Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
Because telling her it's a secret lets us have a long telepathy conversation with Dad about it, while saying we saw our great grandpa's death doesn't.
Dragon Ball: After the End
Because telling her it's a secret lets us have a long telepathy conversation with Dad about it, while saying we saw our great grandpa's death doesn't.
Keep in mind that something about this vision is very relevant right now, the Enemy said that measures would keep us from seeing doom coming, and ki-sensing prodigy Kakara was able to read the power levels of everyone in the alien leadership except the leader.
He does have reason to despise both Goku and Gohan, and in the vision he seemed more concerned with Gohan's line and kin than Earth, Humanity, Saiyans, The Galaxy, etc. If she is the first seer to see this moment, then this is likely to first time when it has been sufficiently relevant to provoke a seer's vision.
Of course, at this point all of the Saiyans are related to Gohan to some degree.
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
I doubt all of them are as close to Jii-chan as we are.
ChildishChimera
A umbran summon
- Location
- New York
[X] Tell Maya that we Saw our great-grandfather die.
-[X] Tell Dad Everything via telepathy.
[X] Going forward tell:
-[X] Sensei Carrick
-[X] Grandma
[X] Yes (allow the reveal)
-[X] Tell Dad Everything via telepathy.
[X] Going forward tell:
-[X] Sensei Carrick
-[X] Grandma
[X] Yes (allow the reveal)
The Enemy doesn't seem like the type to care.
The Fourth Monado
S U B A R A S H I I
- Location
- Away
This speculation makes me very happy.
[X] Tell Maya that we Saw our great-grandfather die.
-[X] Tell Dad Everything via telepathy.
[X] Going forward tell:
-[X] Sensei Carrick
-[X] Grandma
[X] Yes (allow the reveal)
[X] Tell Maya that we Saw our great-grandfather die.
-[X] Tell Dad Everything via telepathy.
[X] Going forward tell:
-[X] Sensei Carrick
-[X] Grandma
[X] Yes (allow the reveal)
- Location
- Australia
[X] Tell Maya it's a secret thing. Use telepathy to tell Dad that it's something we want to talk about with Sensei first.
[X] No (object to the reveal).
A nat 100 vision is one that is of extreme relevance. That we had it just before revealing Maya means it might have something to do with it. Let's talk to Sensei first and if everything's ok, then we'll go through with the reveal. A vision where we see the Enemy and "look" at his "face" is something we should take as seriously as possible.
[X] No (object to the reveal).
A nat 100 vision is one that is of extreme relevance. That we had it just before revealing Maya means it might have something to do with it. Let's talk to Sensei first and if everything's ok, then we'll go through with the reveal. A vision where we see the Enemy and "look" at his "face" is something we should take as seriously as possible.
Sucal
The Devil’s Cut
- Location
- Bottom of the barrel
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Goku is a massive asshole and should never be used as the basis of any major decision. He put the world/galaxy at risk on four dfferent occasions just so he could have a rematch and grow stronger.
This is a guy that almost risked releasing Buu in the galaxy a second time, tried to spare Freizas life and only his son being cute saved the world from King Piccolo mk2
He knows that Gohans descendants possess magic and Sight. He might have a way of getting/seeing past magic, meaning that the Masques won't help, and the Sight would be a tip-off.
Or in other words, Saiyans can't leave the planet with the Masque on without being detected anyway. Meaning his entire plan is pointless. /speculation on how it might be relevant to the plot
[X] Tell them.
[X] Some other people.
-[X] Grandma
-[X] Sensei
-[X] Fennella.
-[X] Anonymously have it revealed over the Saiyan radio.
[X] No (object to the reveal).
- Location
- Australia
Completely irrelevant to the topic at hand. It wasn't his power that made him take those risks. That was his desire to fight messing things up, not his desire to get more powerful. In Frieza's case, that wasn't even his desire to fight, that was just wanting to give him mercy.
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GilliamYaeger
M'crazy.
Here's a vote that I think would be much safer than the current one
[X] Tell dad and Maya that we saw something and have to go, but will be right back.
-[X] Instant Transmission to Sensei, talk to him about it. Also about Maya, maybe.
[X] Once we're done, Instant Transmission back to where we were and explain further based on what Sensei told us.
[X] Yes (Allow the reveal)
[X] Tell dad and Maya that we saw something and have to go, but will be right back.
-[X] Instant Transmission to Sensei, talk to him about it. Also about Maya, maybe.
[X] Once we're done, Instant Transmission back to where we were and explain further based on what Sensei told us.
[X] Yes (Allow the reveal)
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- Location
- United Kingdom
That seems okay. Wanting power to achieve a goal doesn't necessarily make you a bad person, it could just make you a shounen hero.
Clearly Poptart wants us to form that superhero squad.
- Location
- Actually pretty lost
On a note unrelated to anything we've been talking about: I like how you've updated our character sheet to make the interaction between individual abilities and their parent skills a little clearer.
- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Bakkasama
There is always a greater fool
- Location
- Buenos Aires, Argentina
- Pronouns
- He/his
On that note, while I was originally against your plan of training ki manipulation, I have to say that now that we know how to raise it it is very tempting to attempt to do so next turn.
- Location
- Actually pretty lost
It gets even more tempting when you take into account that we'll be increasing Multiform to Exceptional next turn if the rolls go well, so we'd only have to train one of the others up a level. Instant Transmission is a skill everyone loves, and Solar Flare would increase our Tien Shinhan synergy... but detailed planning for next year is a fair while away yet.
Bakkasama
There is always a greater fool
- Location
- Buenos Aires, Argentina
- Pronouns
- He/his
Right, before I forget. The whole point of saying that we saw grandpa Gohan's death was to name drop Gohan so that dad knows what we saw without worrying Maya or makingher suspiscious. The current vote doesn't do that.
- Location
- Somewhere I shouldn't be
[X] Tell Maya that we Saw our great-grandfather die.
-[X] Tell Dad Everything via telepathy.
[X] Going forward tell:
-[X] Sensei Carrick
-[X] Grandma
[X] Yes (allow the reveal)
I disagree that Maya is likely to learn the name 'Gohan' before she learns what Saiyans are.
Just to weigh in on the trait discussion: I'm fine with being ambitious. I'm also ok with Pacifism, though I want to evolve it into Gohan-style pacifism: fighting is wrong, but sometimes inevitable. So we should train hard so that we are unquestionably the strongest fighter we can be, so we have to fight less.
We haven't moved much in that direction, but I'm satisfied with our character growth.
The only trait I don't like is 'hotblooded' - we haven't played it up at all, and it conflicts with most of our established traits. That said, I guess it means we have a limit break.
-[X] Tell Dad Everything via telepathy.
[X] Going forward tell:
-[X] Sensei Carrick
-[X] Grandma
[X] Yes (allow the reveal)
I disagree that Maya is likely to learn the name 'Gohan' before she learns what Saiyans are.
Just to weigh in on the trait discussion: I'm fine with being ambitious. I'm also ok with Pacifism, though I want to evolve it into Gohan-style pacifism: fighting is wrong, but sometimes inevitable. So we should train hard so that we are unquestionably the strongest fighter we can be, so we have to fight less.
We haven't moved much in that direction, but I'm satisfied with our character growth.
The only trait I don't like is 'hotblooded' - we haven't played it up at all, and it conflicts with most of our established traits. That said, I guess it means we have a limit break.
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Gohan isn't literally Kakara's great grandfather. Berra would be at least as likely to assume she meant Oni, especially given the current situation. If you want to tell him verbally what happened you'll have to use Gohan's name. His name screams, "Saiyan", so it represents a major breach of the masquerade well beyond Maya just knowing ki.
Scratch that. I'm fine with making him think that his actions just provoked a vision of Oni. Maybe he'll pause long way to get Maya checked out and do the most very basic level of due diligence he's currently neglecting.
Scratch that. I'm fine with making him think that his actions just provoked a vision of Oni. Maybe he'll pause long way to get Maya checked out and do the most very basic level of due diligence he's currently neglecting.
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[X] Tell Maya that we Saw our great-grandfather die.
-[X] Tell Dad Everything via telepathy.
[X] Going forward tell:
-[X] Sensei Carrick
-[X] Grandma
[X] Yes (allow the reveal)
*Sure, he said that it was because he couldn't attack Gero for something he hadn't done yet, but he didn't have to hurt Gero to prevent him from building the androids, and besides, it's not like Gero hadn't been complicit in terrorism during his time in the Red Ribbon Army. Then again, Goku isn't that smart, so he might not have realized/remembered that.
Freeza and Piccolo, though, weren't Goku being selfish. Piccolo was mainly Goku not wanting Kami to die and partially out of both mercy and a desire to fight Piccolo again, though I do believe Goku thought that Piccolo Jr. could be redeemed, but sparing Freeza was part of the same merciful streak that let to Goku wanting to spare the Ginyu Force (who didn't give him a good fight at all), and while you might call that stupid, it certainly wasn't Goku being an asshole.
Also, I'm not sure what Goku could have done better in the Buu Arc. I'm don't think fighting Vegeta was stupid, since I don't really think he could have avoided doing so, and he wasn't sure if he could have taken Fat Buu with SSJ3 before his time ran out.
-[X] Tell Dad Everything via telepathy.
[X] Going forward tell:
-[X] Sensei Carrick
-[X] Grandma
[X] Yes (allow the reveal)
I disagree with this, actually. Sparing Vegeta was Goku being selfish, as was not stopping Gero from building the Androids*, but I don't think Goku was being an asshole any other time he spared someone.
*Sure, he said that it was because he couldn't attack Gero for something he hadn't done yet, but he didn't have to hurt Gero to prevent him from building the androids, and besides, it's not like Gero hadn't been complicit in terrorism during his time in the Red Ribbon Army. Then again, Goku isn't that smart, so he might not have realized/remembered that.
Freeza and Piccolo, though, weren't Goku being selfish. Piccolo was mainly Goku not wanting Kami to die and partially out of both mercy and a desire to fight Piccolo again, though I do believe Goku thought that Piccolo Jr. could be redeemed, but sparing Freeza was part of the same merciful streak that let to Goku wanting to spare the Ginyu Force (who didn't give him a good fight at all), and while you might call that stupid, it certainly wasn't Goku being an asshole.
Also, I'm not sure what Goku could have done better in the Buu Arc. I'm don't think fighting Vegeta was stupid, since I don't really think he could have avoided doing so, and he wasn't sure if he could have taken Fat Buu with SSJ3 before his time ran out.
Screams "Saiyan" to who? Maya? Maya's likely never even heard of the name Gohan, I doubt she'll be going off into space before learning about the Saiyans, and even if she did, I doubt she'd ever mention the name of her friends great-grandfather which she'd have heard literally once.
I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm all for this if I can't get my way outright. If she telepaths Berra everything the vision of the Enemy having counters to sorcery and sight may throw him off his plan to have the Saiyans go back into the larger galaxy under the assumption that the locals and masques will be sufficient long enough to get his head together and take the most very basic precautions. If she just tells him that she just saw the death of, "Gohan", he's likely to realize that she's contaminated Maya too much for his plan to work and he'll have to just bring her into the masquerade as normal. If she leaves out, "Gohan", and just says, "great grandfather", he's naturally going to assume that his current course of action has provoked his seer daughter to have a vision of Lord Oni and have just about the most intense, "Oh, shit, what am I doing?" moment possible, leading to caution.
I'm just pointing out that you are voting for an approach which achieves the exact opposite of your stated intents, which might indicate that this is a good moment to step back, question your judgement, and wonder if perhaps those intents are just as mistaken as your plans for pursuing them.
By that logic, they could just drop the masquerade altogether and introduce themselves as aliens, because the Garenhulders don't know what Saiyans are, can't do anything about it, and aren't likely to go into space. Obviously, they've instead decided that even letting the Garenhulders observe identifying information is too dangerous, possibly in case some alien scouting mission comes along and interacts with the locals. The name, "Gohan", is extremely identifying information, possibly even more so than just being a race of humanoids with tails.
There is a reason that they use different names for their masques. They've been around for hundreds of years, since the times when the locals were at a medieval level of society, and more than enough time to change the naming conventions of the locals until they were uninteresting. They chose to keep them secret instead. The very fact that it is unusual to her makes it more likely that Maya will find it salient and memorable, especially during this extremely emotional flashbulb memory.
She might not ever mention the name, but she also might not ever mention her best friend having a tail. The Saiyans don't like taking those chances. The whole point of Berra's plan is to clarify the boundaries of the masquerade because Maya knows and will be able to reveal some things, but not others, and this muddies those boundaries enormously by making her aware of something that absolutely can't be argued isn't covered under the masquerade.
I'm just pointing out that you are voting for an approach which achieves the exact opposite of your stated intents, which might indicate that this is a good moment to step back, question your judgement, and wonder if perhaps those intents are just as mistaken as your plans for pursuing them.
By that logic, they could just drop the masquerade altogether and introduce themselves as aliens, because the Garenhulders don't know what Saiyans are, can't do anything about it, and aren't likely to go into space. Obviously, they've instead decided that even letting the Garenhulders observe identifying information is too dangerous, possibly in case some alien scouting mission comes along and interacts with the locals. The name, "Gohan", is extremely identifying information, possibly even more so than just being a race of humanoids with tails.
There is a reason that they use different names for their masques. They've been around for hundreds of years, since the times when the locals were at a medieval level of society, and more than enough time to change the naming conventions of the locals until they were uninteresting. They chose to keep them secret instead. The very fact that it is unusual to her makes it more likely that Maya will find it salient and memorable, especially during this extremely emotional flashbulb memory.
She might not ever mention the name, but she also might not ever mention her best friend having a tail. The Saiyans don't like taking those chances. The whole point of Berra's plan is to clarify the boundaries of the masquerade because Maya knows and will be able to reveal some things, but not others, and this muddies those boundaries enormously by making her aware of something that absolutely can't be argued isn't covered under the masquerade.
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