Dragon Ball: After the End

Deathbybunnies · Jan 4, 2017

Andres110 said:
Why would we be worried? She can keep a secret, so why would we be scared that she knows about Dad?

EDIT: Ah, because we accidentally ratted him out as well. Might want to specify that.

Edited to make that more obvious.

Andres110 said:
Why do we want to convince her? There is no reason to make this any more complex than it needs to be, especially so soon after Maya's revelation.

Dealing with her secretly and spending time with her doing ki stuff is in the long run almost certainly going to be less complex than getting her to show this to Dad, and having him help deal with the consequences - having things out in the open, so that you don't have to keep one a secret from the other, is definitely easier in the long run. (Although it will probably be a little more complex/take slightly longer in the short run.)

Andres · Jan 4, 2017

Deathbybunnies said:
(Although it will probably be a little more complex/take slightly longer in the short run.)

Assuming you're correct in your thinking, this is fine. Convince her to tell Dad later, but right now it's a suboptimal tactic that unnecessarily strains our relationship for nothing but more problems. At the very least we should take it easy for now.

Deathbybunnies · Jan 4, 2017

Andres110 said:
Assuming you're correct in your thinking, this is fine. Convince her to tell Dad later, but right now it's a suboptimal tactic that unnecessarily strains our relationship for nothing but more problems. At the very least we should take it easy for now.

Yeah, I want to try and convince her now, but only subtly - not pushing her.

Andres · Jan 4, 2017

Deathbybunnies said:
Yeah, I want to try and convince her now, but only subtly - not pushing her.

It's still unnecessary complicating the whole thing, creating problems with the Saiyans, Maya, and the Masquerade for something that in the end doesn't have to complicate anything. Right now it's just a cool thing we can both do and nothing more unless we MAKE it something more and doing so is a bad thing. Successfully convincing her now is a thing we should avoid.

PoptartProdigy · Jan 4, 2017

Voting is now open! As per the five-point, all-caps, bolded, centered text at the bottom of the update.

I look forward to seeing everybody casting their votes for what I know will be the first and only time since the update was posted.

Seriously, folks, I do have a reason for those moratoriums.

The Fourth Monado · Jan 4, 2017

[X] Ask Maya what's wrong.
-[X] In fact, hug her again. Couldn't hurt.

Deathbybunnies · Jan 4, 2017

Andres110 said:
It's still unnecessary complicating the whole thing, creating problems with the Saiyans, Maya, and the Masquerade for something that in the end doesn't have to complicate anything. Right now it's just a cool thing we can both do and nothing more unless we MAKE it something more and doing so is a bad thing. Successfully convincing her now is a thing we should avoid.

That ship has already sailed - we've told her that Dad can do it, and has trained us.

[X] Ask Maya what's wrong.
-[X] In fact, hug her again. Couldn't hurt.
--[X] We thought she was keeping it a secret because no-one else could do this, and told us because we can... so we figured she'd be happy to tell Dad since he can do it too.
---[X] If she insists, then we won't insist...
----[X] ...But now we're worried about having told her that Dad can do it too without him knowing. It's a secret to everyone!

This can be used as an argument to subtly convince her, or just an admittance that we just screwed up, depending on the context of what she says. It's flexible!

Hey @PoptartProdigy , did we miss the trait?

Bommelom · Jan 4, 2017

[X] Ask Maya what's wrong.
-[X] In fact, hug her again.
-[X] If she has a strong reason to refuse...you could teach her some of what you learn instead? But it'd have to be a secret too, you would get into huge trouble

I didn't want us to tell Berra to begin with, so.

PoptartProdigy · Jan 4, 2017

Deathbybunnies said:
Hey @PoptartProdigy , did we miss the trait?

Didn't happen. May, depending on where the conversation goes.

Deathbybunnies · Jan 4, 2017

PoptartProdigy said:
Didn't happen. May, depending on where the conversation goes.

Alright, the trait is probably for phoning Dad then... but I still don't want to push her any harder than "gently".

Andres · Jan 4, 2017

What trait are you two talking about?

Deathbybunnies said:
That ship has already sailed - we've told her that Dad can do it, and has trained us.

It hasn't. We can still stop trying to convince her.

[X] Plan Water Under the Bridge
[X] Ask Maya what's wrong.
-[X] In fact, hug her again. Couldn't hurt.
--[X] We thought she was keeping it a secret because no-one else could do this, and told us because we can, so we figured she'd be happy to tell Dad since he can do it too.
---[X] But if she doesn't want to tell him, that's fine. It's completely up to her.
----[X] ...But now we've told her that Dad can do it too without him knowing, so she has to keep that a secret too! It's a secret to everyone!
-----[X] If everything is said, done, and resolved, tease her. "So...you think I'm pretty?"

Deathbybunnies · Jan 4, 2017

Andres110 said:
What trait are you two talking about?

PoptartProdigy said:
Apropos of nothing in particular, it's time for me to assign vote weighting to write-ins.

Vote Tally : Sci-Fi - Dragon Ball: After the End | Page 259 | Sufficient Velocity
##### NetTally 1.7.5

[x] Go to maximum for your masque and end the fight with a hug.
[x] Talk about this with Maya.
-[x] Raw talent only takes you so far...
--[x] ...We should talk to my dad about this, he's the one who trained me!
---[x] Phone Dad
No. of Votes: 5
anailater
Aranfan
ElleonXan
GilliamYaeger
pianoman

[X] Plan "Yer a ki user, Maya"
[x] Keep the fight going for a bit, drawing her out step by step; before you settle this down you want to see exactly how much power Maya has socked away.
-[x] But don't let her handle you your ass. Keep things more or less even, be it by power or skill.
-[x] Then de-escalate.
[x] Talk about this with Maya.
-[x] She did good in keeping this quiet. There are others like us and they have gone to great lenghts to keep this quiet. Power like this usually runs in families and for someone to have come into it without being from any of the clans would have drawn their attention.
-[x] We will have to discuss this with our dad. He is head of our clan and would know best how to properly introduce her to others like us.
No. of Votes: 4
Plan: ◈"Yer a ki user, Maya"
adaer
Alanek
Bakkasama
KnightDisciple

[X] Keep the fight going for a bit, drawing her out step by step; before you settle this down you want to see exactly how much power Maya has socked away.
-[X] Then de-escalate.
No. of Votes: 2
veekie
Nathaniel Wolff

[X] (x0.1) BOW BEFORE KAKARA, PUNY HUMAN! HOW DARE YOU SUGGEST LIKENESS BETWEEN US?! Go saiyan. Put the fear of you into this upstart (my goodness is this out of character, but it amuses me to include it).
-[X] (x0.01) In fact, go whole hog on this. Super Saiyan, now. Clearly this is a warranted and proportional response to the situation at hand.
No. of Votes: 2
SMuha
Katsuragi

[X] Plan Plan Fusion
-[X] Keep the fight going for a bit, drawing her out step by step; before you settle this down you want to see exactly how much power Maya has socked away.
--[X] Then de-escalate.
---[X] By powering up ~25% more than her observed maximum and hugging her.
-[X] Talk to Maya
--[X] Raw Talent - like yours - only takes you so far.
--[X] Explain the basics of ki, including ki blasts (but no demonstration), and that it can be improved by training. Tell her anyone can do it, but she seems to be naturally gifted with it. Do NOT use the word 'mutant'.
--[X] Tell her that lots of your knowledge comes from a strange man you have met in your dreams (probably an ancestor of yours, as you've been calling him grandpa) has been telling you about this since you were little.
---[X] Also, you can see the future sometimes. Dream-Grandpa says that's not something everyone can do, though. (We are still Oddballs, and the bouncing around of topics is intended to keep her conversationally flat-footed)
-[X] Tell her you think it's good that she keeps this a secret, because it might otherwise scare people in not-fun ways.
-[X] After the conversation is over, talk to Dad ASAP. Tell him everything about the encounter, and ask for his advice.
--[X] We really don't want her to be sealed, killed, or forced to marry a Saiyan.
---[X] Maybe this can help Saiyans in the long run? Encourage ki-using humans, so Masqued Saiyans can blend in better?
No. of Votes: 1
Plan: ◈Plan Fusion
KaintukeeBob

[X] Plan "Keep it simple"
[x] Go to a power level of 20,000 and end this fight with a hug.
[x] Talk about this with Maya.
-[x] Raw talent only takes you so far...
--[x] ...We should talk to my dad about this, he's the one who trained me!
---[x] Phone Dad
No. of Votes: 1
Plan: ◈"Keep it simple"
Deathbybunnies

[X] Keep the fight going for a bit, drawing her out step by step; before you settle this down you want to see exactly how much power Maya has socked away.
-[X] Then de-escalate.
--[X] then hug Maya
No. of Votes: 1
ChildishChimera

[x] Go to a power level of 20,000 and end this fight with a hug..
[x] Talk about this with Maya.
-[x] Raw talent only takes you so far...
--[x] ...We should talk to my dad about this, he's the one who trained me!
---[x] Phone Dad
No. of Votes: 1
Alex pears

[X] (x0.1) BOW BEFORE KAKARA, PUNY HUMAN! HOW DARE YOU SUGGEST LIKENESS BETWEEN US?! Go saiyan. Put the fear of you into this upstart (my goodness is this out of character, but it amuses me to include it).
No. of Votes: 1
DkArthas

[X] Keep the fight going for a bit, drawing her out step by step; before you settle this down you want to see exactly how much power Maya has socked away.
-[X] Then de-escalate.
[X] Talk about this with Maya.
-[X] Explain ki to Maya, and tell her that while she has more innate power than most, you're not sure you'd call it superpowers, as everyone could get that powerful with proper training.
--[X] Show off a ki blast and explain that physical strength isn't all you can use ki for.
-[X] In order to explain how you know all of this, tell her that you sometimes have visions of both the past, present, future and other things, and that an old man you see in your dreams (probably an ancestor of yours, as you've been calling him grandpa) has been telling you about this since you were little.
No. of Votes: 1
Bommelom

Total No. of Voters: 19

[x] Go to maximum for your masque and end the fight with a hug.

Essentially a "de-escalate" write-in. No weighting.

[x] Phone Dad

No current vote-weighted traits apply. No weighting.

[x] But don't let her handle you your ass. Keep things more or less even, be it by power or skill.

Redundant with its super-option. No vote weighting and will be merged with any plans where this is the sole difference.

No additional weighting need be assigned to any write-ins. In addition, the various options with the same general thrust as the above three will be merged where applicable. This does not, however, include the various options specifying different power levels for hug-based fight ending, which will be counted separately. I also must announce that one of the above write-ins will lead to the development of a trait. Consider carefully.

Andres · Jan 4, 2017

I don't think I want a trait that involves disregarding what our friends want.

EDIT: Unless the trait was from keeping the fight even. That sounds like it would be a pretty decent trait.

Tarantio · Jan 4, 2017

[X] Ask Maya what's wrong.
-[X] In fact, hug her again.
-[X] Explain to her that you have a secret you want to share too and that it's related to having "superpowers", but it's not your secret alone, so you need to call your dad to ask permission first.

I think that we should head her wishes, but she is also a potential risk with the masquerade and we should involve our dad more since its his job to maintain said masquerade and we are straining our relationship with him as it is with our cospiracy against him. So I think we should clarify more why we want to involve him.

Sif the Wolf · Jan 4, 2017

[X] Ask Maya what's wrong.

Andres · Jan 4, 2017

Tarantio said:
-[X] Explain to her that you have a secret you want to share too and that it's related to having "superpowers", but it's not your secret alone, so you need to call your dad to ask permission first.

He will say 'no' unless we tell him about Maya and telling him about Maya is something we should not do.

Tarantio said:
she is also a potential risk with the masquerade

No more than any Saiyan. Less of one than most, actually. She's shown quite well that she wants to keep her powers secret and she's been keeping it a secret for years.

Tarantio said:
since its his job to maintain said masquerade

Nothing good will happen to Maya if we tell him and telling him won't protect the Masquerade any more than letting Maya keep it a secret on her own.

Tarantio said:
we are straining our relationship with him as it is with our cospiracy against him.

Our relationship isn't strained because of our conspiracy because the conspiracy is secret. Telling him about Maya will do nothing to mitigate the relationship effects of us committing treason.

Deathbybunnies · Jan 4, 2017

Andres110 said:
I don't think I want a trait that involves disregarding what our friends want.

EDIT: Unless the trait was from keeping the fight even. That sounds like it would be a pretty decent trait.

That's really not the "thought" behind the action though, which is what matters to a trait. I'm thinking more along the lines of "responsible".

Andres110 said:
Nothing good will happen to Maya if we tell him and telling him won't protect the Masquerade any more than letting Maya keep it a secret on her own.

I disagree, she'll get a community of like-minded people, training, and an explanation... if he decides to break the Masquerade. Otherwise, we just have someone helping us keep our story straight.

Gore17 · Jan 4, 2017

[X] Plan Water Under the Bridge
[X] Ask Maya what's wrong.
-[X] In fact, hug her again. Couldn't hurt.
--[X] We thought she was keeping it a secret because no-one else could do this, and told us because we can, so we figured she'd be happy to tell Dad since he can do it too.
---[X] But if she doesn't want to tell him, that's fine. It's completely up to her.
----[X] ...But now we've told her that Dad can do it too without him knowing, so she has to keep that a secret too! It's a secret to everyone!
-----[X] If everything is said, done, and resolved, tease her. "So...you think I'm pretty?"

Lailoken · Jan 4, 2017

I think we're all neglecting a landmine here. This is a Class S crush. Backed by major secrets potentially jeopardizing even more major secrets. There is a reason that so much anime has a trope of the jealous younger "friend" getting jealous and insecure, often to the point of causing major trouble or outright sabotage over trivial misunderstandings, when her older half has her attention drawn elsewhere. She isn't exactly the most stable of kids to begin with.

Tarantio · Jan 4, 2017

Andres110 said:
He will say 'no' unless we tell him about Maya and telling him about Maya is something we should not do.

No more than any Saiyan. Less of one than most, actually. She's shown quite well that she wants to keep her powers secret and she's been keeping it a secret for years.

Nothing good will happen to Maya if we tell him and telling him won't protect the Masquerade any more than letting Maya keep it a secret on her own.

Our relationship isn't strained because of our conspiracy because the conspiracy is secret. Telling him about Maya will do nothing to mitigate the relationship effects of us committing treason.

She is a risk because she is a child with superpowers without adult supervision and she could potentially be an half or quarter saiyan, making her an huge risk if she is discovered and someone check her dna or for other people with her powers.

We have mages and psychic peoples, if it's a problem they can alter her mind without harming her.

We are asking her to talk to our dad about her ki powers and the possibility of including her in the masquerade, that's not telling him without informing her first.

Last point he is one of the two leaders of our people and our dad, our not trusting him with jafar situation is straining our relationship with him, so we should at least trust him with things not related to that, if not we are subconsciously stating that we don't trust him to be our dad and leader anymore.

Gore17 · Jan 4, 2017

Tarantio said:
if not we are subconsciously stating that we don't trust him to be our dad and leader anymore

...You are?

Bakkasama · Jan 4, 2017

We are still not sure this is a crush. We are not. We. Are. Not.

Why the hell does it sound more likely every time I deny it?

Also, it sounds like the potential trait would be something aling the lines of tattletale.

[x] Plan Water Under the Bridge

I don't know who Water Under the Bridge is, but they sound like nice people.

PoptartProdigy · Jan 4, 2017

When I say a trait is developing, folks, I'm not trying to make you paranoid. It's my way of saying, "the next few updates will present you with some choices that are rather illustrative about yourself. Consider your actions carefully."

Andres · Jan 4, 2017

Deathbybunnies said:
I'm thinking more along the lines of "responsible".

I'm thinking that it'll be a milder form of what Byakuya from Bleach had.

Lailoken said:
This is a Class S crush.

There's nothing to suggest it's anything more than friendship. There's been no hints that she likes us in a non-platonic way.

Lailoken said:
She isn't exactly the most stable of kids to begin with.

How so? She seems pretty stable to me. She has a stutter but that's pretty minor.

Tarantio said:
She is a risk because she is a child with superpowers without adult supervision

As was Goku, as are we for the most part. Maya would be fine even if we weren't there for her, and we are, so even if there would've been a problem the point is rendered moot.

Tarantio said:
she could potentially be an half or quarter saiyan, making her an huge risk if she is discovered and someone check her dna or for other people with her powers.

This is wild mass guessing. Stick to arguments that are less outlandish.

Tarantio said:
We have mages and psychic peoples, if it's a problem they can alter her mind without harming her.

You say "altering her mind" like it's a good thing.

Tarantio said:
Last point he is one of the two leaders of our people and our dad, our not trusting him with jafar situation is straining our relationship with him, so we should at least trust him with things not related to that

We aren't trusting him with our Jaffur plot because he will make the wrong decision. He will make the wrong decision with Maya as well.

Tarantio said:
if not we are subconsciously stating that we don't trust him to be our dad and leader anymore.

This is silly.

Pandemonious Ivy · Jan 4, 2017

[X] "Huh. Is this about that crush you have on me?"

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