Indeed, she seems worse at thinking in terms of apocalyptic problems than average; it's why she doesn't seem to grasp that Jaron/Jaffur isn't safe Sealed away and ignorant of ki in a world where the alien invasion and other future dangers are a thing. Everything we've seen about her suggests that she's a danger because of her short-term abilities, not because she's got nested layers of plans within plans within plans. Her first-order plans are almost certainly better and more likely to exist than her "go to hell" plans.

Again, we have zero evidence for Dandeer having secret time bombs buried in the heads of various prominent members of saiyan society. It is a threat we entirely conceived ourselves without support from the outside world. We don't even know if it's possible to do that! To get a sense of what magic can and cannot do, we should be pursuing "Study Magic," which is part of my "Plan Training Montage." Not just shooting in the dark.
We're running a very tenuous conspiracy. By all rights, we should be taking such actions every year.

It doesn't matter if it's unlikely, it's a vital security measure. But fine. Here's my third suggested plan.

[ ] Plan I've Run Out of Easily Remembered Suitable References
-[ ] Attend School
--[ ] Tutoring (2 actions)
-[ ] Better Living Through Ki (1 action)
-[ ] The Ship Has Been Sunk, Now Hand Out the Life Preservers (1 action)
-[ ] Out to Club (2 actions)
--[ ] Drama Club
-[ ] Socialize! (1 action)
--[ ] Fenella
-[ ] A Scion's Stewardship, Human-Facing (2 actions)
-[ ] Train Style [Tien] (1 action)
-[ ] Train With Sensei (1 action)
-[ ] A Scion's Stewardship (2 actions)
-[ ] Contacting Jaffur (1 action)
-[ ] Research Project [Perfect Multiform] (1 action)
-[ ] The Examined Life (1 action)
--[ ] Ambitious

Examined Life (Ambitious) has been taken, in hopes that next turn, we'll have 18 actions to take. Won't solve the issue any more then previous AP increases have, but it'll help stem the bleeding.
Have to admit, I was not expecting you all to go the route you're, in general, going. Always cool to be surprised.
What did you expect of us?
 
Ok... why are people suspecting Dandeer of having someone, mind controlled or not, inside of the conspiracy? Grandma and Yammar are handling the recruiting and they have a lot more experience than us and even if they didn't, we have a bunch of seers constantly scrying to see if there is a threat for said conspiracy already.
 
I've already mentioned, but I'm opposed aiming for Perfect Multiform right now. It'll take too long, for too little pay-off currently.
The current payoff is kind of irrelevant (though nailing down that fourth Multiform clone is not exactly small potatoes). The long-term payoff is that when an opponent powerful enough to actually challenge Kakara at her full power shows up, several years down the road... we have an ace in the hole.

Same with Transcendence. They're both neat, and we'll want them long-term, but right now, we have other things to do.
We do, but a lot of those are less urgent than getting a start on our 'big' abilities. Not more urgent.

Probably, but you should never assume with this sort of thing, that leads to bad things. If it turns out to be unnecessary? Excellent, we have no problems. If it is required? Excellent, we've nipped it in the bud.
Okay, but what if next year I can think of three different nasty things for Dandeer to do, each of which requires a counter-action? And five or six more the year after that? At what point do we stop spending actions on purely speculative searches to defeat precautions Dandeer might hypothetically have taken, in the absence of evidence to indicate which of those precautions she actually took? How much of our time and life will this eat up?

In the long run we'd be better off splurging actions on defeating the Seal as fast as possible.

At a bare minimum, this year we'd be better off taking Study Magic so we have at least some idea of the facts about what Dandeer can and cannot do to people. It'll be easier to build consensus around precautions against a known threat than a purely speculative threat.
 
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