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Dragon Ball: After the End

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PoptartProdigy said:
...okay, folks. General announcement.

When I first brought up Mom's Teaching skill, does anybody happen to remember how I said it? I said that while Dad was a better instructor for higher-level Goku Style techniques, Mom was better for basically everything at a low level. For hundreds of pages, that was my word on the matter. It kept being brought up in conversation, too; once to a few times every fifty pages or so, one of you all would mention Kala's Teaching skill, and thus I was reassured that the matter was staying refreshed in the thread consciousness. Thus, for hundreds of pages, you all gave every appearance of this being your impression of Kala's abilities: This woman will make low-level training efficient as hell. Which is true; the reason I've been so reluctant to clarify what exactly she can actionably assist with is because it is far, far easier to say what she's not qualified to teach. I didn't refer to her as, "one of the most skilled individuals on Garenhuld," for no reason.

Now, I did just clarify what exactly she can help improve, yes. But it is far from my first announcement on the topic. If anything, my new announcement should make people think that her ability is less useful, since I've clarified that she can't teach literally everything.

Should I have told you about Kala's teaching skill? Sure should have.

So I did.
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This has been the largest en masse fuck up by the players I have ever seen considering just how many were surprised that she could help Multiform so much and for how long that misunderstanding has lasted.

That said, I'd like to address this:
PoptartProdigy said:
If anything, my new announcement should make people think that her ability is less useful, since I've clarified that she can't teach literally everything.
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Here the misunderstanding seems to be on your end. It's been generally understood that she can't teach literally everything. Your clarification only served to tell us that the things she could help out in was a lot less narrow than we thought. Concerning Styles, we thought she was only good for Goku Style because that's the only one you explicitly said she would help with. We've seen Kakara train a lot with Berra and never with her mother despite her apparent teaching skill, so it was assumed her expertise was quite narrow indeed.


So...now that everything has been said, can you please tell us any other things she will help training with? It really sucks having to guess what she's good for unless we ask you "is she good for X skill" for every skill. So far, this is the list of things she can help with:
School work
Goku Style
Tien Style
Krillin Style
Yamcha Style

Please complete the list so we don't have to guess, so we don't get surprised again, and so we don't have to ask you for each and every individual skill that benefits from her tutelage.
 
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Andres110 said:
Please complete the list so we don't have to guess, so we don't get surprised again, and so we don't have to ask you for each and every individual skill as to whether we'll benefit from her tutelage.
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Poptart outright said in that post that they havent because the list is too long, with it being easier to list what she cant teach.
 
fictionfan said:
Looking though time to allow though right? Because you know what they say the easiest way to change the past is to do it in the present.
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It's allowed.
mithril-blade said:
Alright, so, I have a question.

Back in Dragon Ball, Roshi basically electrecuted Goku in the fist tournament with a technique that we never saw ever again...until recently in DBS. While it doesn't seem to do much damage output, if at all, it seems to paralyze the people struck by it. Like Tien, when Roshi was mind control by the paper magic using chick or that one berk in the tournament. In both cases, they weren't able to defend themselves with their ki or otherwise.

Is that a technique we can learn by training OG Turtle style?
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No, but you can research it.
Andres110 said:
This has been the largest en masse fuck up by the players I have ever seen considering just how many were surprised that she could help Multiform so much and for how long that misunderstanding has lasted.

That said, I'd like to address this:

Here the misunderstanding seems to be on your end. It's been generally understood that she can't teach literally everything. Your clarification only served to tell us that the things she could help out in was a lot less narrow than we thought. Concerning Styles, we thought she was only good for Goku Style because that's the only one you explicitly said she would help with. We've seen Kakara train a lot with Berra and never with her mother despite her apparent teaching skill, so it was assumed her expertise was quite narrow indeed.


So...now that everything has been said, can you please tell us any other things she will help training with? It really sucks having to guess what she's good for unless we ask you "is she good for X skill" for every skill. So far, this is the list of things she can help with:
School work
Goku Style
Tien Style
Krillin Style
Yamcha Style

Please complete the list so we don't have to guess, so we don't get surprised again, and so we don't have to ask you for each and every individual skill that benefits from her tutelage.
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No. Too long.

What she cannot teach comprises:

Any Piccolo-style-specific techniques.
Medicine.
Tinkering.
Deceit.
Intrigue (god, no).
Mind Delve.
Any style-specific techniques not covered by the styles which I have mentioned.
 
It seems like she has already taught us alot become we started the game higher than competent on most skills.
 
mithril-blade said:
Alright, so, I have a question.

Back in Dragon Ball, Roshi basically electrecuted Goku in the fist tournament with a technique that we never saw ever again...until recently in DBS. While it doesn't seem to do much damage output, if at all, it seems to paralyze the people struck by it. Like Tien, when Roshi was mind control by the paper magic using chick or that one berk in the tournament. In both cases, they weren't able to defend themselves with their ki or otherwise.

Is that a technique we can learn by training OG Turtle style?
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No. That is a technique Roshi created in case he ever had to seriously fight Son Gohan. It is not one he integrated in his fighting style but a trump card. Even then, he can't move while doing it and it relies on torturing the enemy into surrendering. It is used in Super because it is good in serious team fights but Roshi didn't normaly use it.
 
Bakkasama said:
No. That is a technique Roshi created in case he ever had to seriously fight Son Gohan. It is not one he integrated in his fighting style but a trump card. Even then, he can't move while doing it and it relies on torturing the enemy into surrendering. It is used in Super because it is good in serious team fights but Roshi didn't normaly use it.
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It would be pretty useful for our pacifist approach to combat, to restrain foes without killing them.
 
@PoptartProdigy : If we learn enough ki skills will our overall ki skill improve? Alternatively if our overall ki skill gets high enough then can individual ki talents become so easy for us that we don't need to take an action to learn them?
 
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Mikeline said:
It would be pretty useful for our pacifist approach to combat, to restrain foes without killing them.
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What Terrabrand said. It is a torture technique and one that could even kill from the pain caused (not the wounds, the pain) if Roshi's comments on tge 21st tournament are to be believed. That he used it on Goku and planned to use it on Gohan is really messed up.
 
Terrabrand said:
... Torture foes into surrender is not a traditional good person stratagem. Seeking it out and not an alternate method to disable with seems highly questionable.
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We've got the guardian trait now, that means we are willing to implement horrible beatings on people simply so that we can keep them safe!

Bakkasama said:
What Terrabrand said. It is a torture technique and one that could even kill from the pain caused (not the wounds, the pain) if Roshi's comments on tge 21st tournament are to be believed. That he used it on Goku and planned to use it on Gohan is really messed up.
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We've SEEN the technique.

If it kills, it does it waaaaaay too slowly to be a problem.
 
mithril-blade said:
We've got the guardian trait now, that means we are willing to implement horrible beatings on people simply so that we can keep them safe!
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'beat you down until you physically can't any longer' is different from 'torture you until you cry uncle and surrender because anything that makes the hurting stop'

I can't believe people are seriously suggesting our not even an adult and not evil protagonist torture people into submission.

it should be self evident this is not kosher.
 
Gore17 said:
No it's not, and never was. Bardock got only one animated special.
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We're going to make our Saiyan Masque and turn into a purple blob and you can't stop us!

PoptartProdigy said:
It's allowed.

No, but you can research it.

No. Too long.

What she cannot teach comprises:

Any Piccolo-style-specific techniques.
Medicine.
Tinkering.
Deceit.
Intrigue (god, no).
Mind Delve.
Any style-specific techniques not covered by the styles which I have mentioned.
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PoptartProdigy said:
Many.
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So would she be even better at helping us with our hypothesised "learning how to learn" skill?
 
Terrabrand said:
'beat you down until you physically can't any longer' is different from 'torture you until you cry uncle and surrender because anything that makes the hurting stop'

I can't believe people are seriously suggesting our not even an adult and not evil protagonist torture people into submission.

it should be self evident this is not kosher.
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Speaking from a position of total ignorance, having not seen either of the episodes in question...

Basically, I for one do not know the difference between this hypothetical electrocution attack, and a taser. A taser causes both paralysis and pain, and its long term ability to secure compliance comes from both temporarily removing the subject's ability to move, and hurting enough that they will not want to be tased again. It would probably be 'kosher' for Kakara to use a taser or a ki ability that caused no more pain than a taser does.

I infer, from your reaction, that Roshi's technique is much more painful and torturous than a taser?
 
Simon_Jester said:
I infer, from your reaction, that Roshi's technique is much more painful and torturous than a taser?
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Pre-Super it was only used twice.

Once against Grandpa Gohan and once against Goku

It was never used elsewhere, because Roshi was too afraid it would kill anyone it hit, turning all the energy in the targets body into electricity.
 
Most ki blast techniques tend to be redundant with each other. There is a reason Goku never bothered to name anything besides Kamehameha.
 
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