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Dragon Ball: After the End

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Aranfan said:
Considering that the saiyans don't have authority over the humans, I can't see how it wouldn't be legal.
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Well, I mean, when a human marries a Saiyan they join said Saiyan's House, so presumably they're also under Saiyan authority.

Now I have two more questions, though..

What happens house-wise when two Saiyans (or a Saiyan and a human) divorce? Does the one who took their partners house return to their fprmer house, or?

Has a one-night stand between a male Saiyan and a female human ever resulted in a Saiyan baby, and if so, how was it handled?

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Andres110 said:
...What the fuck? That sounds horrible. Does Saiyan society really do forced marriages?
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PoptartProdigy said:
Nope. But they are frightfully good at...arranging...things. By, say, surrounding a young lady with a bunch of young men who are incredibly attracted to her. The logic goes, eventually one of them will stick, and if you flood the market with them, the actual humans won't ever have a shot.
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Found this while I was searching for some stuff, and..

Don't they force marriages if a child is born out of wedlock between a human and a Saiyan?
 
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Bommelom said:
@PoptartProdigy, theoretically, would it be legal for a human to obtain a power level of over 15 million (or, even more theoretically, a power level above 1,125 billion)?

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Assuming said human is married to a Saiyan or otherwise knows about the Saiyans, of course.
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Theoretically, yes to the first but no to the second, not that it's come up. The first is fine and honestly the second might be since a human reads differently from a saiyan on ki sense, but they don't want power levels in that range at all so that this area of space keeps on looking dead to the wider galaxy. In any case -- over 15 million is fine, but the Lords would start watching you. Over 1.125 billion -- or, more accurately, well before that point -- is when the crackdown happens.
 
Bommelom said:
Well, I mean, when a human marries a Saiyan they join said Saiyan's House, so presumably they're also under Saiyan authority.

Now I have two more questions, though..

What happens house-wise when two Saiyans (or a Saiyan and a human) divorce? Does the one who took their partners house return to their fprmer house, or?

Has a one-night stand between a male Saiyan and a female human ever resulted in a Saiyan baby, and if so, how was it handled?

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Found this while I was searching for some stuff, and..

Don't they force marriages if a child is born out of wedlock between a human and a Saiyan?
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Exactly that, yeah.

One-night stands like that happen rarely, and saiyans have a strong cultural inclination towards responsible contraceptive use. So it hasn't come up...yet. Biggest nightmare for the Lords -- it will eventually, just by the laws of statistics. But in theory they'd try and get the mother married in as fast as possible. That said, in that case the Masquerade rests on a knife's edge. They're not above making it clear to the mother that she can stay silent or be silenced if she's not willing to marry in peacefully. They would very much rather the peaceful route, though, because they're not monsters and don't enjoy the thought of imprisoning somebody for life, even in a gilded cage. At the very least, it sets a bad precedent.

"Force," no. This is basically the same question as above; they give the human parent a shot to marry in, with the proviso that as the human doesn't have a House, they take their new spouse's by default. If the human wants to continue going by their old last name, that's fine; it's just that their children will take the saiyan's name. The human that keeps their name will just be ever-so-slightly outcast in the way that men who take their wives' names or hyphenate are in western society, and being human leads to a bigger outcast factor than that already. Second step is flooding the relationship-space around the human. Last step -- the emergency step -- is directly approaching and bringing them in on the secret. They get asked to hold their peace, and if they don't, then they are threatened. As the absolute last resort, absolute intractability would lead to the human being imprisoned for life. After all, it's not like they could feasibly escape holding cells meant to imprison saiyans. The grandiose threats of violence are just that; threats. Of course, if the human involved is the father of the child, and the mother has no desire to marry him, she just vanishes one day, he never sees her again, and he never knows about his child(ren). All of this being hypothetical, naturally; it's not yet come up.
 
What happens to human siblings of Saiyan children? How much do they know?

As in, human A has human children with human B but they're not currently in a relationship (either because they broke up, because human B died or because it was a one-might stand or something), then human A has Saiyan children with Saiyan C and they marry. Assuming human A has custody of the human children, will the human children get told about the Saiyans?
 
Bommelom said:
What happens to human siblings of Saiyan children?

As in, human A has human children with human B but they're not currently in a relationship (either because they broke up, because human B died or because it was a one-might stand or something), then human A has Saiyan children with Saiyan C. Assuming human A has custody of the human children, will the human children get told about the Saiyans?
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Yeah, that happened once, to a Vegetan.

It...hasn't happened since. In practice that kind of situation is the point at which Lords start coming down on the Heads for leaving messes that lords need to clean up. That's why Heads are so involved in relationships. Beyond the whole "feudal-esque" thing they have going here, anyway. Any relationship is closely examined for potential complications just like that, and if applicable, vetoed.

In that particular case, the kids were informed, and happily (for the Exiles) were young enough to be wholly assimilated into saiyan culture by the process of childhood education. They lived their lives as slightly unorthodox saiyans, identifying more with their adopted people than with the Garenhulders they technically were.
 
PoptartProdigy said:
Theoretically, yes to the first but no to the second, not that it's come up. The first is fine and honestly the second might be since a human reads differently from a saiyan on ki sense, but they don't want power levels in that range at all so that this area of space keeps on looking dead to the wider galaxy. In any case -- over 15 million is fine, but the Lords would start watching you. Over 1.125 billion -- or, more accurately, well before that point -- is when the crackdown happens.
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Mutant baby is born, gets upset and blares a 200 billion PL all across the galaxy when? :3
 
Gore17 said:
If Kakara and Jaffur ever have a child. *deadpan*
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Universe 16. Vegito never got separated back into Goku and Vegeta. Bra was concieved, she was born in SS form and seemed to be tapping into something of the Legendary in SS2 cause she had some green mixed in and goes berserk.

There also seems to be something going on with children of SS capable Sayajins being to access it more easily, although that one is a little shaky if just from the lack of evidence either way.

Both parents being SS?

Edit: and suddenly I feel like I'm in a CK2 game.
 
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Have a wholly Brolly Christmas,
It's the last time you'll feel fear;
You just know that hair will glow,
And worlds will dissappear.
 
I'm a little surprised that the masques don't have integrated sterility. They're capable of making much more extreme changes, and a Saiyan really should not be breeding with anybody they can't show their real form to.
 
Lailoken said:
I'm a little surprised that the masques don't have integrated sterility. They're capable of making much more extreme changes, and a Saiyan really should not be breeding with anybody they can't show their real form to.
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That's probably cause less people would want to use somthung that would mess with their ability to reproduce, since if something can cause temporary sterility it can probably cause it permanently.
 
ChildishChimera said:
That's probably cause less people would want to use somthung that would mess with their ability to reproduce, since if something can cause temporary sterility it can probably cause it permanently.
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I was about to point out that probably wouldn't be the case for Masque suppression, but you only need for the possibility to occur to one person, so it works as an explanation.
 
Lailoken said:
I'm a little surprised that the masques don't have integrated sterility. They're capable of making much more extreme changes, and a Saiyan really should not be breeding with anybody they can't show their real form to.
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Magic is weird and slightly unpredictable. When working with something that works perfectly 9999 times out of 10000 it's best to avoid any side effects and minimize the parts that could go clunk.

Especially when you were originally trying to repopulate as soon as possible
 
Deathbybunnies said:
I was about to point out that probably wouldn't be the case for Masque suppression, but you only need for the possibility to occur to one person, so it works as an explanation.
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Yeah, you see 'that's dangerous' things that aren't actually that much more dangerous than average, but some incident got public awareness, and made people leery of it. Can't think of a specific example off the top of my head.
 
Deathbybunnies said:
I was about to point out that probably wouldn't be the case for Masque suppression, but you only need for the possibility to occur to one person, so it works as an explanation.
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Sucal said:
Magic is weird and slightly unpredictable. When working with something that works perfectly 9999 times out of 10000 it's best to avoid any side effects and minimize the parts that could go clunk.

Especially when you were originally trying to repopulate as soon as possible
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Terrabrand said:
Yeah, you see 'that's dangerous' things that aren't actually that much more dangerous than average, but some incident got public awareness, and made people leery of it. Can't think of a specific example off the top of my head.
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Sterility, impotence, and/or barrenness are the sorts of risks folks would get mighty skittish about. Worst-case scenario is you have that one-in-a-million incident, and then 50% or more of your population stops usings Masques entirely until the Masques don't mess with their balls/ovaries anymore.
 
Or it could just be that the Masque is a spell that precedes the Lord system and that was designed so that they could blend in with the humans when it became necessary to have children with them in order to avoid inbreeding? It is not like they had the amount of clout they have know and they needed to increase their numbers.
 
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Or it could just be that the Masque is a spell that precedes the Lord system and that was designed so that they could blend in with the humans when it became necessary to have children with them in order to avoid inbreeding? It is not like they had the amount of clout they have know and they needed to increase their numbers.
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History post says folks had major heebie-jeebies about the Masques as-is; now imagine adding in "oh you're sterile while you have it on, but we PINKY SWEAR you won't shoot blanks for life when you take it off"?
 
If they believe enough in the Masques that they won't be permanently stuck in them, they'll believe enough in them to accept being sterile in them.
 
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