Sucal
The Devil’s Cut
- Location
- Bottom of the barrel
Don't be silly.
Tien wouldn't kill hes friends.
Hes just really bad at Hide and Seek.
He'll bother to look for them eventually
Dragon Ball: After the End
Don't be silly.
Tien wouldn't kill hes friends.
Hes just really bad at Hide and Seek.
He'll bother to look for them eventually
NegativeJ
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So... Is it time for Berra to die yet? @PoptartProdigy
If not... How many works art and writing need to be submitted to get that ball rolling?
I will be willing to make as much as necessary to begin the end of this pacifistic mistake...
If not... How many works art and writing need to be submitted to get that ball rolling?
I will be willing to make as much as necessary to begin the end of this pacifistic mistake...
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KnightDisciple
Love God. Do Right. Fear No Man.
- Location
- Midwest, USA
They say a picture is worth a thousand words, so with that in mind, here is an approximation of my initial response and reaction to this line of inquiry.
KnightDisciple
Love God. Do Right. Fear No Man.
- Location
- Midwest, USA
....Alternatively, you could just join the others who are pushing for trying to develop the Pacifist trait into something more nuanced, or a "partial pacifism", or the like?
Especially since it seems very disingenuous to conflate bad writing on old Gundam shows with the excellent work @PoptartProdigy has done thus far.
Of course, that's putting aside the fact that that topic isn't directly relevant to such a fervent desire to see our character's father die.
And frankly, if Poptart somehow lets people write omakes to try and make that happen, I'll lead a force of people writing omakes to counter that. Which is a rabbit hole I don't think we want to fall down....
NegativeJ
LOVE
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If only the Mars century stuff wasn't written less than 7 years ago... But I'm sure that Poptart would be very entertained by massive amounts of omakes.
Bakkasama
There is always a greater fool
- Location
- Buenos Aires, Argentina
- Pronouns
- He/his
Come, he is not a bad guy. He just told Kakara she doesn't have to be a fighter if she doesn't want to!
*remembers who he is talking to*
He is a master combatant and one of the few who can spar at our level! And teach! Also, we would have to waste actions doing his job and Apra, Yanmar and Dandeer would become the maximum authority! Until they released Jaffur, then it would be elder time.
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
Nappa.
Also he shows up regularly as a silent companion to Tenshinhan. He is even there when tenshinhan survives the Human Extinction Attack.
KnightDisciple
Love God. Do Right. Fear No Man.
- Location
- Midwest, USA
Okay, but no. That's clearly not the direction @PoptartProdigy exists, and that's also clearly not in line with most any real-world group who a.) have religious beliefs that include a faith in an afterlife and b.) advocate pacifism and how said groups act. Kakara may not be religious per se, but she does definitively know and understand the existence of the afterlife. Yet, she doesn't treat taking a life as "exile" or "moving people".
I don't know if you wrote this post as some sort of extreme or absurdist proposition, but I would posit it is not overly helpful or constructive to the general direction of our discussion, and doesn't really mesh well with the views any of the rest of us are presenting or seeking.
Sucal
The Devil’s Cut
- Location
- Bottom of the barrel
That ridicolous.
Not only do we know the afterlife exists, but we know hell exists (with all its tortures) and that few keep their body. Someone true to their beliefs rather then trying to rules lawyer them would refuse to kill anyone/let anyone die, until one can be sure they will be leaving the world a better place (and so will be going to a better place).
Hell is a fate that should not be wished on anyone, even their worst enemies.
NegativeJ
LOVE
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It is also a very silly and fairly easily escapable place... Hey the Ginyu force managed to... for a bit..
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
Goku and Gero never met until after namek.
NegativeJ
LOVE
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Well yeah... I think... Hopefully... Ugh... the wiki does not say where he was when Goku attacked the base... Why am I getting muddled DBZ memories... Ugh... THIS IS NOT HELPING BRAIN... *beats head with a foam bat*
KnightDisciple
Love God. Do Right. Fear No Man.
- Location
- Midwest, USA
I think you're missing the core point @Sucal was making, especially as this tries to focus narrowly on a few specific details, rather than more broadly on a philosophical stance.
NegativeJ
LOVE
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I can't take anyone talking in context about Dragon Ball "Hell" seriously... Mostly because it's a failure for it's intended function...
Sucal
The Devil’s Cut
- Location
- Bottom of the barrel
That's nice.
Have a cookie and sit in the corner then. The adults are talking, and not about filler
NegativeJ
LOVE
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Meh, I can't take anything too religious seriously... Neither can most of my country... 3/4 us are atheists...
KnightDisciple
Love God. Do Right. Fear No Man.
- Location
- Midwest, USA
It feels disingenuous to just dismiss the idea entirely. Especially since I'm 99.99% sure @PoptartProdigy won't treat it as a "joke" destination.
I mean, we can just as easily point to things like the Janemba movie, where we saw that one of the features of Hell is a machine (or maybe multiples) that scrub evil out of souls, which doesn't seem like it'd leave memory and personality intact, either. I'm unclear on whether Heaven/non-negative afterlife ultimately cycles souls back in or not, but it sounds like Hell does for sure, and I can understand taking a serious philosophical stance against treating it casually.
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Well, not everyone's atheist, and the setting @PoptartProdigy is presenting is clearly not quite in line with your personal views and beliefs.
I mean, I get being honest about your worldview coloring your response, I'd be lying if I didn't admit the same was true for me (albeit from a rather different angle/worldview).
But when I read your last couple of responses on this topic, I feel like you're intentionally downplaying and trivializing the points several of us are making because they don't support your view, which...doesn't seem constructive or helpful.
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The Fourth Monado
S U B A R A S H I I
- Location
- Away
Plus all the 'fun' stuff I convinced him to add in
Bakkasama
There is always a greater fool
- Location
- Buenos Aires, Argentina
- Pronouns
- He/his
Replying to Aranfan:
Other stuff:
From what we know, most people don't keep their bodies unless there is some explicit divine intervention. Goku, Yamcha, Tien, Chiaotzu and Piccoloo only did because of Kami's intervention (and I suspect that if any of those had died after Piccolo they wouldn't have); Grandpa Gohan from Baba's, Vegeta from Enma. The exception seems to be Goku after he died the second time. There might be an exception if you die with your body already on the otherworld or it might be that once you get permission you keep it or that King Kai intervened. Another one might be Yamcha and Krilin during a filler in Buu saga.
Well, at least this would explain why Krilin didn't keep his body when he was killed in Namek if Guru was the equivalent to its guardian.
The other case is if they are exceptional villains, in which case they also keep the body to better experience hell.
Or some other reason we can't grasp.
Because what? That seems like as good an interpretation of hell as any. Lakes of boiling wáter and fire everywhere.
Other stuff:
She is opposed to hurting people. Unless they pass in their sleep (or drugged out or their minds or a mercy kill ) then even if they go to heaven it would still be violence. Not to mention you more likely tan not would be depriving them of their body.
From what we know, most people don't keep their bodies unless there is some explicit divine intervention. Goku, Yamcha, Tien, Chiaotzu and Piccoloo only did because of Kami's intervention (and I suspect that if any of those had died after Piccolo they wouldn't have); Grandpa Gohan from Baba's, Vegeta from Enma. The exception seems to be Goku after he died the second time. There might be an exception if you die with your body already on the otherworld or it might be that once you get permission you keep it or that King Kai intervened. Another one might be Yamcha and Krilin during a filler in Buu saga.
Well, at least this would explain why Krilin didn't keep his body when he was killed in Namek if Guru was the equivalent to its guardian.
The other case is if they are exceptional villains, in which case they also keep the body to better experience hell.
Or some other reason we can't grasp.
Are we counting the Dr.Slump things in as well because...
Because what? That seems like as good an interpretation of hell as any. Lakes of boiling wáter and fire everywhere.
NegativeJ
LOVE
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That's blood pond, and those are a roller coaster and... what are the swingy things called? And... the fire is fake...
Either the budget for hell is great... Or it's being mishandled...
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Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
I did miss that you referred to nappa. However I was talking about the Manga with the Buu saga.
Admittedly I don't have my books on me, but I am pretty sure he does show up.