- Location
- Rockford, USA
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- They/Them
Unconventional =/= "logically unsound." If your arguments can't be logically derived, then people are going to think you're just stupid.
Oddball benefits solutions that are typically unconsidered.
Dragon Ball: After the End
Unconventional =/= "logically unsound." If your arguments can't be logically derived, then people are going to think you're just stupid.
Oddball benefits solutions that are typically unconsidered.
Kinruush
Who?
- Location
- USA
As an attempt to use Oddball for Full Disclosure, Karaka could truthfully claim that bringing Maya in completely would, counterintuitively, make the Masquerade easier to maintain, particularly since she's the lynchpin of Berra's plan to bring ki users into the mainstream world.
rkyeun
Cabbitus Maximus
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- ◕ ‿‿ ◕
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- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
I will confirm that taking that approach would benefit from "Oddball."
Kinruush
Who?
- Location
- USA
Would the strategy we need to take in convincing him require us to include subvotes here, or, if the main vote wins without any subvotes, will you be taking the discussion into account when you write Kakara's response in the update?
- Location
- Somewhere I shouldn't be
Based on what's been said so far, I'd say Poptart will not require a subvote to account for Oddball.
Historically, they've taken discussion into account in Kakara's thought process - votes which were close, or notable debates on points, get called out in her decision-making process.
If Poptart says that Full Disclosure will benefit from Oddball, it doesn't need a subvote. It means it's far enough 'out there' to not be something Dad was even thinking about.
I still think that's a vote that's unlikely to succeed, but it would be a glorious trainwreck to watch.
Fuck it. Plan Tea Party for life, yo.
[X] Full disclosure. Surely you can convince Dad to cast away the Masquerade your people have maintained for centuries for not terribly much reason at all, right? Well, once you do, go walk back upstairs without a Masque on, and start explaining.
For the record, I recommend we 'walk' back up there on the ceiling, and ask Maya to join us. 'Cause her world's about to go topsy-turvy.
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- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Not required, but you can always add a subvote for approach, if you like.
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- Mid-Atlantic
Okay, at the moment we have ten for full disclosure and fourteen for broad (myself included).
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
[X] Full disclosure. Surely you can convince Dad to cast away the Masquerade your people have maintained for centuries for not terribly much reason at all, right? Well, once you do, go walk back upstairs without a Masque on, and start explaining.
It would simply things for us.
It would simply things for us.
13 for Broad Disclosure, 11 for Full Disclosure. It's neck-a-neck!
I'll note that we're voting what to tell Maya, not everyone. Humans can and have been brought into the Masquerade before without issue, we can do it again. No one is voting to disperse with the Masquerade entirely, because we all realize it's not a good idea right now.
Bakkasama
There is always a greater fool
- Location
- Buenos Aires, Argentina
- Pronouns
- He/his
I think the issue here is worry about what Berra will choose if he refuses.
On the other hand, what is the worst that could happen?
Meh, I'll sleep on it. See if I change my mind in the morning.
edit: Right. Bachelorette, Saiyan edition.
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- Location
- Canada
[x] Broad disclosure. Give her a filtered version of the events as you know them. You had a Vision a while ago, saying aliens were coming and that they were hostile. Tell her everything through the lens of human ki users being the active parties.
Considering that Broad Disclosure is coming second, Kakara will likely suggest that if she can't convince him of Full Disclosure.
Because an alien fleet is coming, and if she progresses in her Ki Sensing at the same rate as everything else, things could get troublesome if we try to hide that fact.
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[X] Full disclosure. Surely you can convince Dad to cast away the Masquerade your people have maintained for centuries for not terribly much reason at all, right? Well, once you do, go walk back upstairs without a Masque on, and start explaining.
Broad disclosure is smarter and safer, but I just want this more.
Broad disclosure is smarter and safer, but I just want this more.
- Location
- Somewhere I shouldn't be
Go big or go home!
Full disclosure!
With Kami as our witness, we'll never roll a Deceit check again!
Full disclosure!
With Kami as our witness, we'll never roll a Deceit check again!
Vote Tally : Sci-Fi - Dragon Ball: After the End | Page 427 | Sufficient Velocity
##### NetTally 1.7.9
[x] Broad disclosure. Give her a filtered version of the events as you know them. You had a Vision a while ago, saying aliens were coming and that they were hostile. Tell her everything through the lens of human ki users being the active parties.
No. of Votes: 14
[X] Full disclosure. Surely you can convince Dad to cast away the Masquerade your people have maintained for centuries for not terribly much reason at all, right? Well, once you do, go walk back upstairs without a Masque on, and start explaining.
No. of Votes: 12
Total No. of Voters: 26
##### NetTally 1.7.9
[x] Broad disclosure. Give her a filtered version of the events as you know them. You had a Vision a while ago, saying aliens were coming and that they were hostile. Tell her everything through the lens of human ki users being the active parties.
No. of Votes: 14
[X] Full disclosure. Surely you can convince Dad to cast away the Masquerade your people have maintained for centuries for not terribly much reason at all, right? Well, once you do, go walk back upstairs without a Masque on, and start explaining.
No. of Votes: 12
Total No. of Voters: 26
- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
*looms, stroking the "close the vote" button*It's pretty neck-a-neck. Anyone want to jump over to Full Disclosure?Vote Tally : Sci-Fi - Dragon Ball: After the End | Page 427 | Sufficient Velocity
##### NetTally 1.7.9
[x] Broad disclosure. Give her a filtered version of the events as you know them. You had a Vision a while ago, saying aliens were coming and that they were hostile. Tell her everything through the lens of human ki users being the active parties.
No. of Votes: 14
[X] Full disclosure. Surely you can convince Dad to cast away the Masquerade your people have maintained for centuries for not terribly much reason at all, right? Well, once you do, go walk back upstairs without a Masque on, and start explaining.
No. of Votes: 12
Total No. of Voters: 26
Yes, would anybody like to switch?
rofl:Give @Bakkasama time to wake up and decide at least.*looms, stroking the "close the vote" button*
Yes, would anybody like to switch?
- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Honestly, I'm going to bed myself anyway. No point in closing yet. I'd only have time to write tomorrow anyway.Give @Bakkasama time to wake up and decide at least.
Kinruush
Who?
- Location
- USA
@Gore17 is right. We cannot hope to hide the alien invasion, so any decision that doesn't include at least a Broad disclosure is doomed, and Berra should be able to see that even if he refuses a Full disclosure.
The problem with settling even for a Broad disclosure, though, is that we'll still be lying. We'll still have to come up with BS to explain any new weird thing that breaks whatever story we've told Maya. We'll still have to worry about her finding out without us knowing, or worse, finding out part of the truth without us knowing and jumping to conclusions.
If we do bring Maya in completely, we can train with her in the dojo. We can show her how strong people can really get, so the eventual surprise doesn't screw things up at an inconvenient time (which it would, because if something is dramatic enough for a Super Saiyan to reveal herself, it'll be inconvenient if Maya can't respond appropriately).
Berra is reluctant to trust Maya, especially with something this important, and that's understandable, but he's going to have to give Maya trust eventually anyway, because there are more risks involved in not trusting her.
Besides, this is a perfect opportunity for Kakara to rally after her failure. She's fundamentally opposed to violence, and she floundered when she couldn't find another answer, but this? Understanding people and knowing how to deal with them? This is what she's good at. Kakara, at least, deserves Berra's trust that she knows what's best to do here.
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- Mid-Atlantic
So let's compare persuading Berra to drop the Masquerade, versus persuading him to let Maya into the Masquerade.
In the former case we're fighting a huge uphill battle.
In the latter case we have several points in our favor:
1) Individual Garenhulders have been let into the Masquerade before (usually spouses, but still).
2) Maya is already used to the idea of keeping her powers secret and had effectively started her own one-woman Masquerade, so we have good reason to expect her to keep our secret too.
3) Maya will be a much more useful ally and proxy if we're not constantly fretting about what she can and cannot be allowed to see. The fight against the scout today illustrated this wonderfully. Because "we can't afford to let Maya see any of us being extra-powerful" WAS a major reason why nobody just powered up to five hundred thousand or more and flattened the scout. Maya was a burden, not an asset- and even with her low power level she should have been an asset.
In the former case we're fighting a huge uphill battle.
In the latter case we have several points in our favor:
1) Individual Garenhulders have been let into the Masquerade before (usually spouses, but still).
2) Maya is already used to the idea of keeping her powers secret and had effectively started her own one-woman Masquerade, so we have good reason to expect her to keep our secret too.
3) Maya will be a much more useful ally and proxy if we're not constantly fretting about what she can and cannot be allowed to see. The fight against the scout today illustrated this wonderfully. Because "we can't afford to let Maya see any of us being extra-powerful" WAS a major reason why nobody just powered up to five hundred thousand or more and flattened the scout. Maya was a burden, not an asset- and even with her low power level she should have been an asset.
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Kinruush
Who?
- Location
- USA
The vote is solely for what we're telling Maya and not in any way for dropping the Masquerade for anyone else. As such, I agree completely with the points you listed, which is why I voted for Full Disclosure.
Which is why we're picking Full Disclosure.
See?