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Dragon Ball: After the End

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Lailoken said:
In my apparent role as Devil's advocate, I feel the need to point out that the whole Jaffur situation, and the resulting constitutional crisis threatening civil war among all of Saiyan society, only exists because of Berra. We can't really presume in favor of the quality of his judgement when we are actively collaborating with rebellion in order to thwart it.
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We can disagree on one point while trusting him in others
 
Lailoken said:
But, can we trust him? We've seen him enact exactly one policy, and it was the most traumatic experience of his daughter's life.
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There were some extenuating circumstances. This is taken from his charácter sheet:

PoptartProdigy said:
The Sundering: Your father and Lord Vegeta were once best friends, until your father gave voice to his opinions on the Death of Talt. In the fight that followed, the skies turned red and Garenhuld shook as two men as close as brothers nearly tore each other apart. They have been bitter enemies ever since, and the consequences of that day have literally defined the shape of modern saiyan politics, most definitively for the worse. It is your father's single largest regret, the failure that he has since defined himself by.
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PoptartProdigy said:
As the Rocks [Former Foundational Trait]: Your father is widely known for never acting without careful consideration of all points of view. If he were the PC he would experience constant and heavy vote weighting on all options in favor of patience, and he does receive large bonuses to any actions taken in moderation.

Ally to Good, Nightmare to You [Foundational Trait]: Your Dad speaks often and passionately about the importance of right behavior. Of everybody you know, you would call only him a true hero. He receives massive bonuses on all actions taken in what he believes to be the service of right.

Atoner [Foundational Trait]: Your father feels intense guilt for the mistakes he's made over the course of his life, having spent years being forced to watch as everything he strove for spun out of control as a direct result of his choices. He will nearly always decide to immediately commit to whatever course of action he views as permissible that will allow him to mitigate or reverse any consequences of his failures, and benefits from the full bonus of "Ally to Good, Nightmare to You" on any checks made in service to that course of action.
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So unless he has some traumatic backstory involving letting a Peat live, he will consider the situation carefully.
 
Bakkasama said:
There were some extenuating circumstances. This is taken from his charácter sheet:





So unless he has some traumatic backstory involving letting a Peat live, he will consider the situation carefully.
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As his daughter explained the situation, Berra, the Lord Goku flashbacked to the day he lost the talent show to a Peat.

"KILL THEM ALL AND LET GOD SORT THEM OUT!"

Kakara paused, and then backed away slowly.
 
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Vote Tally : Sci-Fi - Dragon Ball: After the End | Page 217 | Sufficient Velocity
##### NetTally 1.7.5

[X] Plan Secret Martial Artists, version current.
-[X] Tell Dad. This is his job; he can decide how to deal with it.
--[X] Suggest we have a goodly number of Saiyans train up their Masque affinity, and 'reveal' the existence of a secret order of martial artists- without revealing the whole Saiyan thing. 'Attempt to hide' the order, inasmuch as keeping it still hidden to the general public, if possible, over the course of the fights. Bonus points: We may be able to excuse teaching our human friends in earnest this way.
-[X] Tell Sensei. He'll know what to do.
--[X] Then Tell your conspirators (Grandma, the Senzus, and anybody else you bring in on things). They need to know this in case it'll impact the plan.
--[X] With Dad's permission tell the general Saiyan public.
-[X] Tell Dad about the Peat's perfidious plots
--[X] But request he deal with it as quietly as possible, given how we particularly publicly permitted possible-pope Peat a partial pardon.
No. of Votes: 6
Plan: ◈Secret Martial Artists, version current.
Aranfan
Lupercal
Nathaniel Wolff
Terrabrand
Walkin' Man
Yorick's Skull

[X] Plan KISS
-[x] Tell Dad. This is his job; he can decide how to deal with it.
-[x] Tell Sensei. He'll know what to do.
--[x] Then Tell your conspirators (Grandma, the Senzus, and anybody else you bring in on things). They need to know this in case it'll impact the plan.
[X] No
No. of Votes: 6
Bakkasama
anailater
Bommelom
ChildishChimera
Gore17
pianoman

[X] Plan KISS
-[x] Tell Dad. This is his job; he can decide how to deal with it.
-[x] Tell Sensei. He'll know what to do.
--[x] Then Tell your conspirators (Grandma, the Senzus, and anybody else you bring in on things). They need to know this in case it'll impact the plan.
[X] Yes
No. of Votes: 3
Andres110
KaintukeeBob
KnightDisciple

[x] Plan Counter Strike.
-[X] Tell Dad. This is his job; he can decide how to deal with it.
--[X] Suggest we have a number of Saiyans go out into space with some Seers, and fight the scout out there. Keeping the fighting away from Garenhuld means we don't have to worry about damage, and means that if we're detected (by say, The Enemy), it isn't traced straight back to home.
---[X] Also suggest that rather than simply killing the enemy, bring him back and have a Sorcerer bind him, so he can be questioned. We know others will be coming, it would be good to get some information on them.
--[X] Then Tell your conspirators (Grandma, the Senzus, and anybody else you bring in on things). They need to know this in case it'll impact the plan.
-[X] Tell Dad about the Peat's perfidious plots
--[X] But request he deal with it as quietly as possible.
No. of Votes: 1
Plan: ◈Counter Strike.
Ridiculously Average Guy

[x] Plan Deathbybunnies.
-[X] Tell Dad. This is his job; he can decide how to deal with it.
--[X] Suggest we have a number of Saiyans go out into space with some Seers, and fight the scouts out there. Keeping the fighting away from Garenhuld means we don't have to worry about damage, and means that if we're detected (by say, The Enemy), it isn't traced straight back to home.
---[X] Also suggest that if at all possible, keep a scout alive (possibly using a Sorcerer to bind him), so he can be questioned. We know others will be coming, it would be good to get some information on them.
--[X] Then Tell your conspirators (Grandma, the Senzus, and anybody else you bring in on things). They need to know this in case it'll impact the plan.
-[X] Tell Dad about the Peat's perfidious plots
--[X] But request he deal with it as quietly as possible, given how we particularly publicly permitted possible-pope Peat a partial pardon.
---[X] Emphasise how we particularly don't want the Head Priest executed, for four main reasons:
No. of Votes: 1
Plan: ◈Deathbybunnies.
Deathbybunnies

[X] Plan KISS
-[x] Tell Dad. This is his job; he can decide how to deal with it.
-[x] Tell Sensei. He'll know what to do.
--[x] Then Tell your conspirators (Grandma, the Senzus, and anybody else you bring in on things). They need to know this in case it'll impact the plan.
No. of Votes: 1
Plan: ◈KISS
rkyeun

[X] Plan Secret Martial Artists v2
No. of Votes: 1
Plan: ◈Secret Martial Artists v2
hcvquizibo

[X] Plan Terminator.
-[X] Tell Dad. This is his job; he can decide how to deal with it.
--[X] Suggest we have a number of Saiyans go out un-Masqued, and reveal themselves to be genetically-modified soldiers from the future, sent back to stop the coming alien invasion before it's too late.
-[X] Tell Sensei. He'll know what to do.
--[X] Then Tell your conspirators (Grandma, the Senzus, and anybody else you bring in on things). They need to know this in case it'll impact the plan.
-[X] Tell Dad about the Peat's perfidious plots
--[X] But request he deal with it as quietly as possible.
No. of Votes: 0
Plan: ◈Terminator.

Total No. of Voters: 19

Parsing that, "Plan KISS" leads the polls, and you aren't telling Dad shit. Update tomorrow; this one is going to be the Year 3 post. It's going to be long, and I'm going to make certain that it's perfect.
 
@PoptartProdigy, Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks opened a dimensional hole to the real world by screaming. Can we use our ki talents to create a more refined, less energy-intensive way of opening a dimensional gate to the Hyperbolic Time Chamber? Gotenks didn't direct the scream at all so it can be assumed that simply opening up a hole in one of the two dimensions leads to the other.
 
Andres110 said:
@PoptartProdigy, Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks opened a dimensional hole to the real world by screaming. Can we use our ki talents to create a more refined, less energy-intensive way of opening a dimensional gate to the Hyperbolic Time Chamber? Gotenks didn't direct the scream at all so it can be assumed that simply opening up a hole in one of the two dimensions leads to the other.
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I read the HTC/RoTaS as being a dimension placed particularly near to this one; one direct connection in or out. Thus, for Gotenks there was only one target of any relevance. You can create such a technique, but given that the real world has a comparative embarrassment of targets, you'll need a targeting system. Sorcery, perhaps, but the way to do it with just ki technically does exist.

(I've been waiting for this question :D)
 
Andres110 said:
@PoptartProdigy, Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks opened a dimensional hole to the real world by screaming. Can we use our ki talents to create a more refined, less energy-intensive way of opening a dimensional gate to the Hyperbolic Time Chamber? Gotenks didn't direct the scream at all so it can be assumed that simply opening up a hole in one of the two dimensions leads to the other.
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We'd need to know both where and when it is first, not to mention lack the ability to reach out half way across the galaxy
 
@PoptartProdigy, when Aizen fought Ichigo and was unable to sense his spiritual pressure, he thought Ichigo discarded it in order to gain a massive increase to physical stats. That turned out not to be the reason why he couldn't sense him, but could we possibly do something like what Aizen thought Ichigo did?
 
PoptartProdigy said:
I read the HTC/RoTaS as being a dimension placed particularly near to this one; one direct connection in or out. Thus, for Gotenks there was only one target of any relevance. You can create such a technique, but given that the real world has a comparative embarrassment of targets, you'll need a targeting system. Sorcery, perhaps, but the way to do it with just ki technically does exist.

(I've been waiting for this question :D)
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Of course, if we don't know of the Gotenks techniques then we probably don't know about that instance either.
 
Andres110 said:
@PoptartProdigy, when Aizen fought Ichigo and was unable to sense his spiritual pressure, he thought Ichigo discarded it in order to gain a massive increase to physical stats. That turned out not to be the reason why he couldn't sense him, but could we possibly do something like what Aizen thought Ichigo did?
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...I don't know Bleach. Could you translate that for me, so that I can be sure I'm reading it correctly?
 
PoptartProdigy said:
...I don't know Bleach. Could you translate that for me, so that I can be sure I'm reading it correctly?
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Spirit Pressure is kinda like power level, or at least the visible 'i'm powering up so rocks are floating and shit'. Aizen is one of the big bad guys. Ichigo is the protagonist. Not entirely sure I parse his meaning in spite of knowing Bleach, though.
 
PoptartProdigy said:
I read the HTC/RoTaS as being a dimension placed particularly near to this one; one direct connection in or out. Thus, for Gotenks there was only one target of any relevance. You can create such a technique, but given that the real world has a comparative embarrassment of targets, you'll need a targeting system. Sorcery, perhaps, but the way to do it with just ki technically does exist.

(I've been waiting for this question :D)
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What are the details of the current portal project?
 
Aranfan said:
Of course, if we don't know of the Gotenks techniques then we probably don't know about that instance either.
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Technique? All Gotenks did was scream really really loudly.

PoptartProdigy said:
...I don't know Bleach. Could you translate that for me, so that I can be sure I'm reading it correctly?
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The bad guy in Bleach couldn't sense the good guy's ki. The bad guy thought the good guy sacrificed his ability to use ki (i.e. for energy attacks (the good guy's specialty), walking on air, flash step, etc.) in exchange for HUGE TONS of raw physical strength, speed, durability, etc.

The real reason the bad guy couldn't sense the good guy's ki wasn't because of that, but is something like that something we could do ourselves?
 
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Andres110 said:
Technique? All Gotenks did was scream really really loudly.


The bad guy in Bleach couldn't sense the good guy's ki. The bad guy thought the good guy sacrificed his ability to use ki (i.e. for energy attacks (the good guy's specialty), walking on air, flash step, etc.) in exchange for HUGE TONS of raw physical strength, speed, durability, etc.

The real reason the bad guy couldn't sense the good guy's ki wasn't because of that, but is something like that something we could do ourselves?
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The real reason was he had god ki, if I follow the dragonball stuff I am less familiar with correctly.
 
Andres110 said:
Technique? All Gotenks did was scream really really loudly.


The bad guy in Bleach couldn't sense the good guy's ki. The bad guy thought the good guy sacrificed his ability to use ki (i.e. for energy attacks (the good guy's specialty), walking on air, flash step, etc.) in exchange for HUGE TONS of raw physical strength, speed, durability, etc.

The real reason the bad guy couldn't sense the good guy's ki wasn't because of that, but is something like that something we could do ourselves?
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Ah ha. Gotcha.

*addressing IC Kakara* You're...not sure about that. I mean, mechanically the more esoteric effects of ki aren't really something that you're constantly wasting energy on. You use them, and that burns ki, but if you don't use them the only real effect you've noticed is that your pool of ki is less depleted than if you had. And outright switching them off...how would that even work? This particular idea doesn't seem like something you could use. Maybe there's something else in a similar vein, though...
 
I don't know if the whole screaming a way across dimensions is something that could happen in normal circumstances. The HTC already had a door connecting to our reality and it was fairly near where they were. It could be that the frontier was already weakened between the two realities on that place and that is the only reason they could do so or target the correct dimensión.
 
@PoptartProdigy, theoretically, would it be legal for a human to obtain a power level of over 15 million (or, even more theoretically, a power level above 1,125 billion)?

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Assuming said human is married to a Saiyan or otherwise knows about the Saiyans, of course.
 
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