Voting is open
Since I'm not sleep deprived any more, decided to turn the script vote into something a bit less pretentious... and possibly shamelessly rip off a few good parts of other people's votes.

[X] Plan Apologize mk. II
- [X] "Dad, we need to talk."
- [X] Point out that he's raised us to keep her promises.
- [X] Tell him that we made a promise to a friend to keep a secret, and we kept it even if we should have told him. Then apologize for not telling him.
- [X] Explain that we met a human who was not only a ki user, but a very powerful one. (At least for a human.)
- [X] Tell him that she had found out about us through the Garenhulder martial arts class, and decided to reveal to us that she could use ki too.
- [X] Emphasize that she only knows about the ki use though. She thought they were superpowers after all. She has no idea about the masquerade or anything related to that.
- [X] Say that we wanted to tell him, but she was so afraid of anyone else finding out that she made us promise to keep it a secret.
- [X] Admit that we did... she was just so pitiable and scared that we couldn't say no. Point out that she's been so beaten down by the scorn of the other Garenhulders for her curious nature that she's come away with a stutter and that if we rejected her here, she may have closed off and never trusted anyone again.
- [X] State that she asked for help with her training, and we figured it would be better for us to help her than to just let her stumble around on her own and maybe get discovered.
- [X] Tell him that we've been training her... and also trying to get her more comfortable with the idea of opening up. That we figured it was only a matter of time before we convinced her to come to him.
- [X] "I didn't like lying to you during that time, but I made a promise to one of my best friends and I just couldn't break that promise. I just couldn't!"
- [X] Let him know that she finally said it was okay to tell him... that we convinced her that he wouldn't be mean to her like a regular Garenhulder adult would have been.
- [X] Vehemently state if she had ever threatened the masquerade in any way, we would have told him in a heartbeat, promise or no promise. We know that that is something way too important to mess around with.
- [X] Tell him it's Maya, our friend from school.
- [X] Finish off by apologizing once again for keeping this from him.

I am not a fan of this plan. We chose to make a stand when we decided to train Maya and we do have reasons we acted as we did. It is not just that we promised not to tell, we actively trained her. Furthermore, if you promised not to tell him and admit you knew it was wrong then the right course of action is not to keep the promise but never making said promise in the first place. There is also the fact that this vote makes it seem as if Kakara places a promise toa friend over her duty unless she would be discovered as breaking the masquerade would reveal her. We also have a lot of justifications for what we did but they are barely mentioned. Overall, it seems to me that it spends to much time asking for forgiveness and too little giving reasons to be forgiven.

We will see about whether we should explain to Berra before or after or when we bring Maya once I wake up. @Andres110 does have a point about that being missing of the current plans. @Deathbybunnies see to add something like that to your own since it is the more likely for me to consolidate behind against plan apologize.
 
[] Plan Maya's Revelation
- [] We've just convinced Maya to tell Dad about her powers, so we'll let Maya tell Dad about her powers instead of doing it ourselves.
- [] We'll be there with her for support and to help explain how she found out about us, what we were doing, and how much Maya knows.
- [] If in the middle of that conversation Dad asks why we kept it from him, explain that Maya didn't want us revealing her secret and we didn't want to essentially punish her for telling us about something we otherwise wouldn't have known about.
- [] If he asks why we trained her, it was because Maya was our friend and we wanted her to see what the powers she already had allowed her to do. That and another reason which is secret between him and us. (Mention telepathically, or after the conversation is finished, that it was because we feared she might get hurt if she ended up fighting scouts and didn't know enough to defend herself.) We made sure not to teach her any of the things which would cause real problems, like Ki Sense.
- [] Apologise for accidentally revealing that he had powers too. That was completely on us.

We've convinced Maya to tell Dad, so let her tell Dad. We'll be there for her as she requested and as we said we would.
We don't need such massive write-ins explaining in detail what we were doing, a simple line that says that Kakara and Maya tell him what they both know about will suffice. It'll be particularly good if he hears some of this with Maya there instead of just from us.
We're a ten-year-old girl trying to do the right thing and being a good friend, not to mention that we ultimately convinced her to tell Dad. In the context of who Kakara is and what she did, it's ultimately acceptable and forgivable. Sometimes, the simple truth is the best way to go.
Why we trained her is more tricky, but ultimately it's the truth as well and Dad will understand. We're 10 and she's our friend, so teaching her a bit is understandable if not quite unchastisable, especially since we were being somewhat responsible about it. The secret reason is also the truth, as mentioned here, and Dad won't hold it against us for wanting to make sure our friend didn't get hurt.
And yeah, we flubbed up when we told Maya about him, no two ways about that, so we should own up to it.
 
Last edited:
With the increase in granularity of these events, as stated by PoptartProdigy, I feel confident enough to just go with this for now.

[X] I'm not, I'll be there when Maya does.
 
I am not a fan of this plan. We chose to make a stand when we decided to train Maya and we do have reasons we acted as we did. It is not just that we promised not to tell, we actively trained her. Furthermore, if you promised not to tell him and admit you knew it was wrong then the right course of action is not to keep the promise but never making said promise in the first place. There is also the fact that this vote makes it seem as if Kakara places a promise toa friend over her duty unless she would be discovered as breaking the masquerade would reveal her. We also have a lot of justifications for what we did but they are barely mentioned. Overall, it seems to me that it spends to much time asking for forgiveness and too little giving reasons to be forgiven.

We will see about whether we should explain to Berra before or after or when we bring Maya once I wake up. @Andres110 does have a point about that being missing of the current plans. @Deathbybunnies see to add something like that to your own since it is the more likely for me to consolidate behind against plan apologize.

First off, I just want to say that this isn't directed at you specifically, just at several of the points you bring up. I mean no offense.

Fair enough. I'd argue that there are different elements in any situation, and that we can be sorry for lying to our father, even if we aren't sorry for the reasons we had for lying to our father. Or, in a different example: if you see someone about to be stabbed in the street and tackle the mugger to the ground, but in the process knock the victim to the ground, you can regret knocking them down even if you don't regret saving them from being stabbed. I guess what I'm trying to say is that whether or not the ends justify the means, you can regret the means (in this case, lying to Berra) without regretting the ends. (Keeping our word to Maya) But maybe I didn't make that clear enough... my bad.

That being said, while definitely something he would have liked to know, I'm still not 100% convinced that it was our duty to rat Maya out to him the moment we found out she had ki. A good idea, yes, but our sworn duty? Honestly, I don't even need a lawyer to argue it both ways. And if it wasn't our duty, then we're right back to where we started: sorry we lied to him and tried to hide stuff from him, but otherwise unregretful of what we did.

And as to why I went with multiple apologies instead of calmly laying out reasons and justifications for why we hid stuff from our dad? Well, maybe it's just me projecting in to these characters again, but personally I'm much more likely to get along with someone just apologizes to me than someone who lays out a list of reasons why I should forgive them. Besides that... we're ten. It just seems more in character to me for a ten year old, who really doesn't want to mess up her relationship with her father again, to beg forgiveness rather than yelling out great monologues worth of justifications. In my experience, whenever a child starts pulling out a whole bunch of justifications, it just makes them seem that much more guilty.

And as for whether we should tell dad now or wait for Maya. First off, we never told Maya straight out that she would have to be the one to tell him. In fact, our exact words to her were: "I'll tell him this weekend." And while it's intimated that she'll be there, it still is pretty safe to say that that phrase alone puts the onus of telling him square on our shoulders. And with all the other stuff written in the last update, I might even go as far to say that Kakara herself in character believes that she will be the one to tell Berra.

And if this is the case, I honestly believe that giving him some prior warning is definitely the right idea. No one likes being taken by surprise after all. And if you honestly believe that telling him was our duty, then telling him while Maya is there almost seems almost like we're manipulating him and using her as a shield to protect us from dad's (justified) anger. After all, he can hardly talk about saiyan heir-dom duties while we've got an uninitiated human in the room. If nothing else, that'll probably make him angry... after all, I don't know of a single parent that likes their children trying to manipulate them.

But who knows? Maybe this is somewhat irrelevant, seeing as none of these votes (except the wait for Maya one) have specified when we tell him. For all we know, maybe these "tell him first" plans take place in a room off to the side after we've invited Maya over, but before she arrives/before we introduce them.

Or perhaps it's 3 o'clock in the morning and I am so sleep deprived that I have no idea what I'm talking about. Insomnia sucks, amiright?
 
That being said, while definitely something he would have liked to know, I'm still not 100% convinced that it was our duty to rat Maya out to him the moment we found out she had ki. A good idea, yes, but our sworn duty? Honestly, I don't even need a lawyer to argue it both ways. And if it wasn't our duty, then we're right back to where we started: sorry we lied to him and tried to hide stuff from him, but otherwise unregretful of what we did.
But that is just it; if it wasn't our duty, why do we regret this so much and apologize so much? I understand where you are going with regreting that we hid things from our dad but if it wasn't something we had to do then there is no reason for us to feel bad for keeping it from him. It just feels weird that you chose that as the focus to build the vote around to the point of even naming the plan after it.

And as to why I went with multiple apologies instead of calmly laying out reasons and justifications for why we hid stuff from our dad? Well, maybe it's just me projecting in to these characters again, but personally I'm much more likely to get along with someone just apologizes to me than someone who lays out a list of reasons why I should forgive them. Besides that... we're ten. It just seems more in character to me for a ten year old, who really doesn't want to mess up her relationship with her father again, to beg forgiveness rather than yelling out great monologues worth of justifications. In my experience, whenever a child starts pulling out a whole bunch of justifications, it just makes them seem that much more guilty.
We are also the Scion. We are held to a higher standard and we must show we did think things through before commiting to this course of action. We also should not apologize so much unless we really screwed up. We either regret only not telling him, in which case giving explanations would be just giving explanations since we don't feel it is something we should feel guilty about or we admit that it was wrong in which case it is better to show we didn't act without thinking.
 
I think that this conversation is sufficiently high-stakes that ceding the initiative and chance to control the conversation is a mistake. We're going to reveal we just spent 6 months keeping a serious secret from our father, potentially endangering the Masquerade. Why on Earth would we leave how we frame this conversation to someone who isn't aware of just how big a risk we took, or the arguments we need to make as to why it wasn't a terrible breach of our duty?
 
I think that this conversation is sufficiently high-stakes that ceding the initiative and chance to control the conversation is a mistake. We're going to reveal we just spent 6 months keeping a serious secret from our father, potentially endangering the Masquerade. Why on Earth would we leave how we frame this conversation to someone who isn't aware of just how big a risk we took, or the arguments we need to make as to why it wasn't a terrible breach of our duty?

I figure Maya will prove she doesn't know about the masquerade. Just Ki. And also, this is Maya's moment. She should take the lead.
 
We can talk to that before bringing her in and she would still have to confront dad.
...
Would it be too mean to let her go in without knowing we talked to him beforehand if that is the case?
 
I figure Maya will prove she doesn't know about the masquerade. Just Ki. And also, this is Maya's moment. She should take the lead.
We can prove that easily enough after explaining how we didn't really just endanger the Masquerade and the safety of the Saiyan race as a whole. And it's not "Maya's moment" in the same way that someone putting on a show has a "moment", doing the talking isn't going to "steal her thunder" - we're introducing her to someone potentially very intimidating. Doing so without prepping the ground beforehand is like shoving her into the deep end of the pool and saying "hey, you can swim, right?"
We can talk to that before bringing her in and she would still have to confront dad.
...
Would it be too mean to let her go in without knowing we talked to him beforehand if that is the case?
We can totally bring her in immediately after we talk to him, and yes, that would be mean :p
 
I figure Maya will prove she doesn't know about the masquerade. Just Ki. And also, this is Maya's moment. She should take the lead.
It's us who lied to dad not Maya. We should be tge one talking to him about it, rather than pushing it on someone else.

Plus she'll prove that stuff anyway. She's had her moment when she revealed her ki to us.

Now it's important for us to convince our dad that we did the right thing. Maya lacks the context and information to make the right arguments and our dad cares very little for what she says compared to what we say.

We should make sure our dad knows and is okay with what's going on, otherwise the chance of this going sideways increases greatly. Dad's traits make him a good man, but if we spring this on him he might get mad and we'll lose control of the whole situation.

Plus a lot of our arguments hinge on pragmatism and how unique Maya is. We don't want to talk about a lot of that right in front of her. It's just easier for all parties if we explain beforehand.
 
"Dad, I'm pregnant."

"-no, not really. I just want you to keep in mind that things could be worse when I tell you this next part..."
 
Last edited:
"Dad, I'm pregnant."

"-no, not really. I just want you to keep in mind that things could be worse when I tell you this next part..."
"Actually, now that I mention it... how do people get pregnant?"

"Tell me! Please! Tell me, tell me, tell me!

It's us who lied to dad not Maya. We should be tge one talking to him about it, rather than pushing it on someone else.

Plus she'll prove that stuff anyway. She's had her moment when she revealed her ki to us.

Now it's important for us to convince our dad that we did the right thing. Maya lacks the context and information to make the right arguments and our dad cares very little for what she says compared to what we say.

We should make sure our dad knows and is okay with what's going on, otherwise the chance of this going sideways increases greatly. Dad's traits make him a good man, but if we spring this on him he might get mad and we'll lose control of the whole situation.

Plus a lot of our arguments hinge on pragmatism and how unique Maya is. We don't want to talk about a lot of that right in front of her. It's just easier for all parties if we explain beforehand.
Quoted for truth.

We can prove that easily enough after explaining how we didn't really just endanger the Masquerade and the safety of the Saiyan race as a whole. And it's not "Maya's moment" in the same way that someone putting on a show has a "moment", doing the talking isn't going to "steal her thunder" - we're introducing her to someone potentially very intimidating. Doing so without prepping the ground beforehand is like shoving her into the deep end of the pool and saying "hey, you can swim, right?"

We can totally bring her in immediately after we talk to him, and yes, that would be mean :p
Mind adding a line about explaining our reasoning about why it is better to introduce her now and by us to our society instead of later and by marriage if he asks? How we went about it was related to earning her loyalty so...

[x] Deathbybunnies

So I don't forget.
 
Mind adding a line about explaining our reasoning about why it is better to introduce her now and by us to our society instead of later and by marriage if he asks? How we went about it was related to earning her loyalty so...

[x] Deathbybunnies

So I don't forget.
Sure, but It'll be as a contingency that won't trigger unless it's explicitly brought up.
EDIT:
-[] If at any point Dad brings up the idea of "marrying her in", point out how shy she is and that it would probably be better for us to bring her in as a close friend.
Has been added.
 
Last edited:
@Deathbybunnies what is your current plan iteration? You, @Bakkasama , and @Lailoken had a lot of good discussion bouncing around, so I'm not 100% clear on what voting for you would have us doing.
[X] Plan The Whole Truth
-[X] Wait until the weekend, like we promised Maya. Make sure we aren't in Multiform at the time.
-[X] Tell Dad we have something important to discuss
-[X] Tell Dad that 6 months ago, our friend came to us and told us that she'd had "superpowers" for years, and that she knew we had them too - and proceeded to prove it by getting into a spar with us.
--[X] She knew we were like her from seeing us in a Garenhulder martial arts class - no-one who wasn't aware of the possibility noticed anything odd.
-[X] We were delighted, told her that Dad (and we only mentioned Dad, and not anything about Saiyans) had ki powers too, and that we should tell him - and we spooked her, since she's so shy.
-[X] We agreed to not immediately tell Dad, for three reasons :
--[X] We were certain that she'd agree to tell Dad eventually; Dad would find out anyway if she trained and her power level kept rising, since we told her you could sense ki. And we were right.
--[X] She'd kept these "superpowers" a secret for so long, there was no risk to the Masquerade.
--[X] "And also... she's my friend. She's incredibly shy, she suddenly opened up and told me her life story, but panicked when I started talking about how we should tell you, and made me promise to keep it a secret until she'd decided for herself one way or the other whether to tell you... and it was such a huge show of faith, I just couldn't say no."
-[X] We made sure she knew she absolutely had to keep this a secret - and if it looked like she might risk the Masquerade, we'd have told Dad then anyway.
-[X] She's incredibly talented - she had a power level of nearly 1000 when she told us, after not knowing what she was really doing in the woods for a few years. We agreed to train and supervise her, and she now has a power level of >70,000.
-[X] We discussed telling Dad again, and she agreed to do so - and now here we are.

-[X] Throughout all of this, show Dad carefully selected memories via telepathy, reinforcing/confirming our points.
-[X] If at any point Dad brings up the idea of "marrying her in", point out how shy she is and that it would probably be better for us to bring her in as a close friend.

Thoughts?

EDIT: Formatting
At the moment my plan is this, but I'm updating the post as I go. Feel free to make suggestions!

EDIT: I might rename it to "Plan Deathbybunnies" to cut down on confusion though.
 
Last edited:
At the moment my plan is this, but I'm updating the post as I go. Feel free to make suggestions!

EDIT: I might rename it to "Plan Deathbybunnies" to cut down on confusion though.
Do/would you want to consider having all of that happen basically right before Maya meets with him? I do think there's merit to the discussion about not having us telling him be hugely separat from Maya being there to talk to him.

EDIT:
[X] Plan Deathbybunnies
 
Do/would you want to consider having all of that happen basically right before Maya meets with him? I do think there's merit to the discussion about not having us telling him be hugely separat from Maya being there to talk to him.

EDIT:
[X] Plan Deathbybunnies
Sure. We clearly don't want Maya in the room - or possibly in the building, depending on her ki-enhanced senses, but it's happening on the weekend. I would be gobsmacked if Dad didn't want to pretty much immediately meet Maya afterwards, but I can explicitly add in "ask Maya to wait outside while we talk to Dad" at the start. EDIT: Have done so.
My only real objection to Deathbybunnies' plan is that it's too long and involved.
Why is that a bad thing? If the situation deviates too far from the Plan's specifications to match, then it has been demonstrated previously (calling Dad, etc.) that @PoptartProdigy will stop and call a new vote on how to handle the new situation.
 
Sure, but It'll be as a contingency that won't trigger unless it's explicitly brought up.
EDIT:
-[] If at any point Dad brings up the idea of "marrying her in", point out how shy she is and that it would probably be better for us to bring her in as a close friend.
Also the point that her power makes marrying her in difficult. We need to tie her to us, and no one else.
 
You make a face, remembering that. You've always known that you'd need to give birth to the next Scion, but it's always been a long time away. You don't like being reminded that you'll be expected to do that. It sounds uncomfortable and gross and painful and- just urgh!
This raises an interesting question for me. What happens if the Scion is unable to reproduce for some reason, most likely due to damage to the necessary parts? Are they replaced?
 
This raises an interesting question for me. What happens if the Scion is unable to reproduce for some reason, most likely due to damage to the necessary parts? Are they replaced?
My first guess would be that they would take a niece or nephew as their Scion - but considering how upon having an heir they immediately ascend to the position of Lord/Lady... hmmm.
Maybe their advanced healing techniques mean that so long as the Scion lives, their reproductive ability is never in question? Senzu beans are pretty great.
 
Voting is open
Back
Top