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Wait. We have Telepathy now, right?

After we tell Berra about Maya, can't we sort of show him the memories? If he sees how shy/skittish Maya is it should reinforce our position of drawing things out for a full 6 months.
 
Wait. We have Telepathy now, right?

After we tell Berra about Maya, can't we sort of show him the memories? If he sees how shy/skittish Maya is it should reinforce our position of drawing things out for a full 6 months.
That's either a great idea or really terrible one, given what else is in our memories - I think we'd need a ruling from @PoptartProdigy on both whether that's possible and if there's any risk of other memories being seen. EDIT: Especially if in our memories about this, our treasonous activities crossed our mind.
 
That's either a great idea or really terrible one, given what else is in our memories - I think we'd need a ruling from @PoptartProdigy on both whether that's possible and if there's any risk of other memories being seen. EDIT: Especially if in our memories about this, our treasonous activities crossed our mind.

You could do it, and Telepathy doesn't misbroadcast.
 
Pretty sure 'doesn't misbroadcast' is as in 'doesn't send anything you didn't intend'.
I just realised that if we'd forgotten about having thought about the treason during the memory... we'd have forgotten about having thought about the treason during the memory so it wouldn't be in the memory anyway. It's foolproof! Which is just as well, as I am apparently a fool.
 
So, just as a possibility, we could also approach this from a stance where we don't even hint that we think we did anything wrong. So we'd say something like:

"Dad, I discovered someone extremely potentially powerful and have been working to make sure that they're on our side for the last six months. I've been working on getting them to let me set up a meeting with you, and they only just agreed. They only know that you and I also have Ki, and apart from what I've shown them while I was setting this up are entirely self taught."

Because honestly, that's all true, it frames this as something we've done that's impressive, rather than as us apologizing, and it makes this something more official and less personal, which is helpful considering that there were always going to be doubts about our judgement due to being friends with Maya
 
[x] Dad, I discovered someone extremely potentially powerful and have been working to make sure that they're on our side for the last six months. I've been working on getting them to let me set up a meeting with you, and they only just agreed. They only know that you and I also have Ki, and apart from what I've shown them while I was setting this up are entirely self taught.

I like it enough to vote for it, but I don't like the whole "exact words" thing. So...
 
Since I'm not sleep deprived any more, decided to turn the script vote into something a bit less pretentious... and possibly shamelessly rip off a few good parts of other people's votes.

[X] Plan Apologize mk. II
- [X] "Dad, we need to talk."
- [X] Point out that he's raised us to keep her promises.
- [X] Tell him that we made a promise to a friend to keep a secret, and we kept it even if we should have told him. Then apologize for not telling him.
- [X] Explain that we met a human who was not only a ki user, but a very powerful one. (At least for a human.)
- [X] Tell him that she had found out about us through the Garenhulder martial arts class, and decided to reveal to us that she could use ki too.
- [X] Emphasize that she only knows about the ki use though. She thought they were superpowers after all. She has no idea about the masquerade or anything related to that.
- [X] Say that we wanted to tell him, but she was so afraid of anyone else finding out that she made us promise to keep it a secret.
- [X] Admit that we did... she was just so pitiable and scared that we couldn't say no. Point out that she's been so beaten down by the scorn of the other Garenhulders for her curious nature that she's come away with a stutter and that if we rejected her here, she may have closed off and never trusted anyone again.
- [X] State that she asked for help with her training, and we figured it would be better for us to help her than to just let her stumble around on her own and maybe get discovered.
- [X] Tell him that we've been training her... and also trying to get her more comfortable with the idea of opening up. That we figured it was only a matter of time before we convinced her to come to him.
- [X] "I didn't like lying to you during that time, but I made a promise to one of my best friends and I just couldn't break that promise. I just couldn't!"
- [X] Let him know that she finally said it was okay to tell him... that we convinced her that he wouldn't be mean to her like a regular Garenhulder adult would have been.
- [X] Vehemently state if she had ever threatened the masquerade in any way, we would have told him in a heartbeat, promise or no promise. We know that that is something way too important to mess around with.
- [X] Tell him it's Maya, our friend from school.
- [X] Finish off by apologizing once again for keeping this from him.
 
Alright. This is basically what I and Lailoken said, copypasted and with brackets, telling dad on the weekend to explain the situation before bringing Maya and showing him memories of what happened to reinforce our points. This is not the exact phrasing Kakara will use.

[x] Plan Hope (this gets summarized)

-[] Wait until the weekend, like we promised Maya. Make sure we aren't in Multiform at the time.

-[] Tell Dad we have something important to discuss

-[] Throughout all of this, show Dad carefully selected memories via telepathy, reinforcing/confirming our points.

-[] Tell Dad that 6 months ago, our friend came to us and told us that she'd had "superpowers" for years, and that she knew we had them too - and proceeded to prove it by getting into a spar with us.

--[] She knew we were like her from seeing us in a Garenhulder martial arts class - no-one who wasn't aware of the possibility noticed anything odd.

-[] We discovered she was a ki user because she figured out we were one too. By that point in time she thought they were super power and she had and still has no idea about the extent of ki use or the existence of saiyans. The masquerade is intact, she hasn't told anybody, and she didn't have any idea why she could do what she does. Revealing herself to anybody was a huge breakthrough for her, and she wasn't ready to share with anyone else.

-[] Since she had already come to us, we had two options to explain and stop her from getting more suspicious: We could pretend she was right and our powers were recent and we had no idea what they were or we could admit we were trained in them without mentioning anything relating saiyans.

-[] We decided to tell her that we were trained with them to stablish us as more informed than her and make her respect our opinions about it further so we could properly show her how to hide her abilities and keep a closer watch on how they developed. For this, we admitted that dad also could do it and had trained us. Since she already knew others could be like her and this didn't reveal the full extent of ki use across Garenhuld plus it gave her an incentive to come forward to dad herself about this if she wanted to further develop her skills, we considered this didn't hurt the masquerade that much over what her discovery did already and by admitting our family didn't want it known that we could do this, we could further guilt her into being more careful with her abilities since it was no longer just her secret to tell. She was already predisposed not to tell others but every bit helps.

-[] We miscalculated in that regard since she didn't want to tell others. She already had a bad experience with people not believing her when she was younger and such she didn't want to tell an adult. On one hand, this was convenient to us since it made it even more unlikely for her to show off her skills on top of her timid personality but she wanted us to keep this secret. Once this happened, we had three options: We could promise not to tell and come to dad anyways, we could force the issue or we could keep the spirit of the promise while coaxing her into coming to him herself. While the fact that she is our friend did play a part in our decision, we had to consider what was best for saiyan society and our house. In the end, her power level and potential made us reach the conclusion that the approach we ended up taking was the one that would be most beneficial to all parties in the long run.

-[] He knows how dangerous an untrained ki user training herself is, and then there's the issue of the masquerade or any other Saiyans detecting her, so we've been building her trust by teaching her self-control for a few months, and it finally paid off when she agreed to meet him about this. Teaching her to hide herself better in order to protect her was a big part of why we chose to do so but not the only reason. We wanted her to be happy with what would happen with her and, to be honest, we also wanted to share something with her but those were not the only reasons we did so, since we think the way we approached this would be better in the long run to integrate her and protect our society.

-[] When she came to us, she had a power level over nine hundreds with no real training behind it, which showed she had a talent beyond any recorded human save Uub. This meant that we knew she would be powerful if she received proper training and we knew she would come to the attention of saiyans eventually as she grew older and into her power. Once we knew about her, normal procedure is to tail her, make sure that she didn't tell anyone and arrange for her to fall in love and marry a saiyan. Maya's unique situation makes it so that this course of action is not the best one to take. For one, unlike normal cases, she can use ki which makes it so it would be harder to keep things quiet if there was some breach as there would be more evidence. For two, she would have access to our training methods when she was introduced to our society and she has the potential to end up as a power in Frieza's scale. While we are confident that she would not train to that extend if we asked properly, the potential is there. If she married into our community as a way to introduce her to it, her first loyalty would be to the house she marries into since they would be her family and her husband the man she loves. We trust her but it is our duty to plan for every eventuality and thus we want to tie that kind of potential as close to house Goku as possible. Since we don't know if the one who would catch her interest would be from it, that meant tying her to us which also has the benefit of placing her under our wing; we don't want people to use or see her because of her political value and while that is somewhat inevitable due to her relationship with us we want to shield her from that as much as we can. Our friendship is a good way to go about it and by the time she could marry we could easily be best friends, especially since we share a secret. However, she would then find out that we kept something this big a secret from her for years which would put a strain on it and it doesn't hurt to strengthen it more now. If we had come behind her back or forced the issue it would make that goal harder but we could hardly keep this from dad since it would be against our duty and people. This is when her high potential came up again and helped make our decision.

-[] The moment we mentioned we were trained, she was likely to ask for the same instruction. Not only did this let us keep a closer watch to her and bind her closer to us by having a mentor student relationship but we knew her power level would climb fast. One way or another, be it because we told that (with or without her permission) or because she would grow too strong not to sense, we knew he would find out about her before the end of the year. When we started training her, we told her dad would sense her eventually as she grew stronger so her choices would be to stop altogether or come clean to him. She is ten and we offered super powers so she wasn't going to choose the first so she would either be sensed or agreed to come to him before that happened; either way it meant that he would know about the situation before the year ended even if we did make that promise and only meant that there would be a few months' delay which wasn't that great in the long run. Furthermore, while we would get in trouble if she was sensed before she was ready and there is the potential we would get in trouble for deciding this on our own even if she wasn't and we came to him, going about it this way made it more likely for her to feel indebted to us for getting into trouble or risking it for her sake even though the promise didn't really endanger us that much.

-[] Besides, while we trust her and all we have seen point to it not being an issue, she needed a greater understanding of the danger of ki than the normal humans who discover a saiyan. This way, once she learns how to sense ki, there would be no need to tell her how outclassed she would be if she decided to do something unadvisable. She would be able to see it for herself and know it on a level other humans are simply not able to.

-[] That said, she wants to come forward. One of her biggest issues is about people not believing her and thinking her stupid or a liar about her powers, especially adults, to the point she is afraid of that even though she had proof and has gone out of her way to keep things secret. Dad has no reason not to believe her or being mean about it. She currently has no authority figures she trusts in regards to this other than us and we can see she would like a place in which she would not be considered weird about this. We have also told her that teaching her sensing, which would be the biggest threat to the masquerade, is something that Berra would have to decide whether we can do or not since it affects other people. With all of this in consideration, we think that the best way to ensure compliance while minimizing problems in the long run would be to make her trust him and develop an emotional attachment.

-[] Also, she is our friend and shy and sensitive and worried people will be mean to her. So try not to frighten her?

-[] So, in summary, masquerade intact, really strange maybe-human who trusts us enough to be cooperative and will probably embrace Saiyan society with open arms, and you need to be extra nice to her because she's insecure as all get-out. Also, either she's a one-in-tens-of-billions-level human, or something else under some sort of masque, so something really weird is up and you might want to have a sorcerer take a look at her as soon as it won't result in her freaking out

-[] Once we have explained the situation to him and get across that it would be really important to us if he were nice to her, ask him for his opinion about how we could have handled this better and ask him how he plans to handle the meeting/what we are going to do about this.

-[] Then, when that is clear, go look for Maya and bring her so that she can meet dad. Accompany her during their meeting as we promised.

Please just copy the plan name if you vote for this. That way if you have suggestions about something I should add we only need to change this post.
 
I'd emphasize that she detected Kakara's powers by actually sparring with her, and that she confirmed them by trying to hit Kakara hard enough that anything less than a superhuman response would have been lethal. Make it very clear that Kakara did not screw up and did not have the opportunity to deny. She was dealing with a fait accompli of her superhuman status being known through no fault of her own.
 
I'd emphasize that she detected Kakara's powers by actually sparring with her, and that she confirmed them by trying to hit Kakara hard enough that anything less than a superhuman response would have been lethal. Make it very clear that Kakara did not screw up and did not have the opportunity to deny. She was dealing with a fait accompli of her superhuman status being known through no fault of her own.
While I agree with your point about making it clear it wasn't our fault she discovered, I think that was included in the showing the memories bit? I mean, I have no problema with mentioning explicitly to emphasize it but I am having trouble in how to get the idea across. While Kakara won't use the same wording we do, saying that Maya attacked us would not exactly predispose her to him even if we were perfectly safe and might in fact remind him of the time Jaffur hit us after he became super saiyan and almost killed us to forcé a zenkai.

I am all for the idea, I just need some help with the wording for the vote to make it clear we don't want to give said idea.

I think that the part that says
-[] Tell Dad that 6 months ago, our friend came to us and told us that she'd had "superpowers" for years, and that she knew we had them too - and proceeded to prove it by getting into a spar with us.
--[] She knew we were like her from seeing us in a Garenhulder martial arts class - no-one who wasn't aware of the possibility noticed anything odd.

when coupled with the part of showing him memories to emphasize the point covered us showing him how it happened but if you can come up with a better way to put it I will add it. I almost put a part specifically saying that we should show him the spar and Maya's story but I thought that was covered in the wording.
 
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Speaking of which, it might now be a terrible thing if the new, self-taught telepath "accidentally" included the bits right before Maya's big reveal. Y'know, Jaffur breaking out.
 
Speaking of which, it might now be a terrible thing if the new, self-taught telepath "accidentally" included the bits right before Maya's big reveal. Y'know, Jaffur breaking out.
Yes. It would be terrible since it would likely increase the security around him and might forcé Dandeer to reinforce the sealing.

That said, something to consider. If Maya is introduced to saiyan society, she might learn about the invasión and the sealing.
 
Speaking of which, it might now be a terrible thing if the new, self-taught telepath "accidentally" included the bits right before Maya's big reveal. Y'know, Jaffur breaking out.
Far too risky to pull on such short notice, and is liable to backfire massively - it could easily be taken as his "sealed saiyan badness" breaking free.
 
But I guess in the balance you're probably right: keeping the non-life-threatening secret for one friend we've known for a couple of years is totally more important than the secrets (and possibly existence) of our family, clan, and entire race.
You are trumping up the dangers of keeping Maya's powers a secret beyond all reasonable expectations.

What would've most likely happened if they stayed secret was that Maya trains up to the maximum she can, then stops. She'll continue using her powers as she's always been, she just won't train hard for the purpose of making them more powerful. Your idea that keeping it a secret would've resulted in human-Saiyan conflict is completely silly and absurd.

The worst that would've happened is she would've been sensed, Dad would find out, the Saiyans would get upset about the Scion's actions, and there would've been some political furore about the Masquerade. Dad would've calmed them down, we would've gotten in trouble, and the stuff that happens to Maya is the same stuff that'll happen after she tells Dad now.

No. Wrong. This is a failure of the plan, one made as if you hadn't even read the last update. Maya is going to be the one telling Dad about her powers. We're not telling Dad about her powers, she is. We're going to be there to be with her and support her, as she requested. The plans we need to make now are what we'll say if Dad asks us in the middle of that conversation why we kept it a secret and why we trained her, or what we'll say if he asks us about that stuff afterwards. Telling Dad about Maya's powers before Maya tells him about them isn't something we're going to do.
 
No. Wrong. This is a failure of the plan, one made as if you hadn't even read the last update. Maya is going to be the one telling Dad about her powers. We're not telling Dad about her powers, she is. We're going to be there to be with her and support her, as she requested. The plans we need to make now are what we'll say if Dad asks us in the middle of that conversation why we kept it a secret and why we trained her, or what we'll say if he asks us about that stuff afterwards. Telling Dad about Maya's powers before Maya tells him about them isn't something we're going to do.
1- That is a rude way to express disagreement.
2- You are wrong. We have to tell dad about the situation with Maya.
Namely: Two has just informed you that you have the responsibility of telling Dad about Maya, who Two has finally gotten to agree to opening up.
How do you tell your father about the situation with Maya?

[ ] Write-in.
3- For all that you point out that it is as if he didn't read the update, this makes it seem as if you didn't read the discussion since every plan goes about how we tell dad, not just his. Sincé the post you quoted is barely after the update and before any serious discussion...
 
You are trumping up the dangers of keeping Maya's powers a secret beyond all reasonable expectations.

What would've most likely happened if they stayed secret was that Maya trains up to the maximum she can, then stops. She'll continue using her powers as she's always been, she just won't train hard for the purpose of making them more powerful. Your idea that keeping it a secret would've resulted in human-Saiyan conflict is completely silly and absurd.

The worst that would've happened is she would've been sensed, Dad would find out, the Saiyans would get upset about the Scion's actions, and there would've been some political furore about the Masquerade. Dad would've calmed them down, we would've gotten in trouble, and the stuff that happens to Maya is the same stuff that'll happen after she tells Dad now.

But then again we weren't arguing about whether we should keep her secret in normal circumstances. As I've said before, I have no problem with keeping her secret in normal circumstances. We were arguing about when I said that I wouldn't keep her secret if it endangered the masquerade or our society as a whole and you blew up at me like breaking the secret was the most vile thing we could have done.

To be clear: we were not talking about the situation as it stands right now. We were talking about some future hypothetical situation where keeping Maya's secret was a direct threat to the masquerade.

So please, before you lay into me, make sure you're actually attacking what I say.

No. Wrong. This is a failure of the plan, one made as if you hadn't even read the last update. Maya is going to be the one telling Dad about her powers. We're not telling Dad about her powers, she is. We're going to be there to be with her and support her, as she requested. The plans we need to make now are what we'll say if Dad asks us in the middle of that conversation why we kept it a secret and why we trained her, or what we'll say if he asks us about that stuff afterwards. Telling Dad about Maya's powers before Maya tells him about them isn't something we're going to do.
(Bold added for emphasis)

Last update begs to differ:

Namely: Two has just informed you that you have the responsibility of telling Dad about Maya, who Two has finally gotten to agree to opening up.
(Again, bolded for emphasis)

So yeah. Maybe I'm not the one who should have read the section?

...

And I'm sorry if I'm coming across as mean-spirited or snippy, but this is the second time you've laid into me like you're trying to scold a dense child or a pet and it kinda pisses me off.
 
And I'm sorry if I'm coming across as mean-spirited or snippy, but this is the second time you've laid into me like you're trying to scold a dense child or a pet and it kinda pisses me off.
Ok. Calming down now.

@PoptartProdigy, the last few updates were about getting Maya to tell Dad about her powers. We've just convinced Maya to tell Dad about her powers. Now it's saying we're supposed to tell Dad about Maya's powers, not Maya herself. This is confusing.
 
@PoptartProdigy, the last few updates were about getting Maya to tell Dad about her powers. We've just convinced Maya to tell Dad about her powers. Now it's saying we're supposed to tell Dad about Maya's powers, not Maya herself. This is confusing.
"I'm not, I'll be there when Maya does," is a perfectly legitimate answer to the prompt presented, in this case. An all write-in vote like this is meant to give you all significant latitude and freedom in how you approach the situation. You're locked into revealing Maya to Dad, but otherwise go nuts.
 
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