- Location
- Australia
So we can still allow her to be beaten to the point of near death and thrown in a dark hole to rot away in for all eternity?
Dragon Ball: After the End
The Enemy uses magic. It was stated in-quest, and confirmed in the RP. They use Void Magic, which turned out to be a spectacularly bad idea from a moral and sanity perspective, but is a really great one if all you care about is killing everything deader then dead.
- Location
- Australia
Speaking of the bitch, what's our plan for if she suddenly turns up and is like "I'm gonna seal you away/brainwash you so you won't stop me"? Going Super Saiyan and smashing her won't work because she expects that. Maybe if we're in Multiform when that happens we'll be fine, but there's no guarantee that we'll be in Multiform nor is there a guarantee that that would protect us. Solar Flare is too obvious and would see it coming, just like Super Saiyan.
I'm thinking either Telepathy or Telekinesis. With Telepathy, we can assault her with a psychic mind screech loud enough to disrupt whatever mental processes she's going under, preventing her from doing stuff. With Telekinesis, we can just grab her brain and pull on it.
If she's set some kind of trap that'll prevent us from using ki on her - or perhaps using ki on her at all - then what do we do? Great Ape might help but the transformation takes too long and we'd need to look at a full moon. Maybe if we can somehow turn her into a Great Ape with a Power Ball but I don't think that's likely.
She probably won't expect a magical defence from us. Masques are magical, so we may be able to slip into one. In that case, our Saiyan form would be our only hope as it'll give us a different, biologically-backed mentality to our hybrid/pure human forms and that may disrupt whatever mind-affecting magic she's trying to weave on us.
I'm thinking either Telepathy or Telekinesis. With Telepathy, we can assault her with a psychic mind screech loud enough to disrupt whatever mental processes she's going under, preventing her from doing stuff. With Telekinesis, we can just grab her brain and pull on it.
If she's set some kind of trap that'll prevent us from using ki on her - or perhaps using ki on her at all - then what do we do? Great Ape might help but the transformation takes too long and we'd need to look at a full moon. Maybe if we can somehow turn her into a Great Ape with a Power Ball but I don't think that's likely.
She probably won't expect a magical defence from us. Masques are magical, so we may be able to slip into one. In that case, our Saiyan form would be our only hope as it'll give us a different, biologically-backed mentality to our hybrid/pure human forms and that may disrupt whatever mind-affecting magic she's trying to weave on us.
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fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
I don't think that is part of the seer powerset, but we have already shown our ability to project our mind past the seal.
Well, to our knowledge, Berra isn't actually that hot with Ki usage:
He's okay to pretty good, but not outstanding overall*. Though that is partially because of a lack of focused training with it. And, of course, the above is probably a bit out of date.
*Overall being the key word.
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- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
Right.
I guess what I'm trying to argue for is for us to accept that it was a very natural, reasonable evolution of Kakara's character for her to decide "nobody deserves to die, not even Dandeer who I really hate." This isn't something we should be sweating over finding a way to circumvent it. It's a consistent and logical consequence of the way we've played the character, and we should be happy to have played a character this consistently.
"Kill Dandeer" is not actually a checkbox that somehow 'needs' to be checked off for this quest to be a success. I'm not comfortable tr
I'm not even saying you disagree with what I'm saying here, I'm just trying to explain myself.
I am willfully ignoring the RP and would rather quit the quest than have to rely on an entirely different game in order to adequately understand the one I'm playing.
That said, there is a distinction between an enemy who 'uses magic' but can still be significantly weakened by ki blocking, versus an enemy whose nature is so entirely magical that ki blocking is ineffective against them. As I understand the rules... Dandeer, for instance, would be a lot less of a tactical threat after a round of ki blocking, because even if she retained her sorcery powers, she'd probably lose the subjective time compression and be unable to fight back effectively against ki-using opponents at high power levels.
The Enemy might well be utterly unaffected by this, by contrast, and have entirely different mechanisms for doing things any saiyan would do with ki. We don't know, at least without bringing in massive spoilers from the RP that I for one would rather quit than deal with.
Conversely, she could be one hell of an asset in future story arcs if we somehow win her over and reconcile her. The more 'ridiculous hax' power we attribute to her, and some people are attributing a lot... the more reason we have to want to stabilize her, calm her down, and convince her to just change her mind.
Ability to predict that someone will do something isn't the same as ability to counter it. Remember how terrified Dandeer was of us when we went super-saiyan in front of her? Remember all the times she didn't cast the Sealing or something like it to stop Lord Vegeta from beating her half to death while in super-saiyan form? Remember what happened immediately after Jaffur defeated Berra during the prologue, when Dandeer tried ineffectively to cast the Sealing on Jaffur and got knocked on her ass? Remember the lengths Dandeer went to to get a super-saiyan to restrain Jaffur so that the Sealing could be cast at all?
It takes her considerable subjective time to cast a Sealing-type spell. Super-saiyans move stupidly fast, especially compared to an ordinary saiyan whose power level is merely low-to-middling like Dandeer's. For that matter, even Kakara's base form (now) is stronger than Jaffur was (then).
Furthermore, Kakara specifically can power up very, very fast, due to her extremely good ki manipulation.
What I'm saying is, he has solid aptitude for it. Granted, not 'prodigy' talent, but aptitude.
He'd probably be better at it if he weren't deliberately cultivating the Goku Style, which is explicitly described as penalizing all ki techniques aside from Goku's handful of signature tactics.
- Location
- Australia
Yes, and because of all that, she will make preparations. It will not be a spur of the moment thing and she'll have time to prepare. My theorising is about what we should do if - after a sufficient amount of time planning and preparing - she makes her move to neutralise us as a threat. It's important not to forget that context.
Lunaryon
Dual Aurora Wave
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Instant Transmission is a skill we have that she doesn't. We can sense the entire planet. I'm not sure what kind of plan she can built to counter that,
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
I would personally hate if we were to get Dandeer killed, through action or inaction -- my own philosophy is not dissimilar to Kakara's.
e: That said, given the Protector trait... can I put forth the idea again, of talking to Dandeer next year? Not trying to get her to change her mind on the topic of the sealing or anything, but to make Kakara's priorities apparent. It's showing a weakness in part, but I think that expressing herself to Dandeer now might make it significantly easier later to get a resolution that doesn't involve her death.
e: That said, given the Protector trait... can I put forth the idea again, of talking to Dandeer next year? Not trying to get her to change her mind on the topic of the sealing or anything, but to make Kakara's priorities apparent. It's showing a weakness in part, but I think that expressing herself to Dandeer now might make it significantly easier later to get a resolution that doesn't involve her death.
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- Location
- Somewhere on Earth
She's had us before, when she was with us in an enclosed room hidden from ki senses, or before that, when she was stealthy enough for us not to even notice her when we were trying to practice Jaffur's style, wouldn't even need to figure out how to neutralize a SS level of power when a building coated in runes could barely achieve that, or heck, just get us when we're asleep, it has to happen sometime.
Like, she's evil and dangerous enough to be capable of planning against and figuring out countermeasures to all these hypothetical possibilities, but why not just target us from halfway across the world if she's skilled enough to negate an SS amount of ki, or protect perfectly against a solar flare?
But, if she's negated our ki, shortened the chant to under a few seconds, perfected it so neither our family, friends or an actual seer would notice, blocked our seer abilities, stopped us from moving or using any of our abilities except telepathy or telekinesis, and gotten the drop on us, then we might need to plan for more offensive measures, yes.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
The hall is the project of 300 years of Sorceresses. It has been improved for all that time and been a focus of reasorces. It think they can be used as an example of what can be done with saiyan magic. A showcase of the largest of works.
We can break those wards by going Golden monkey.
We can break those wards by going Golden monkey.
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Magic requires line-of-sight.
- Location
- Somewhere on Earth
Oh, that's interesting, any range limitations other than line of sight?
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
Too bad we don't know any guided ki attacks. We could blast her from the other side of the planet. We can sense her.
Carrnage
Human
- Location
- New Zealand
Sorcery isn't exactly prestigious for saiyans so and the amount of sorcerors is rather small so i don't think that halls have actually been developed as much as they could be.
- Location
- Somewhere
...time to learn some Yamcha style for that sweet Spirit Ball?...
Indeed. I mean, Clan Vegeta has 2 official magic users, despite logically having around ~7,500 with the potential.
And if there are more then 500 in Clan Goku, I'll be surprised.
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Bakkasama
There is always a greater fool
- Location
- Buenos Aires, Argentina
- Pronouns
- He/his
DUDE! Not cool. We don't know that ICand some of us want to keep the RP info from affecting the quest. At least put it in a spoiler box.
That one is manually controled. Krilin was the Z fighter with the ki lock targeting ki attacks (which he used in the 23rd tournament and to kill most saibaimen)
ChildishChimera
A umbran summon
- Location
- New York
Guys can we tone down the murder boner for Dander it's getting creepy how much you want it. It's kinda twisting from a side goal that might happen to something some of you need to happen. I don't mind the hate but it's becoming obsessive
- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
OKAY! New spoiler policy: RP STUFF GOES IN THE SPOILER BOXES. I've given my word to limit cross-pollination specifically to avoid issues with those who don't want a crossover. If you want to share knowledge or info from the RP, please do so in clearly-labelled spoiler boxes. I will update the front page with this.
That said...I get the impression that you may have misread the trait. You do realize it also says that the players can write in lethal force, if at a heavy vote weighting penalty, right? It's not like it's impossible.
I just decided it should be a flaw. And I thought it would be funny.
By the sheerest of technicalities, yes, that is an option available to you.
That said...I get the impression that you may have misread the trait. You do realize it also says that the players can write in lethal force, if at a heavy vote weighting penalty, right? It's not like it's impossible.
Sucal
The Devil’s Cut
- Location
- Bottom of the barrel
The Team Sorcerer has a drinking problem.
Two hands, one mouth.
Two hands, one mouth.
- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Sure thing.
Sucal
The Devil’s Cut
- Location
- Bottom of the barrel
I try.
Though more seriously people, spoilers or no spoilers. Due to the nature of the RP, Time Travel and the massive bunch of Unreliable Narrators involved, even if someone flat out states something as exposition, don't consider it Quest canon until its explicitly been said by Poptart OOC. Seven people can see the same event 9 different ways and manage to draw 50 different conclusions from the same information, filtered through their own bias, perception, view and mood at the time.
Certain characters might consider the Void magic, but thats because they have a habit of seeing everything as magic or magic derived. Others might think its some kind of mutation or gift, because everything they dealt with has been mutation based.
Unless you feel like going to ask them in person, you won't get a straight answer.
Even then the Void might take many forms
Unless you feel like going to ask them in person, you won't get a straight answer.
Even then the Void might take many forms
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