Dragon Ball: After the End

[Andres]

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Or if she wants to practice with Kakara, which can be countered by going to isolated locations that makes it unlikely for her to be sensed, which would have to be more and more remote as she grows stronger until she can be sensed from anywhere in the planet, which hopefully would be years down the line.

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Simple. When we get to that point, we'll tell her that she'll eventually get powerful enough that Dad will be able to sense her anyway. Then she'll decide whether she wants to go ahead and tell Dad or just not get any stronger.

Actually, I'd argue that it's our duty to, upon seeing our father make a huge mistake, attempt to rectify that mistake.

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Then it's our duty to make sure nothing unnecessarily bad happens to Maya for the sake of following the law.

Her ability to keep it a secret when she only uses it alone out in the woods is very different to her ability to keep it a secret when she uses it whilst interacting with the Scion.

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All we'd have to do is tell her not to light up when she's with us.

It would be telling her that we think we just made a mistake telling her about Dad if she isn't okay with telling him about herself. Which, frankly, it sort of was, except every other option except telling her nothing was even worse.

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Nothing bad has come of it and nothing bad will come of it.

Clarifying what happened would be admitting we didn't tell them about this.

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We'll still get in trouble, but an acceptable and tolerable amount of trouble, not "she's been breaching the Masquerade" trouble.

There is no way we get out of that conversation without Dad Mind Delving us - what if we're lying about this? Or hiding more? We are.

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We can get out of it by explaining what happened and why. It's the truth and he'll believe the truth. He doesn't have to Mind Delve us afterwards. If he does decide to Mind Delve us, we'll strike him. Invading our thoughts like that is something we find abhorrent and he'll understand that as well, or else he'll lose his daughter and this time he won't get her back.

 

[Deathbybunnies]

Then it's our duty to make sure nothing unnecessarily bad happens to Maya just because we want to follow the law.

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I again maintain that nothing bad will happen to her, because again if telling her about the Saiyan race and the Masquerade would cause problems, Dad will simply choose not to tell her about them, and will instead help us with a story. The concerns about what will happen if she finds out about the Saiyan race are therefore immaterial.

All we'd have to do is tell her not to light up when she's with us.

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She very clearly does not have perfect emotional control, so that's not necessarily possible. And do you honestly believe that having told us about her "superpowers" and discovering we have them too, she'd be okay with us not doing things with them together? Really?

Nothing bad has come of it and nothing bad will come of it.

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You can't know that.

We'll still get in trouble, but an acceptable and tolerable amount of trouble, not "she's been breaching the Masque" trouble.

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It's not about the initial amount of trouble, it's-

We can get out of it by explaining what happened and why. It's the truth and he'll believe the truth. He doesn't have to Mind Delve us afterwards. If he does decide to Mind Delve us, we'll strike him. Invading our thoughts like that is something we find abhorrent and he'll understand that as well, or else he'll lose his daughter and this time he won't get her back.

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-about the inevitable follow-up Mind Delve. No, not only will he absolutely Mind Delve us to make sure we're telling the truth and not hiding anything - because we were already hiding this - but getting violent and refusing to let him Mind Delve us when he tries? When he's using it to see if we're trying to hide anything else? Good grief, there is absolutely no way that would work. That's insane.

EDIT: Also, you claim it's impossible for her to be detected, but you ignored these two points:

Eventually, as a "galactic powerhouse" without a warded training hall of her own, she's going to be caught. It will likely happen before we pull off our Jaffur rescue. And then shit will hit the fan.

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I think you meant raise it, unless I'm going crazy. But actually, we have no idea if her control over her power level ever slips - such as, in times of stress - which will become much more obvious with a higher power level. And when training? We can't tell her not to use her power level then, that won't work!

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[Andres]

I again maintain that nothing bad will happen to her, because again if telling her about the Saiyan race and the Masquerade would cause problems, Dad will simply choose not to tell her about them, and will instead help us with a story.

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I disagree. I think Dad will be compelled to do something regardless of whether or not he should.

She very clearly does not have perfect emotional control, so that's not necessarily possible.

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I explained to Bakkasama why that isn't a problem.

And do you honestly believe that having told us about her "superpowers" and discovering we have them too, she'd be okay with us not doing things with them together? Really?

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I should clarify. I meant with us in places where Dad will notice us. In the woods, far away and stuff, that would be fine.

You can't know that.

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I know that nothing bad has yet happened because of it, as evidenced by the lack of said bad stuff in the updates. As for later, it's a reasonably good guess to make. Maya knows how important secrets are and she'll keep Dad's secret to herself. We can trust that she won't tell people about him.

Good grief, there is absolutely no way that would work. That's insane.

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He has to choose whether to trust that we have the best of intentions in mind and that we won't do anything unless we really thought it was the best thing to do, or he has to choose to permanently break his relationship with his daughter, not unlike how he did with Vegeta. I can guess pretty easily which he'll choose.

EDIT: Also, you claim it's impossible for her to be detected, but you ignored these two points:

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Check the posts I made in response to Bakkasama.

 

[Bakkasama]

-about the inevitable follow-up Mind Delve. No, not only will he absolutely Mind Delve us to make sure we're telling the truth and not hiding anything - because we were already hiding this - but getting violent and refusing to let him Mind Delve us when he tries? When he's using it to see if we're trying to hide anything else? Good grief, there is absolutely no way that would work. That's insane.

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That doesn't fit with what we know about him.

though you have reconciled, can likely never go back to the way things once were. Your father, you now recognize, is a man who defines himself by his failures, and inflicts endless punishment upon himself for them. He lives in the past, because he cannot bring himself to leave it behind.

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The Wise." Your father has a solid reputation as a capable mediator and administrator, who acts with patience and responsibility. He has successfully maintained the order of law in Clan Goku since his rise to the station of Lord, and even in these troubled times continues to do so with ease and aplomb while lending his support to the Regent Lady Vegeta's faltering rule.

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As the Rocks [Former Foundational Trait]: Your father is widely known for never acting without careful consideration of all points of view. If he were the PC he would experience constant and heavy vote weighting on all options in favor of patience, and he does receive large bonuses to any actions taken in moderation.

Ally to Good, Nightmare to You [Foundational Trait]: Your Dad speaks often and passionately about the importance of right behavior. Of everybody you know, you would call only him a true hero. He receives massive bonuses on all actions taken in what he believes to be the service of right.

Atoner [Foundational Trait]: Your father feels intense guilt for the mistakes he's made over the course of his life, having spent years being forced to watch as everything he strove for spun out of control as a direct result of his choices. He will nearly always decide to immediately commit to whatever course of action he views as permissible that will allow him to mitigate or reverse any consequences of his failures, and benefits from the full bonus of "Ally to Good, Nightmare to You" on any checks made in service to that course of action.

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He mind delved us because he was acting to atone for his greatest failure but otherwise he is patient. Furthermore, he lives in the past looking back at his mistakes. He won't mind delve Kakara without an extremely good reason because he doesn't want to strain their relationship again. Even then, it will only be after careful deliveration unless he is correcting a previous failure of his.

 

[Deathbybunnies]

I disagree. I think Dad will be compelled to do something regardless of whether or not he should.

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Dad's urge to act immediately is only caused by "fixing past mistakes", which this does not qualify as.

I explained to Bakkasama why that isn't a problem.

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Check the posts I made in response to Bakkasama.

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You argued that at her low current power level any emotional outbursts weren't detected. Not only does it not follow that at higher power levels it still won't be a problem, but unless I missed it, you didn't respond at all to the point that as a heavy-hitter-in-training she'll inevitably be outputting higher power levels whilst training in the future. Eventually, she will inevitably be discovered.

I should clarify. I meant with us in places where Dad will notice us. In the woods, far away and stuff, that would be fine.

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Fair enough, but I again argue that won't hold up at higher power levels.

I know that nothing bad has yet happened because of it, as evidence by the lack of said bad stuff in the updates. As for later, it's a reasonably good guess to make. Maya knows how important secrets are and she'll keep Dad's secret to herself. We can trust that she won't tell people about him.

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Again, higher power levels (we can probably prune this part of the discussion off, it's just repeating other points now.)

He has to choose whether to trust that we have the best of intentions in mind and that we won't do anything unless we really thought it was the best thing to do, or he has to choose to permanently break his relationship with his daughter, not unlike how he did with Vegeta.

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That doesn't fit with what we know about him.




He mind delved us because he was acting to atone for his greatest failure but otherwise he is patient. Furthermore, he lives in the past looking back at his mistakes. He won't mind delve Kakara without an extremely good reason because he doesn't want to strain their relationship again. Even then, it will only be after careful deliveration unless he is correcting a previous failure of his.

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This depends entirely on whether he views the Mind Delve as being a huge violation of someone's privacy or a useful little "check", no harm done. That probably depends on whether he can use it to just go and check a single thing "Is Kakara hiding anything else from me I should know about" or whether it's a more blanket "Show me everything you know!" I rather suspect that it's the former, not the latter, but as we have no evidence either way we can't really guess either way - in which case, this is a huge risk until we do find out (and still a smaller one if we find out it's the former, since he may still view it as "not a big deal" even as a full-mind scan. Rightly or wrongly*, many people have the view of "If you have nothing to hide, there's no problem!" And we aren't going to find out before this vote ends.

*I very firmly believe the answer to this is "wrongly", but it's by no means an uncommon point of view - especially to the people in a position to do it "I know I won't use it for anything bad!"

 

[Andres]

Dad's urge to act immediately is only caused by "fixing past mistakes", which this does not qualify as.

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He'll think before he acts, but he'll still act. That's the problem.

you didn't respond at all to the point that as a heavy-hitter-in-training she'll inevitably be outputting higher power levels whilst training in the future. Eventually, she will inevitably be discovered.

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I kinda did. We tell her that eventually her power will be enough that Dad will be able to sense her anyway. It's then up to her to choose whether to tell Dad or not get any more powerful. We're not pressuring her or lying to her, we're just telling her the inevitable result of what will happen when we get to the point where it matters.

This depends entirely on whether he views the Mind Delve as being a huge violation of someone's privacy or a useful little "check", no harm done.

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What he sees it as is irrelevant. It's what we see it as and how we react to it. Showing that we hate the idea is all that we need to do.

 

[Deathbybunnies]

He'll think before he acts, but he'll still act. That's the problem.

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Okay then. My current thinking is he'll do one of two things: Introduce her to the Saiyans and the Masquerade, with a warning not to tell anyone, and someone to keep an eye on her for a month or two/ ask us to keep an eye on her (this seems much more likely). Alternatively, he'll decide it's not worth the potential risk to the Masquerade, and back us up on whatever we jointly decide to tell her Ki is. What do you think he'll do?

I kinda did. We tell her that eventually her power will be enough that Dad will be able to sense her anyway. It's then up to her to choose whether to tell Dad or not get any more powerful. We're not pressuring her or lying to her, we're just telling her the inevitable result of what will happen when we get to the point where it matters.

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We could put that in the plan right now if you like?

What he sees it as is irrelevant. It's what we see it as and how we react to it. Showing that we hate the idea is all that we need to do.

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If he sees it as not a big deal, then our making a huge fuss about it is incredibly suspicious. If we have something to hide (which we do) then we'd of course try to convince him not to Mind Delve us (which is exactly what we would be doing.) He's not an idiot. Also, our deceit skill is really low, and our Dad is pretty much the premier politician of the entire Saiyan race. We aren't winning that roll. EDIT: I mean we almost certainly aren't winning that roll (call it 10%, to pick a number off of the top of my head). Obviously, we can't dictate the dice.

 

[Tarantio]

I don't understand why we should make a decision in witch we risk going nuclear option with kakara's dad. Yes it isn't likely that he will mind delve, but is just as unlikely that he would do anything bad to Maya.
And if we don't even try to convince her to trust our dad we are in the wrong in case something does happen, because you know we are the shion so we should be responsable for our people? In the best case scenario we are delaying a problem and the possibility of sharing our secret (thrus making her a friend instead of an aquitance) and give her an outlet in the form of a comunity that share her power and views on curiosity (through paranoid about discovery).
In case kakara's father decide to hurt Maya while we followed procedure we at least would have the moral high ground and could act more freely, if we don't and we are discovered we are just a disobedient brat trowing a tantrum and we lose most of the good will we gained with the church situation if it became pubblic.
Plus really she doesn't seem all that emotionally stable to me, I mean she distrust adults because they don't belive in innovation and from what I can tell feel isolated from the rest of humanity because of her powers, if that's not recipe for disaster I don't know what it is.

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That doesn't fit with what we know about him.




He mind delved us because he was acting to atone for his greatest failure but otherwise he is patient. Furthermore, he lives in the past looking back at his mistakes. He won't mind delve Kakara without an extremely good reason because he doesn't want to strain their relationship again. Even then, it will only be after careful deliveration unless he is correcting a previous failure of his.

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[Andres]

What do you think he'll do?

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Anything from getting someone to follow her, doing something with her mind, forcing her to not practice her powers, sending in tactical seduction squads, informing Saiyan society about Maya (or even that a human has ki at all), and more.

We could put that in the plan right now if you like?

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No. If we tell her now, she'll just see it as us pressuring her to tell Dad. If we tell her after we've definitively committed to letting her take the lead, she'll trust that we're telling the truth and that we're not trying to pressure her.

If he sees it as not a big deal, then our making a huge fuss about it is incredibly suspicious.

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It won't. He won't see it as a big deal, but he'll be able to see that it's certainly a big deal to us. He's not so stupid that he's incapable of seeing things from other peoples' points of view. He won't risk it when he already knows that Kakara's a good person, smart, and can generally be trusted to do the right thing.

Also, our deceit skill is really low, and our Dad is pretty much the premier politician of the entire Saiyan race.

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Our Deceit skill is irrelevant. "Dad, if you try to Mind Delve me, I will never forgive you and I will fight you" is not a lie. We genuinely hate the idea that he'd Mind Delve us. It wouldn't be a lie and thus wouldn't use Deceit.

 

[Deathbybunnies]

Anything from getting someone to follow her, doing something with her mind, forcing her to not practice her powers, sending in tactical seduction squads, informing Saiyan society about Maya (or even that a human has ki at all), and more.

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No. If we tell her now, she'll just see it as us pressuring her to tell Dad. If we tell her after we've definitively committed to letting her take the lead, she'll trust that we're telling the truth and that we're not trying to pressure her.

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Convincing her we aren't lying isn't an issue here. We can absolutely say "I think you should tell my Dad for these reasons, but won't tell him if you decide not to." That's giving someone relevant information to help them make a decision, the exact opposite of concealing information form her.

It won't. He won't see it as a big deal, but he'll be able to see that it's certainly a big deal to us. He's not so stupid that he's incapable of seeing things from other peoples' points of view. He won't risk it when he already knows that Kakara's a good person, smart, and can generally be trusted to do the right thing.

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In this hypothetical scenario, we have been caught hiding Maya's increased power level.
Dad says "Kakara, is this everything? Are you hiding anything else?"
We say "No, Dad, this is all, I swear."
He says "Well it's not that I don't trust you, but I really have to be sure about this sort of thing, so I'm just going to briefly Mind Delve you to make sure."
We refuse, and declare we hate it on a personal level and we'll never forgive him. If we refuse to let him Mind Delve us, the natural assumption is that we're hiding something. Even if we do hate the idea of the Mind Delve on a deep and personal level, it's still incredibly suspicious.

Our Deceit skill is irrelevant. "Dad, if you try to Mind Delve me, I will never forgive you and I will fight you" is not a lie. We genuinely hate the idea that he'd Mind Delve us. It wouldn't be a lie and thus wouldn't use Deceit.

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It's not an out-and-out lie, but it's being dishonest to conceal the truth. It is absolutely a deceit roll. And we would still have to lie, unless you're suggesting we avoid saying "I'm not hiding anything?" Because that still won't work.

[X] Plan: Open and honest
[X] Ask Maya what's wrong.
-[X] In fact, hug her again. Couldn't hurt.
--[X] We thought she was keeping it a secret because no-one else could do this, and told us because we can... so we figured she'd be happy to tell Dad since he can do it too.
---[X] If she insists, then we won't insist, or tell Dad ourself. It's her decision.
----[X] ...But now we're worried about having told her that Dad can do it too without him knowing. It's a secret to everyone!
-----[X] Mention that at some point she'll either have to stop training or tell Dad, because he can detect particularly powerful people from great distances.
------[X] If everything is said, done, and resolved, tease her. "So...you think I'm pretty?"

This plan clearly states that we think that the best option is to tell Dad, but that it's her decision, and if we don't convince her then we'll keep it a secret. There is nothing wrong with trying to convince someone of something, unless you lie to do it. Convincing people of things is the fundamental basis of all communication.

EDIT: Funnily enough, debating like this has made me consider the issue from all sides in greater depth, and has led to me thinking we should be trying to convince her to tell Dad before letting the issue go, rather than be vague. This is an excellent example of why debate is good!

 

[Andres]

Convincing her we aren't lying isn't an issue here. We can absolutely say "I think you should tell my Dad for these reasons, but won't tell him if you decide not to." That's giving someone relevant information to help them make a decision, the exact opposite of concealing information form her.

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Let's just leave it for later when it actually becomes relevant. Again, we don't want to pressure her and she'll see it as us pressuring her. If we do it later, and we do so without the context of us trying to convince her, she won't see it as pressure.

If we refuse to let him Mind Delve us, the natural assumption is that we're hiding something. Even if we do hate the idea of the Mind Delve on a deep and personal level, it's still incredibly suspicious.

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He's not going to chance him ruining things again like he did with Vegeta, not with his own daughter. Besides, he trusts her, and will think first that it's because she genuinely hates it than because she's hiding something.

There is nothing wrong with trying to convince someone of something, unless you lie to do it. Convincing people of things is the fundamental basis of all communication.

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It is pressuring her to do something she doesn't want to do, even if we're not lying. Making her tell Dad isn't something that's necessary or without serious negative effects, so we shouldn't do it at all, much less pressure her into it after she's shown just how much she dislikes the idea of telling him. No matter what, she will react badly.

 

[anailater]

[X] Plan Water Under the Bridge

crush crush crush crush crush

 

[Deathbybunnies]

He's not going to chance him ruining things again like he did with Vegeta, not with his own daughter. Besides, he trusts her, and will think first that it's because she genuinely hates it than because she's hiding something.

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This would be an event to directly cast that trust into doubt. And in the unlikely event you're right and he capitulates, we'll still be under massive scrutiny regarding our whereabouts and actions, that we currently can't afford.

Let's just leave it for later when it actually becomes relevant. Again, we don't want to pressure her and she'll see it as us pressuring her. If we do it later, and we do so without the context of us trying to convince her, she won't see it as pressure.

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It is pressuring her to do something she doesn't want to do, even if we're not lying. Making her tell Dad isn't something that's necessary or without serious negative effects, so we shouldn't do it at all, much less pressure her into it after she's shown just how much she dislikes the idea of telling him. No matter what, she will react badly.

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I think the main disconnect just got summarised here, to be honest. I'm trying to convince her that, for various reasons, it's in her best interest. I'm trying to change her mind so that she chooses to tell Dad for herself. You think I'm trying to "pressure" her into doing something she doesn't want to do - I'm not, and I don't think that's what my plan does.

I think I'm going to stop arguing here though - this has been what, 4 pages of arguing of a minor wording difference?

 

[Andres]

I think the main disconnect just got summarised here, to be honest.

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No, it's just one of the disconnects. There's more than one thing wrong with your plan in my eyes, as the last few pages should show.

You think I'm trying to "pressure" her into doing something she doesn't want to do - I'm not, and I don't think that's what my plan does.

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It's not just about what you want to do, it's how she'll interpret it. Whether or not you want to pressure her, you'll be doing so (whether you want to/feel that you are or not) or she'll think you're doing so. Either way, she will react badly.

I think I'm going to stop arguing here though - this has been what, 4 pages of arguing of a minor wording difference?

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It's 12:10 AM where I am and I should've gone to sleep at 10:30 PM, so I'll stop as well. I've responded to the latest point you've brought up but left the other one alone for the sake of winding down the discussion. Good night.

 

[Aranfan]

[X] Plan: Open and honest
[X] Ask Maya what's wrong.
-[X] In fact, hug her again. Couldn't hurt.
--[X] We thought she was keeping it a secret because no-one else could do this, and told us because we can... so we figured she'd be happy to tell Dad since he can do it too.
---[X] If she insists, then we won't insist, or tell Dad ourself. It's her decision.
----[X] ...But now we're worried about having told her that Dad can do it too without him knowing. It's a secret to everyone!
-----[X] Mention that at some point she'll either have to stop training or tell Dad, because he can detect particularly powerful people from great distances.
------[X] If everything is said, done, and resolved, tease her. "So...you think I'm pretty?"

 

[XkaliburRage]

Ugh, why does thinking someone is pretty immediately have to mean that they have a crush? That just seems like a part of her admiration for Karen and nothing more, gods.

 

[Bakkasama]

Ugh, why does thinking someone is pretty immediately have to mean that they have a crush? That just seems like a part of her admiration for Karen and nothing more, gods.

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Because we are ten and we have a right to be immature and tease our Friends if we want to!

Oh wait, you are serious. I thought we were joking about the crush. At least that is what I got from the argument.

 

[XkaliburRage]

Because we are ten and we have a right to be immature and tease our Friends if we want to!

Oh wait, you are serious. I thought we were joking about the crush. At least that is what I got from the argument.

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As yuri being honestly the most irritating that usually happens in things with a female protagonist on SV and SB, I'm sorry if I'll have to ask you to forgive my paranoia.

 

[Aranfan]

As yuri being honestly the most irritating that usually happens in things with a female protagonist on SV and SB, I'm sorry if I'll have to ask you to forgive my paranoia.

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SB and SV do seem to love the idea of being in lesbians overmuch. Fortunately, it seems like Kakara is going to be at least bi and possibly even straight, going by the visions we've seen thus far.

 

[Bommelom]

@PoptartProdigy, do any of the Misfits have any siblings?

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Oh, and how long is the vote going to last this time?

 

[KnightDisciple]

[X] Ask Maya what's wrong.
-[X] In fact, hug her again. Couldn't hurt.
--[X] We thought she was keeping it a secret because no-one else could do this, and told us because we can... so we figured she'd be happy to tell Dad since he can do it too.
---[X] If she insists, then we won't insist, or tell Dad ourself. It's her decision.
----[X] ...But now we're worried about having told her that Dad can do it too without him knowing. It's a secret to everyone!
-----[X] Mention that at some point she'll either have to stop training or tell Dad, because he can detect particularly powerful people from great distances.

I don't really like the "you think i'm pretty" line, but this set of reactions hits the notes I want to best. Don't really feel like jumping into the "debate" at this point; our "debates" in this thread can get exhausting.

 

[Lailoken]

Has anyone considered how Maya is going to react when her planet gets invaded by ki users in a few months? Kakara is still a newish friend and it's damned suspicious that she, by Maya's perceptions, showed up only a little bit before.

That is not the issue. It's not about "friendship vs duty", it's about "letting Maya choose what is best for Maya vs deciding what is best for Maya and steering her towards our decision", the former being in line with being her friend and the latter being in line with pursuing our goals as much as we can despite friendship.


No it isn't. It's "You can tell Dad, but if you don't, don't tell people about Dad." It's not shutting down the Dad route, it's just saying she shouldn't tell her parents or the Misfits or others about Dad. (Including Dad, because we don't want to get in trouble.)


It's guilting at best, lying at worst. At best, it's saying "I'm scared of what happens if you don't tell Dad, so tell Dad or I'll be scared." At worst it's lying because there really isn't anything to be worried about if Maya doesn't tell Dad. The only way a problem can crop up is if he's told, not if he's not told. As it is, the worst that happens to Maya or anyone else if she doesn't tell Dad is that Maya misses out on cool Saiyan stuff. Nothing more.

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This is not how you do worst case scenarios. Worst case, it turns out that she is part of a hidden cadre of Saiyans not known by Saiyan society at large, and they've targeted the scion for manipulation or subversion. Worst case, she's a Saiyan and is going to get an eyefull of powerball or moon during the stressful invasion, regrow her tail, transform, cause people to wonder if Kakara and anybody else knew, and trigger mind delves everywhere. Worst case, she tries to resist the invasion, which leads to the same conclusion. Worst case, the ten-year-old gets rash while surrounded by intense monitoring because of Jaron and starts saying things she doesn't even know she shouldn't. Worst case, she freaks out during the invasion and one of the Saiyans hunting for invaders kills her because they don't know any better and Garenhuld humans shouldn't have noticeable power levels. She's kept her secret for a while, but she's a growing, changing child who clearly wants to share it, and her entire world is about to be rocked. This kid doesn't even know about ki sensing and may give herself away while thinking she's safely isolated.

Zeus and Hades, the girl is about to hit puberty. Saying, "She's had a handle on it so far," really isn't compelling.

I again maintain that nothing bad will happen to her, because again if telling her about the Saiyan race and the Masquerade would cause problems, Dad will simply choose not to tell her about them, and will instead help us with a story. The concerns about what will happen if she finds out about the Saiyan race are therefore immaterial.

She very clearly does not have perfect emotional control, so that's not necessarily possible. And do you honestly believe that having told us about her "superpowers" and discovering we have them too, she'd be okay with us not doing things with them together? Really?

You can't know that.

It's not about the initial amount of trouble, it's-

-about the inevitable follow-up Mind Delve. No, not only will he absolutely Mind Delve us to make sure we're telling the truth and not hiding anything - because we were already hiding this - but getting violent and refusing to let him Mind Delve us when he tries? When he's using it to see if we're trying to hide anything else? Good grief, there is absolutely no way that would work. That's insane.

EDIT: Also, you claim it's impossible for her to be detected, but you ignored these two points:

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Y'know who he will mind-delve? Maya. Once he has that clear evidence that Kakara knew about it and hid it things get bad. There will be serious consequences regardless of whether or not he mind-delves Kakara afterwards, but that is a real possibility.

 

[Aranfan]

Has anyone considered how Maya is going to react when her planet gets invaded by ki users in a few months? Kakara is still a newish friend and it's damned suspicious that she, by Maya's perceptions, showed up only a little bit before.

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Two years is a little bit before?

 

[Lailoken]

Two years is a little bit before?

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On the scale of an interstellar invasion? Yeah. The scouting force is intended to arrive two or three years before the main force.

 

[KaintukeeBob]

[X] Plan: Open and honest

Meh, looks good to me.

Also, I absolutely called it. Using hindsight, Plan Plan Fusion would have been a better call. She probably wouldn't have been upset at the thought of ghost-Grandpa the way she is about 'Super Mechanic Man'!