Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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- Dancing on wires!
TBF that is quite important. That being said I'm pretty sure Goku and Vegeta only got blue because of some innate learning from the God Ki or something like that.
Dragon Ball: After the End
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- Rockford, USA
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- They/Them
Seems the others rolled out the welcome wagon for you, but I'll throw in my own "welcome aboard!"
As for what's canon: the entire run of the Dragon Ball manga is canon. Any anime materials are canon but lose to contradictory manga materials. Any movies I care to incorporate for ideas fodder are canon but lose to contradictory anime materials. The entire run of Dragon Ball Super to date is canon, and I'll be trying to incorporate new releases as possible. Having read the original manga as you have will be more than enough.
You don't strictly need to watch or read Super. Given the spoiler policy on the OP, I'm aware that not everybody has and will be explaining new Super concepts in story as or if they arise.
Select concepts from GT that I deem redeemable are canon. Which concepts those are (Super Saiyan 4, in particular), I remain firmly noncommittal on.
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- Actually pretty lost
Thanks for the welcome! I've now read Super (all 18 chapters of it) but since GT doesn't appear to have a manga run, I think I'll skip it - especially if the details might not line up.
EDIT: Actually, I had another question I was gonna ask. How exactly would the rest of the Saiyan community, of the Faith and not, react to us having been/possibly remaining in contact with dead!Gohan?
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- Rockford, USA
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- They/Them
That's an excellent question. The Cult would probably shuffle you another step up towards actual divinity, but it would be highly unpredictable elsewhere.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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- Dancing on wires!
Aren't we supposed to be the closet to it alive at the mo?
Due to Golden Ozaru and stuff.
In fact how do they rank things like that, divinity is not really something you can measure persay.
Bakkasama
There is always a greater fool
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- Buenos Aires, Argentina
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- He/his
It would be the difference between being the most famous saint and a god's favourite grandson. One has been touched by the gods and the other lives among them.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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- Dancing on wires!
Well gets hugs, but that makes sense.
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- Actually pretty lost
Are the character sheets etc. at the start being kept up to date/brought up to date? I ask only because it seems strange that neither the Golden Oozaru nor our big speech at the religious showdown qualified as "victories" (the first I'm unsure about, but the second certainly seems like A Big Deal on a personal level.)
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- Rockford, USA
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- They/Them
As it happens! My in-laws remain in town and I have been thusly unable to update them as I needed. However, I have a moment at my computer in a few minutes, and will be able to make said updates. Might even knock out that final history entry so that I can move on to other sections.
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- Actually pretty lost
Oh cool! I only asked because the last edit was at the start of the month and it said something about being updated, but being kept busy by in-laws is absolutely a good reason to be busy.
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- Rockford, USA
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- They/Them
Character sheet updated. Important notices regarding such: the Reputation, "In All But Name," was meant to be an updated and repercussions-inclusive update to the old Reputation, "The Just," which is why "The Just" no longer exists on the sheet. Also:
Victory Gained: The Second Garenhuld Ancestral Council.
Victory Gained: The Second Garenhuld Ancestral Council.
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- Actually pretty lost
Under acquaintances, that should be the Second Council.
Are we at the cap for the Golden Oozaru? I wasn't sure if it was just the Mastered regular Oozaru and the Mastered FPSS slapped together, or if there was more to it than that (given that it's referred to as "grade one" I thought there might be more to it than just slapping our highest SS transformation on it) - we weren't able to use it at full power because of the wards, and I thought that meant we couldn't Master this yet. (I was also secretly hoping to use this as an excuse to request more research into stronger wards, claiming we needed them to properly train ourselves with this, but I suppose just regular training at full power would also work as a given reason.)
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- Rockford, USA
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- They/Them
As mentioned in the OP, Oozaru will lead the base form by a factor of ten when there's room for it, but is hard-capped at twice the base form cap of any given saiyan. Given that Golden Oozaru is simply Oozaru+SSJ, there's nothing preventing you from simply training the Oozaru base, which is the only aspect of the Golden Oozaru form you can presently improve (your SSJ boost being at its cap). Given that your current Oozaru cap is 750 million, that's well within the tolerance of the wards.
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- Actually pretty lost
Ah, that's the bit I wasn't sure about - I thought there might be a requirement to train to run them both at the same time completely. Thanks!
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- Rockford, USA
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- They/Them
Final History entry complete: "The Sundering." From here on out, I will be creating and adding to the "Useful Information" section. I have a few things in mind right now, but if anybody has anything in particular in mind that I should have on there, sing out! I might not have thought about it yet. Current ideas: basics on Exile culture, important Houses, what Karen could reasonably know about the state of Garenhuld, what the Exile's public at large knows of the wider galaxy.
Bakkasama
There is always a greater fool
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- Buenos Aires, Argentina
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- He/his
Weren't they Lords until about three years before the sundering?
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- Australia
I think you need to re-read what I wrote. I wasn't saying that hybrids have the instinctual need for combat Saiyans have, I was saying the opposite - that they don't. I was saying that only pure-blooded Saiyans have the Saiyan need for combat. I did mention that Goten and Trunks seem to like fighting, but only the same as normal human boys their age do. IRL I was certainly into fighting and martial arts (mostly wrestling) at their age.
I'm not talking about obsession with training, I'm talking about the need to fight that Saiyans have been said to have.
It would not make us more sadistic. Sadism is taking pleasure in the pain of others, it's quite different from simply wanting to fight. Goku as a pure-blooded Saiyan has had the same instinctual need and desire to fight that all other pure-blooded Saiyans (bar Tarble) had and he wasn't a sadist. He was a good kid who liked fighting and grew into a good adult who continued to like fighting. Getting that same fighting instinct wouldn't make us sadistic or evil, it'll just make us enjoy fighting more while we're in it. Of course, we'll only use it for training so that we're not tempted to fight when it actually matters, but that goes without saying.
Except for Roshi and his pressure point technique?
@PoptartProdigy
The difference between a generic energy wave and the Kamehameha is that the latter is a technique and thus better. Are there any defined techniques that are better than generic ki shields? What about fast movement techniques?
How much do Garenhuld children know about the opposite sex? That is, if a boy for some reason saw us outside our Masque, could we trick him by saying that girls have tails?
Compelling Presence gives us a minor boost to Communication. Does a 'minor' boost grant us a greater bonus than a 'small' boost?
Does Celeran count as an Ally?
I just finished reading the Sundering and I recommend turning down the 40k. Seriously, I know Dragon Ball has its dark moments, but changing the tone of the setting so that it sounds like the grim darkness of the far future is quite a bit much. Even Frieza's atrocities were never described with such dark language.
EDIT: Some of it is even in contradictory language. "Forget the blah blah blah" does not match "There is still hope" because the former is telling you to forget all hope.
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Bakkasama
There is always a greater fool
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- Buenos Aires, Argentina
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- He/his
And I am saying that that might be a cultural thing rather than a genetic one. Goku was raised by a martial artist so he wanted to be stronger and test himself but didn't have the pride of other saiyans. The other pure hearted saiyans went all about saiyans being a superior race of stronger warrior except for Tarble who wasn't raised as one. Gohan, Goten and Trunks were raised by humans so while the other two like fighting like the pure saiyans (minus Tarble) they are not obsessd with being the strongest. Garenhuld Saiyans made fighting part of their culture to the point they discriminate sorcerers since they don't train but they don't aim to be the strongest except for a few for cultural reasons.
Basically, I am saying that it might be something to do with their culture rather than their species.
Considering that the advantage of the masque proposed was helping training in more lethal techniques... actually, I just thought of another reason this is a bad idea. Once she is out of the masque, Kakara would have to come to terms with the fact she acted against her pacifist beliefs while masqued.
Didn't Goku go through a personality change when he hit his head as a kid?
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- Actually pretty lost
Population of Saiyans and of Garenhuld as a whole
Approximate tech levels of both the Saiyans and Garenhuld as a whole(I've been assuming Garenhuld matches Earth as it is Right Now, but I don't actually have any basis for that beyond the school system)
Saiyan lifespan
Garenhuldian lifespan
Any ways Garenhuldian culture differs from ours (including the whole anti-curiosity thing and the Saiyan's suspicions regarding such)
A basic overview of sorcery (though that might not be possible until/unless we choose to study such)
Any indication whatsoever of any non-Saiyan Sorcerers on Garenhuld, and are they all huddling terrified of the warrior race that's secretly set up shop here
Basic information about the Ancestor Cult
The list of Styles and their descriptions
Some of my later questions/info requests probably don't qualify as "useful", so I'm going to mark them as separate. Here. Like this.
Anything about Kamis other than the Ancestors? They featured in most of the Dragon Ball Z arcs as secondary characters, so I'd be surprised if they were completely forgotten (though The Dark Age was a thing)
How common is it to train yourself out of tail paralysation? If particularly unusual, how are we viewed for having done so?
How does the general Exile population reconcile the fact we were once "the weakling" and are known to dislike fighting with our subsequent ascension to "strongest fighter on the planet"?
How much did us rolling that 100 in Character Generation and being a seer affect your plot/plans (without giving too much future plot away)?
Does anyone alive on Garenhuld know the true identity of the Enemy?
How did Endivan pull that off, I mean come on (actually, can we ask Dad?)
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- Australia
All things considered the evidence points more towards it being genetic.
The advantage is helping training in combat techniques, not specifically the more lethal techniques like the Destructo Disk. (Hell, Kakara's beliefs are strong enough that the Saiyan genetics probably wouldn't help at all.) It'll be easier to do stuff we plan on doing anyway like increasing Ki Projection, learning new techniques like the Tri Beam, learning styles, inventing styles, and even maintaining Kakara's combat skills - something she's doing automatically even without a specific action.
Her belief is that fighting is wrong and should only be used as a last resort. Learning how to fight, on the other hand, is ok. Getting better at learning how to fight isn't doing something bad.
Besides, this way she'll have a better understanding of what it's like to be most members of her society since she'll know what it's like to like fighting. As a future leader and as someone who hopes to reform Saiyan society, she needs to be able to understand her people even if she doesn't agree with them.
EDIT: It may be worth noting that Kakara's Gentle trait didn't really go away, it just got absorbed into Pacifist. It's probably her normal distaste of violence holding her back, not her moral beliefs.
He went from "evil and wants to fight" to "good and wants to fight". The hard-coded Saiyan instinct of "wants to fight" remained despite the brain damage.
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The Fourth Monado
S U B A R A S H I I
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- Away
I can answer these!
No-one knows who the Enemy really is.
well, skill had a major part in this
Sucal
The Devil’s Cut
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- Bottom of the barrel
Magic clearly.
Used the Heat and Power generated by their super saiyan transformation to cook them alive by removing the 'protection' they'd normally have from their own aura of power.
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
Aww, I kinda prefered "the Just", since this one seems like it could be more trouble than it's worth. I don't want Kakara to become Queen of All Saiyans.
No-one alive, you mean, right?