The high prices commanded by Saiyan mercenaries also enticed many champions to form their own mercenary groups. This would lay the groundwork for what came later.
I just have a tendency to go a little overboard during arguments. Sorry. In any case, I think it's important to know that as far as I'm aware, Frieza's power base in canon was merely a large portion of North Galaxy. At the time of the Namek Saga, his army was still presumably conducting military operations on other planets. I understand your logic (that if the PTO consisted of most of the Champions of the time but there were more in space overall, then Champions would be quite rare in general), but there's another problem with that: space is goddamn huge, even in a universe like Dragon Ball that only consists of four galaxies in the cardinal directions (however the hell that works in outer space).
What I'm trying to say is that Frieza didn't conquer the entire universe, and despite his power base, there were likely Champions in other corners of the galaxy (especially less technologically-advanced ones) that hadn't even heard of Frieza. Plus, given the law of averages, it's extremely unlikely that even a fraction of the Champions that had formed mercenary groups were anything more than temp workers for the PTO for a mission or two, since there were likely other competing empires at the time conducting their own military expansions that would be willing clients. Given Frieza's disturbing tendency to off his own loyal soldiers over the tiniest wrongdoing or even a simple folk tale like the legend of the Super Saiyan, I can't imagine that the PTO would qualify as a client that many mercenary Champion groups would like to work with. As a consequence, the PTO likely couldn't have attracted every Champion in the entire galaxy to its cause (which is especially true when there are obviously Champions in Dragon Ball like Goku, Piccolo, Nail, Krillin, etc that weren't loyal to him at all), and therefore there may be many more available champions than you think.
In any case, this entire argument over Champions being rare has been rendered irrelevant because i explicitly stated that Meteor has no intention of mass-producing Champions, merely upgrading existing ones, because it values quality over quantity and has no intention of becoming an interstellar empire like the PTO. I'll get to the editing after I get home. Class just ended.
I just have a tendency to go a little overboard during arguments. Sorry. In any case, I think it's important to know that as far as I'm aware, Frieza's power base in canon was merely a large portion of North Galaxy. At the time of the Namek Saga, his army was still presumably conducting military operations on other planets. I understand your logic (that if the PTO consisted of most of the Champions of the time but there were more in space overall, then Champions would be quite rare in general), but there's another problem with that: space is goddamn huge, even in a universe like Dragon Ball that only consists of four galaxies in the cardinal directions (however the hell that works in outer space).
Specifically, I don't think the wider galaxy had any kind of regular contact with other galaxies. A single galaxy is more than large enough for people to consider the strongest person in it, "the strongest in the universe".
Well, at least before Resurrection F, this wasn't actually that bad. He threatened to kill Zarbon if Zarbon didn't get Vegeta and the dragon balls back within an hour, but that was under very specific circumstances and I can't actually remember any other instances of killing off his grunts in the manga. I think was mostly the TV show.
Of course, then Resurrection F has him being a massive team killing fucktard, so bleh.
That last bit was apparently the worst part for him. And it makes sense: I imagine being forced listen and watch this upbeat music and dance routine all day, every day, for years.
Dandeer has earned Kakara's hatred. Her feeling such hatred towards Dandeer isn't a mistake or a flaw. Hatred doesn't even control Kakara, it's just an emotion she feels towards one specific person and for good reason.
Well, at least before Resurrection F, this wasn't actually that bad. He threatened to kill Zarbon if Zarbon didn't get Vegeta and the dragon balls back within an hour, but that was under very specific circumstances and I can't actually remember any other instances of killing off his grunts in the manga. I think was mostly the TV show.
Dandeer has earned Kakara's hatred. Her feeling such hatred towards Dandeer isn't a mistake or a flaw. Hatred doesn't even control Kakara, it's just an emotion she feels towards one specific person and for good reason.
Lets hate the traumatized abuse victim who was seemingly regularly beaten by a Super Saiyan who did everything she could to prevent her son from ending up like his father. Dandeer over reacted yes, but her reaction and actions stem from completely valid reasons.
"Don't you judge me, Kala!" Suddenly, Lady Vegeta breaks into a shriek. "You don't have to sit there and take it as the man you love rages and beats you and...and..." The words stick in her throat in a repulsed gagging noise, keeping her from saying whatever it is. With everything else she's freely hurled out already, you are glad you are too young to guess. "You don't have to watch him fire off the stronger version of the attack that nearly vaporized Cell at your babies! No, you have a man who is strong and kind and wise and doesn't even hesitate to throw himself in between you and the blast! You have never had your husband beat your unborn daughter out of you because he didn't want a second one! DON'T YOU DARE TELL ME WHAT I SHOULD AND SHOULDN'T HAVE DONE!"
I've been considering writing an omake for a while. I intend for this to go in the "From the desk of Emperor Frigid" series. Make it part 3. Sorry if I'm stepping on your toes @Aranfan. And those of you in @Nathaniel Wolff's "Days of Future Past" RP, and especially you @munchkinomatic, may recognize the subject of this dossier.
Clearance Level:9 -- For the eyes of Emperor Frigid and his personal advisers only. This file is monitored by nanomachines embedded in the paper, equipped with cameras, microphones, and scouters that will record the face, voice, and energy signature of the person reading it, and deliver an incapacitating electric shock should an unauthorized reader be detected, as well as sound a silent alarm. Any attempts to read this file by someone of lower rank will result in capture, followed by immediate disciplinary action. A reader not part of Emperor Frigid's forces at all will recieve a lethal electric shock.
---BEGINNING OF FILE---
Subject: Meteor Technologies
Relationship: Neutral
Affiliation: Human
Meteor Technologies began as a small electronics shop in West City, Earth, under the name of Meteor Electronics, Inc. Its founder, one Robert Richards, gradually built Meteor Electronics into a major tech giant. After his death, Meteor Electronics expanded into other markets, becoming known as Meteor Technologies. One of these was spaceflight, along with interplanetary (and eventually interstellar) colonization, with the result that Meteor was on the forefront of humankind's spread across the galaxy, and one of the architects of a truly interstellar humanity. They were also behind the mass exodus of humans, Saiyans, and Majins from Earth.
However, they are not to be mistaken for a collection of Armani-suited saints using their wealth to benefit humanity as a whole, unlike the now almost-mythical Capsule Corporation. Meteor, especially after their dramatic expansion into an economic superpower, has been driven by one thing and one thing only: greed. They raze entire planets, destroying the native ecosystems and terraforming the atmosphere to make planet-sized factories. Corruption scandals at the very top of the company have caused their image to plummet, especially in recent years. Most importantly, they have been caught creating and deriving profit from teams of Champion-level mercenaries augmented with Meteor-brand cybernetics, and ironically, many of those mercenaries are derived from our own ranks, having turned traitor either due to promises of better pay, some foolhardy attempt to escape our authority, or out of a desire for revenge derived from our standard recruiting practices.
While Meteor still enjoys a large amount of profit due to its continued manufacturing of many products sold in human territories, from cell phones to spacecraft, scandal after scandal has caused their image (and thus, their stock value) to plummet, which is making their shareholders very nervous. There have even been talks of dismantling or dissolving the company. If we were to buy out Meteor Technologies--which will likely start looking for a buyer soon even if we decide not to pursue a hostile takeover--and make it into a state-run company that operated in our territories, we would gain access to their factory planets, giving us much more territory than we currently have. In addition, we could force Meteor to make our army their primary client, dealing a severe economic blow to the humans and not only giving us access to their Champion creation process, but ensuring that we no longer have to be completely self-sufficient financially, and also gain access to unique human technologies.
For a variety of reasons, including but not limited to the fact that "humans" are not a recognizably united polity nor even a coherent identity in the universe I've dreamed up, that one will have to be non-canon. I may steal the idea, though.
Number of stars in the Milky Way (by the most conservative credible estimates): 100,000,000,000.
Let's say one percent of one percent of one percent of those can support life (complete guess, but actual estimates tend to be multiple orders of magnitude higher): 100,000,000,000x0.0001=10,000,000.
Let's say one percent of those are inhabited by sapient peoples (just a random guess): 10,000,000x0.01=100,000.
Let's say twenty percent of those are in contact with the wider galaxy through some means (active and outreaching galactic community I've dreamed up): 100,000x0.2=20,000.
Let's say that those planets haven't expanded or done colonization projects of any kind whatsoever (we know they have from Freeza's real estate scam alone, but whatever): 20,000x1=20,000.
Let's say those have roughly modern Earth-ish populations (wildly implausible, but the only metric I've got): 20,000x7,000,000,000=140,000,000,000,000.
Let's say one percent of one percent of one percent of one percent of those individuals are champions (this number I'm fine with): 140,000,000,000,000x0.000001=140,000,000.
There are one hundred and forty million champions at any given time in the Milky Way Galaxy even using the ludicrously minuscule and pessimistic estimates I've outlined above. So while the PTO would have a lot of individuals they could get onto a battlefield at champion strength, that still means that only one out of every hundred ten thousandmillion people would be a champion. And not all of those would be fighters. So in this case, Aranfan is right about champions being rare powerhouses. Now, I could edit that down further and say that it's one in every billion people who are at champion strength. That would give us 140,000 champions in existence. But that's still enough to explain the PTO, because we only see them numbering in the dozens at any given time. Any estimate of the frequency of champions only has to account for there being a few dozen people willing to work for Freeza in order to be plausible. Furthermore, their dominance demands that there be very few other than themselves, further reinforcing that. I assume there to be more, but I only have to account for a few dozen to a bit over a hundred.
So to set aside the math, champions are very rare.
Lets hate the traumatized abuse victim who was seemingly regularly beaten by a Super Saiyan who did everything she could to prevent her son from ending up like his father. Dandeer over reacted yes, but her reaction and actions stem from completely valid reasons.
Jaron's existence proves that what she tried to do was kill her son and replace him with another, doing so in a way that the only way to get back Jaffur is to kill Jaron. Instead, what she did is lock Jaffur inside Jaron's mind and drive him into insanity. From our vision it's also rather likely she either knows by now and chooses to keep him locked in his own mind or suspects but doesn't check because she doesn't want to know. Instead of sending her son to therapy, she chose instead to lock away his memories, personality, and identity. She lied to our father and manipulated him using us.
I don't care if she got abused, she's an adult and completely responsible for her horrendous actions.
Jaron's existence proves that what she tried to do was kill her son and replace him with another, doing so in a way that the only way to get back Jaffur is to kill Jaron. Instead, what she did is lock Jaffur inside Jaron's mind and drive him into insanity. From our vision it's also rather likely she either knows by now and chooses to keep him locked in his own mind or suspects but doesn't check because she doesn't want to know. Instead of sending her son to therapy, she chose instead to lock away his memories, personality, and identity. She lied to our father and manipulated him using us.
I don't care if she got abused, she's an adult and completely responsible for her horrendous actions.
"Kala, I just told you that I Sealed my husband as he slept. Do you think a human managed to break both of my arms and flatten my left lung? A Sorceress I may be, but I could still turn this planet into ash if I wanted."
You go deadly still.
"I thought it was Vegeta," says Dad, his voice vacant with horror. "I thought..."
"Jaffur has been showing the same signs," she says, voice bitter. "When I told him what I had done...he flew into a rage and did this to me. It was all I could do to wipe his memory of the last hour and guide him back to bed before I passed out. Even most of the way to dead, he can still break me over his knee. And he did that to me, Berra. Kakara he treated like spun glass, so careful to knock her out and nothing more, Kakara he refused to spar because it wasn't fair, but he was charging a blast to pierce my heart when I stopped him. Look at what Vegeta did to my baby, Berra. Look at what he's made of my son."
"He was going to kill you?" asks Dad.
"I know that blast. Beyond Jaffur's strength, Vegeta has never cared about the boy's training, but I know his form. He's so bright..." Her voice drifts off before righting itself. "He invented it, you know. From the ground up. What he was charging was the same ray he fired in front of Kakara's nose the day you arrived."
"I thought it was a Dodonpa."
"No. Dodonpas don't pack as much power as that blast does. He calls it the Focus Ray. All he could think to call it, I suppose. He was so literal-minded, when he was six. No, the Focus Ray pierces, like the Death Beams Freeza apparently used. It's almost like a sped-up Makankosappo. It would have gone through my heart and taken a chunk out of the apartment's ki shield afterwards."
"Your own son tried to kill you?"
"His father has broken him, Berra. Whatever Jaffur was going to be, he's lost it now. I need to Seal him, too." She takes a breath. "Better a human son, than an insane one. Better that he can grow up and grow old, free of what his father has done to him. Let him be happy, Berra."
Let's say twenty percent of those are in contact with the wider galaxy through some means (active and outreaching galactic community I've dreamed up): 100,000x0.2=20,000.
Hell. Even assuming you're only likely to get 1-3 champions during a given generation per species would give you between 20k and 60k Champions. Which on it's own is enough to have the Ressurection F scene where the Z Fighters take on hundreds of them each and leave a majority of champions left over.
Even if Champions are vanishingly rare, a galaxy is a big enough place to have a shit ton of them.
Given he didn't kill Berra, I'm pretty sure he only meant to injure her, not kill her. Which is still plenty messed up, but not as comprehensively terrible.
Given he didn't kill Berra, I'm pretty sure he only meant to injure her, not kill her. Which is still plenty messed up, but not as comprehensively terrible.
He wasn't already insane, he was just showing signs of psychological damage as a result of abuse - something that can be helped with therapy. As for trying to kill her:
"-help you, Jaffur," says Lady Vegeta, slowly approaching her son. "It-"
"You're going to lock me up!" he says, stumbling backwards with a crazed look in his eyes, limping as weight comes down on his still-scorched legs. There is something pitiful about him, as destroyed as his body is. "No. No, I won't let you!"
"This is for your own good, son-" Dad starts to say.
I have been refraining from entering this conversation since my most likely contribution would be the unproductive option of anouncing 'something something cycle of hatred'...
But I feel an arguably pedantic need to point out such a technique could be used for something like digging or surgery. It's not a literal killbeam of 'target dies', it's a penetrating beam- not something automatically inappropriate for non-life and death conditions.
He wasn't already insane, he was just showing signs of psychological damage as a result of abuse - something that can be helped with therapy. As for trying to kill her:
I'd say he has reason and the right to kill the person who was trying to kill and replace him.
I think the situation might be a bit recursive there, because Dandeer was also traumatised and did the whole sealing thing because she was so terrified that she could get PTSD flashbacks from us going SS.
Also, what do you mean by trying to kill and replace him?
EDIT: WHOOPS DANDEER NOT BERRA
He wasn't already insane, he was just showing signs of psychological damage as a result of abuse - something that can be helped with therapy. As for trying to kill her:
I'd say he has reason and the right to kill the person who was trying to kill and replace him.
So Jaffur is a poor victim of abuse and trauma, and everything he did is a-okay because self-defense.
But Dandeer (who I just noticed per @Sucal 's quote doesn't talk about trying to seal Jaffur until after he tried to kill her) is a terrible child-killing monster who needs to burn?
Never mind that you're ascribing active malicious intent (IMMA KILL MY SON AND REPLACE HIM) with something that could have had non-malicious intent ("I'll seal away the worst parts of his heart and mind and leave the good boy I know is still there at the forefront").
We've neverasked Dandeer what the intended mental/emotional/spiritual result of her Sealing is supposed to be.
Also, we don't actually know that Dandeer suspects anything, and since she's been driven into a tight corner she's probably holding onto her actions (And Jaron by extension) since it's one of the few things that aren't condemning her for what she's done.
