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Dragon Ball: After the End

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Given how so far post sealing things have gone remarkable well for Dad/us politically, I wonder if the seers arranged this whole thing. Or maybe the legendary Sorceror Seer.
 
Simon_Jester said:
Speaking from a position of total ignorance, having not seen either of the episodes in question...

Basically, I for one do not know the difference between this hypothetical electrocution attack, and a taser. A taser causes both paralysis and pain, and its long term ability to secure compliance comes from both temporarily removing the subject's ability to move, and hurting enough that they will not want to be tased again. It would probably be 'kosher' for Kakara to use a taser or a ki ability that caused no more pain than a taser does.

I infer, from your reaction, that Roshi's technique is much more painful and torturous than a taser?
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It's been awhile since I read that chunk of the manga but, assuming I recall correctly, it is a complete lockdown that, apparently, does not actually meaningfully weaken it's target and is explicitly meant to get the foe to give up under the threat that Roshi won't turn it off till you do and it's super pain.

It's also, like, supposed to be lethal if held too long as I recall?

But if I recall correctly Roshi drops it because he thinks he's about to kill Goku and, oh, it doesn't seem to have meaningfully weakened Goku.

There's all but no possible moral use for the technique as originally seen, unless I am badly misremembering.
 
Aranfan said:
IIRC, Goku actually is about to give up when he sees the moon and the transformation breaks him out of the technique.
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... That sounds familiar, now that you mention it. Still, the main point is it is literally meant to get people to give up because it's so much pain they'll do anything to make it stop, and it's a mutual lockdown, so it's not like you can use it (in a duel) to lock down your for while you charge an attack or whatever.
 
fictionfan said:
@PoptartProdigy : If we learn enough ki skills will our overall ki skill improve? Alternatively if our overall ki skill gets high enough then can individual ki talents become so easy for us that we don't need to take an action to learn them?
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Yup.
Deathbybunnies said:
We're going to make our Saiyan Masque and turn into a purple blob and you can't stop us!




So would she be even better at helping us with our hypothesised "learning how to learn" skill?
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Were that a thing, yes. :p
Andres110 said:
Do these techniques include or exclude Vegeta Style techniques? You explicitly mentioned Goku, Tien, Krillin, and Yamcha but you also explicitly mentioned Piccolo in your list of exceptions.
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Piccolo style is mentioned because she hates it. As for the others...all style-specific techniques not covered by her expertise.
 
Terrabrand said:
'beat you down until you physically can't any longer' is different from 'torture you until you cry uncle and surrender because anything that makes the hurting stop'

I can't believe people are seriously suggesting our not even an adult and not evil protagonist torture people into submission.

it should be self evident this is not kosher.
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Remember when Roshi shocked Tien and then knocked him out? Yeah, I am going for that. Or, simply to have the opportunity to knock people out in tandem with other fighters since the shocking disables them from being to defend themselves.

Why in the heck do you get the idea that the only way we can use is to electrocute people into submission?o_O
 
mithril-blade said:
Remember when Roshi shocked Tien and then knocked him out? Yeah, I am going for that. Or, simply to have the opportunity to knock people out in tandem with other fighters since the shocking disables them from being to defend themselves.

Why in the heck do you get the idea that the only way we can use is to electrocute people into submission?o_O
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When you pick a specific technique with a specific intended purpose, you should not be surprised the first guess will be 'use for intended purpose'.

If you wanted to speak in generalities, it would have been easy to say 'would be nice to have some kind of electric knock out technique, sort of like what Roshi did that one time'.

So, no, it is not ridiculous to me to imagine when you name that particular technique you proposing using it for it's intended purpose, just as one isn't going to immediately assume you plan to use Instant Transmission for, I dunno, a play, rather than as a transport techniqud., when you simply name the technique.
 
To be fair, wasn't dragonball Roshi terrified that pretty much every ki technique was going to end with someone dead if not handled carefully?

Or was that just at the start?
 
Terrabrand said:
When you pick a specific technique with a specific intended purpose, you should not be surprised the first guess will be 'use for intended purpose'.

If you wanted to speak in generalities, it would have been easy to say 'would be nice to have some kind of electric knock out technique, sort of like what Roshi did that one time'.

So, no, it is not ridiculous to me to imagine when you name that particular technique you proposing using it for it's intended purpose, just as one isn't going to immediately assume you plan to use Instant Transmission for, I dunno, a play, rather than as a transport techniqud., when you simply name the technique.
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Yeah, so....how often do we use multiform for it's intended purpose again?
 
"Mooooooom, can you teach me how to do Tien Style?"
"Sure, honey!"
"Mooooooom, can you teach me Linear Algebra?"
"Sure, honey!"
"Mooooooom, can you teach me the Destructo Disk?"
"Sure, honey!"
"Mooooooom, can you teach me the core concepts of the Turtle Style?"
"Sure, honey!"
"Mooooooom, can you teach me to ride a bike?"
"No, sorry, I have no idea how."
 
mithril-blade said:
I was under the impression that it was made for combat rather then a multipurpose tool? At the very least, we never see anyone try and use it for anything else in the show.
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I'm mostly being sarcastic. ;) The Exiles have realized the obvious applications, but you are correct in that the Z Fighters remained blissfully ignorant.
fictionfan said:
In that case assuming you mean yes to both the question is if we should build high or build wide.

Our Mom's teaching skills suggests that we should build wide.



More than Frieza style?
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Yup again.
 
mithril-blade said:
Yeah, so....how often do we use multiform for it's intended purpose again?
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This would be a good example if eg multiform was specifically meant to be used to use some technique that requires more than two hands.

It's meant to put you in multiple places, in combat, yes, but still.

Roshi's technique there was specifically meant to inflict pain- indeed, 'inflict pain' and 'immobilize target' at the cost of immobilizing self seems to be all it does.

If you can think of a specific other use, saying so explicitly is called for, rather than acting like it's natural to assume you mean to use it for a very much unintended use.

It'd be like me saying 'we should use a gun', and then being offended/confused when you don't divine that I intend to use it as a spade. A gun can be used that way, bad idea elements aside, but it's not a natural guess.
 
While it might be redundant at this point, would combing this option

PoptartProdigy said:
[ ] Set the Record Straight (1 action): The official story is that you helped Seal Jaffur. It'll mean publicly opposing your Dad and making a definite enemy out of Lady Vegeta, but you could come forward and make your stance on the matter clear. Effect: Share the truth of the Sealing with your people. Increases societal unrest and earns you enemies, but may reveal potential supporters for the conspiracy.
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to rally public awareness and support with Kakara going on a public hunger, which is basically one of the main tools of any peaceful protests and considering the saiyan's endless holes of a stomach, be an effective to unseal Jaffur?
 
Terrabrand said:
This would be a good example if eg multiform was specifically meant to be used to use some technique that requires more than two hands.
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Multiform was invented explicitly to win fights. No more, no less.

Roshi's technique there was specifically meant to inflict pain- indeed, 'inflict pain' and 'immobilize target' at the cost of immobilizing self seems to be all it does.
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That limitation is significantly less important then you think. To wit, Tien didn't manage to recover fast enough from a blast of it to avoid getting knocked out by an old man significantly weaker then him. And simply fighting with another person oversteps it.

All of which is funny because I seriously wonder if you think that "non-lethally" taking a person out doesn't hurt. Do you figure that getting knocked out hurts LESS then the technique?

If you can think of a specific other use, saying so explicitly is called for, rather than acting like it's natural to assume you mean to use it for a very much unintended use.

It'd be like me saying 'we should use a gun', and then being offended/confused when you don't divine that I intend to use it as a spade. A gun can be used that way, bad idea elements aside, but it's not a natural guess.
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See, that's convulated. Because if I had said "We should use Kamehameha" I doubt you would have assumed that I wanted to kill someone. You would have instead asked "what for?"

fictionfan said:
Well that would seem to indicate that Trunks style does not scale. There is a limit to how strong and sharp you can make a sword.
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Not potentially a problem so long as that limit is higher then the limit with which people can protect themselves with ki.
 
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