Dragon Ball: After the End

Modus_Tollens · Oct 6, 2018

Simon_Jester said:
How is that NOT a rational fear, given the Tournament of Power as a reference point?

Mostly in that it is unfounded. Its my gut going 'HEY, WANNA KNOW THE WORST POSSIBLE THING? PREPARE YOUR ANUS!" and then my brain silently screaming for a while.

It might be true but I have absolutely no reason to think that it is. I have to just put it on the 'Grand List Of Things That Might Fuck Us' and move on.

Do you think Hell is an open door, or at the very least the only open crack for the living, because its set up as a disposable kill zone for if combat DOES happen? Nobody is going to miss the place and giving something resembling a way in might give some control over how things play out.

They could seal that crack if they wanted to.

Otherwise it might just be a necessary weakness because sometimes they just need to hellify things that aren't properly dead (or can't die) and sealing off hell from heaven means you can't do anything about the periodic revolts.

CaesriusPolybius · Oct 6, 2018

Simon_Jester said:
Kaio-Ken is a very powerful technique, but even a master of it can blow themselves up by using it too hard.

Everything else aside, that's a bad comparison. The Kaio-Ken's entire thing is that, thanks to how it works, you have to be fairly decent at it to keep from mulching yourself with any given use, and no matter how good you get with it there's always a chance it may happen.

You don't hear anyone saying "oh the tribeam spends life force to power itself and can kill its user, therefore the Dodonpa might kill you too if you try to get too much out of it."

Gore17 · Oct 6, 2018

QTesseract said:
So at the death of earth, we had:
SG Gohan->SSjG Gohan -> SSjG Suicide Gohan (Way way above Spirit Saiyan)
G Piccolo (Way above Spirit Saiyan)
Pan (Extremely high since supposedly she was on track to become the strongest of them all; Way above Spirit Saiyan)
Uub (Unknown, almost certainly above spirit Saiyan)
+ literally dozens of the strongest fighters in the universe, the weakest of which are an order of magnitude above our (non shade) FPSSj.

If they contributed at all, we could probably contribute to a fight as well, but IIRC the enemy spent a lot of the fight toying with them and one shotted SSj2 Goten in the span of an instant, while fighting piccolo + gohan, and nearly did the same to uub at the beginning of the fight). Kakara almost certainly knows this as well.

HoratioVonBecker said:
That was with the Garenhuld population. With Yammar, it was about double our normal. With everyone from Heaven or Hell who is willing and able to donate?
Well, the dead outnumber the living.

Simon_Jester said:
Honestly I'm not even sure how Super-Saiyan God forms stack up against Spirit Saiyan. We don't know what the upper limits on power are for the SSJ2 and SSJ3 forms. The lower bound for SSJ2 is somewhere in the neighborhood of, what, two billion?

I mean... assume the range from the 'bottom' to the fully mastered 'top' of SSJ2 is as broad as it is for the first level. That is, about a factor of seven and a half (from 150 or so, up to 1125). Then the 'top' of FPSSJ2 would be somewhere around fifteen billion.

Assuming for the sake of argument that the much more energy-intensive SSJ3 state is potentially even stronger than THAT, we might expect another redoubling of power (30 billion) followed by another 7.5-fold or eightfold increase (220-240 billion) as one fully masters the transformation.

We've done better than that.

It is not inconceivable to me that we could use Spirit Saiyan as a viable alternative to Super Saiyan God or even Blue, either with Garenhuld's current power supply, or with the power supply that would be available to us with more super-saiyans.

If we could duplicate the GT feat of concentrating all the power of the universe into a Spirit Bomb, I am very sure that would be enough.

QTesseract said:
And yet, none of Gohan / Goku / King Kai / anyone else they taught has done so. Or, perhaps more tellingly, the gods *haven't* just gotten xeno / the super dragon balls to make a pair of arbitrarily high capacity Potara earrings, and sicked (probably more than) SSj2G Vegito on the problem (Or Vegehan, or whatever you'd call a goku / gohan fusion, or fusion with hit or jiren, or beerus, or whatever). Force alone might be a possible win, but I very strongly suspect that force *in addition* to something else is needed.

E: also your scaling is off, because the saiyans at ssj2 were "strong[er] by a wide margin" than the buu (between ssj2 and ssj3) level humans. Caps don't seem to be, like, 100% limits if you have enough means.

We actually know the max gain from SSJ2 if you haven't unlocked a higher transformation: 15 billion. That's 20 times the gain of a FPSSJ, and a FPSSJ2 gains 7.5 billion in SSJ1 form. And 10 times what a FPSSJ would gain by unlocking the transformation.

A FPSSJ gains a bit of 5 times what a new SSJ would get, so let's say that a FPSSJ3 is 20 times greater then base. That means they gain 1.2 trillion.

So their PL's would be:

Base Power: 75 Billion (At Cap).

Super Saiyan Boost: 150 Billion (At Cap).

Total Transformed SSJ Power: 225 Billion.

Super Saiyan 2 Boost: 300 Billion (At Cap).

Total Transformed SSJ2 Power: 375 Billion

Super Saiyan 3 Boost: 1.2 Trillion (At Cap).

Total Transformed SSJ3 Power: 1.275 Trillion

That's about 2.55 times the power level of Kakara while a Spirit Saiyan on Garenhuld at max. And it'd make just as much sense for all those PL's to be doubled.

So, yeah, don't need to be a Saiyan God to get higher.

But were they higher? That's a big, important question. Going by when Trunks came back due to the Zamasu's, he was about the equal to Goku in SSJ3 form as a SSJ2. Assuming he was a FPSSJ2, under this system he would have had a PL of 18.75 billion.

ilbgar123 · Oct 6, 2018

So, it sounds like The Enemy is going to need something crazy like Ultra Instinct SSJ4 Golden Oozaru God Kaio Ken X10 with a Universe-wide Spirit Saiyan boost, or else some technique specifically created to kill the shit out of them and SS3 God.

Simon_Jester · Oct 6, 2018

Thaaat, or Gore17 may be overestimating some numbers.

Let's not make too many assumptions until we've actually MET (or become) a viable SSJ2 or SSJ3, if nothing else.

Simon_Jester · Oct 6, 2018

CaesriusPolybius said:
Everything else aside, that's a bad comparison. The Kaio-Ken's entire thing is that, thanks to how it works, you have to be fairly decent at it to keep from mulching yourself with any given use, and no matter how good you get with it there's always a chance it may happen.

You don't hear anyone saying "oh the tribeam spends life force to power itself and can kill its user, therefore the Dodonpa might kill you too if you try to get too much out of it."

Well firstly, a Dodonpa isn't just a scaled-down Kikoho, nor vice versa.

Secondly, the point of the Kaio-Ken being dangerous isn't just that it's a fully generic technique, it's that it increases your power level, but to a level beyond what the body can naturally adjust to and control.

Spirit Bomb seems a heck of a lot safer (I doubt anyone could have attained Kaio-Ken x500 without being reduced to mist), but we shouldn't just take for granted that this safety still holds true when dealing with divine ki.

KnightDisciple · Oct 6, 2018

HoratioVonBecker said:
Nope. That said, I really doubt that Mastered Spirit Saiyan would ever cause us to harm ourselves with the powerup unless someone makes a poison-pill donation or something. More likely, there's just a hard limit to how much we can accept at one time.

Right, so, new wine in an old wineskin = burst wineskin.

My point is that we should not assume there is no limit to how much power we can draw in with Spirit Saiyan. We should not assume that the power-up does not either a.) have a point where it can become dangerous or deadly to the wielder, or b.) has something of a "hard cap" where we simply cannot draw in more power to ourselves (due to either controlling the pre-Spirit-Saiyan Genki Dama, or the form itself simply saying "NOPE" past the danger point). We don't know enough.

And hinging all of our plans upon the idea that we can win with sufficient Spirit Saiyan power is thus...a bit foolish.

ilbgar123 said:
So, it sounds like The Enemy is going to need something crazy like Ultra Instinct SSJ4 Golden Oozaru God Kaio Ken X10 with a Universe-wide Spirit Saiyan boost, or else some technique specifically created to kill the shit out of them and SS3 God.

Let's not assume the only thing we need to beat the Enemy is raw power.

What if our success relies, ultimately, on trusting others and having an entire team of people with us? No one person being more important than the other. I mean, we have Paladin Maya and Super Sorcerer Jaffur (and possibly also that title for Jaron?) on our team. Who's to say we won't pick up more friends along the way who can provide similar aid?

Goi · Oct 6, 2018

Well trucks managed to get SS2 to the same level as SS3 and after a year of training at least with Vegeta able to at least fight SSR(aka SSB as done by an actual god for a time but it was a losing fight only able to buy time ) as well as Vegeta got to keep the rage buffed version he got against Beerus(as in he was matching/stronger than SS Goku black who could match Goku in in base in SS3(or it was trucks in his original supped up SS2)

though yeah Spirit Sayian most likely has a peak but then again training the spirit ball might increase it. Since who knows I the spirit ball has a limit or a limit in how many different voices/layers how ever it was described in you at once and maybe even how strong they are since I could see that if you tried to absorb a power or section that was that much greater than you might cause issues though.

I mean it could be nothing but we are kind of bad at the spirit ball(better than the original creator version but still we are kind of what was it unlearned(6/11 so at lot better than I thought) but still at a point where there is a lot of potential to grow

QTesseract · Oct 6, 2018

Gore17 said:
We actually know the max gain from SSJ2 if you haven't unlocked a higher transformation: 15 billion. That's 20 times the gain of a FPSSJ, and a FPSSJ2 gains 7.5 billion in SSJ1 form. And 10 times what a FPSSJ would gain by unlocking the transformation.

A FPSSJ gains a bit of 5 times what a new SSJ would get, so let's say that a FPSSJ3 is 20 times greater then base. That means they gain 1.2 trillion.

So their PL's would be:

That's about 2.55 times the power level of Kakara while a Spirit Saiyan on Garenhuld at max. And it'd make just as much sense for all those PL's to be doubled.

So, yeah, don't need to be a Saiyan God to get higher.

But were they higher? That's a big, important question. Going by when Trunks came back due to the Zamasu's, he was about the equal to Goku in SSJ3 form as a SSJ2. Assuming he was a FPSSJ2, under this system he would have had a PL of 18.75 billion.

I strongly suspect that the people on earth didn't have the same caps as the rp does, for one reason or another. Humans are on the reelased!buu range, who falls somewhere between Buu arc SSj2 and Buu arc ssj3, but even the ssj2 saiyans are stated to be "way stronger" than that. It's good to know, but I was already familiar with that because I'm up to date on the rp; I just don't think it's applicable here. For an example, take vegeta in BotG; he's clearly mastered ssj2, but he can spike higher than ssj3 goku. Under your logic, that would mean his "my bulma" moment was a, what, hundred times multiple? That makes no sense.

Gore17 · Oct 6, 2018

QTesseract said:
I strongly suspect that the people on earth didn't have the same caps as the rp does, for one reason or another. Humans are on the reelased!buu range, who falls somewhere between Buu arc SSj2 and Buu arc ssj3, but even the ssj2 saiyans are stated to be "way stronger" than that. It's good to know, but I was already familiar with that because I'm up to date on the rp; I just don't think it's applicable here. For an example, take vegeta in BotG; he's clearly mastered ssj2, but he can spike higher than ssj3 goku. Under your logic, that would mean his "my bulma" moment was a, what, hundred times multiple? That makes no sense.

Willpower push plus traits.

KnightDisciple · Oct 6, 2018

QTesseract said:
I strongly suspect that the people on earth didn't have the same caps as the rp does, for one reason or another. Humans are on the reelased!buu range, who falls somewhere between Buu arc SSj2 and Buu arc ssj3, but even the ssj2 saiyans are stated to be "way stronger" than that. It's good to know, but I was already familiar with that because I'm up to date on the rp; I just don't think it's applicable here. For an example, take vegeta in BotG; he's clearly mastered ssj2, but he can spike higher than ssj3 goku. Under your logic, that would mean his "my bulma" moment was a, what, hundred times multiple? That makes no sense.

I think this is something @PoptartProdigy has said in-thread here, but....

Humans and Namekians have no caps. That's their upside to not having a laundry-list of forms they can transform in to for instant power-ups; they can keep growing, theoretically infinitely.

Simon_Jester · Oct 6, 2018

KnightDisciple said:
Right, so, new wine in an old wineskin = burst wineskin.

My point is that we should not assume there is no limit to how much power we can draw in with Spirit Saiyan. We should not assume that the power-up does not either a.) have a point where it can become dangerous or deadly to the wielder, or b.) has something of a "hard cap" where we simply cannot draw in more power to ourselves (due to either controlling the pre-Spirit-Saiyan Genki Dama, or the form itself simply saying "NOPE" past the danger point). We don't know enough.

And hinging all of our plans upon the idea that we can win with sufficient Spirit Saiyan power is thus...a bit foolish.

Okay, I agree that we shouldn't somehow stake all our hopes on that.

But at the same time, in defense of those discussing the matter, including myself, that doesn't mean we shouldn't at least give the matter serious consideration. It's a relatively obvious and straightforward way to get a huge powerup, potentially one even greater than Super-Saiyan Three depending on just how great that form really is. Potentially enough to put us on literally god-tier level power. We don't know if it does or not, but we'd be fools to just not even think about it.

I mean, it was very much to our cost that we didn't use Spirit Saiyan much much earlier in the fight with Dandeer, or rather to utterly preempt our fight with Dandeer. We'd feel pretty stupid if it turned out that a big enough Spirit Saiyan boost could defeat the Enemy and we just never even considered trying, wouldn't we?

Let's not assume the only thing we need to beat the Enemy is raw power.

What if our success relies, ultimately, on trusting others and having an entire team of people with us? No one person being more important than the other. I mean, we have Paladin Maya and Super Sorcerer Jaffur (and possibly also that title for Jaron?) on our team. Who's to say we won't pick up more friends along the way who can provide similar aid?

I mean, I'm not even saying you're wrong about any of this! As far as I'm concerned this is almost certainly true.

But that doesn't mean we should shut down discussion entirely, just that we shouln't make reckless assumptions like "sure we can go fight the Enemy now without detailed information on his abilities, Spirit Saiyan is our equalizer" or "sure we can absorb divine ki into a Spirit Bomb, let's not even bother asking the guys who HAVE divine ki AND the Spirit Bomb whether or not that works!"

HoratioVonBecker · Oct 6, 2018

Marty7928 said:
Question for thread in general.
Has there been any discussion on ultra instinct?

PoptartProdigy just told me on the discord that having a high level for ki control would help in unlocking it.

I think it's just Ki Overcharge. The second version might be an Elite talent. (That, or Ultra Instinct Sign is the Elite one and Ultra Instinct Mastered is the Legendary one.)

Simon_Jester · Oct 6, 2018

HoratioVonBecker said:
I think it's just Ki Overcharge. The second version might be an Elite talent. (That, or Ultra Instinct Sign is the Elite one and Ultra Instinct Mastered is the Legendary one.)

No, Ultra Instinct is something quite different from Ki Overcharge. It doesn't make you stronger, it makes you supremely skillful. It lets you react with perfection or near-perfection to other people's actions in combat. Poptart has been quite explicit about this, as I recall.

Our best bet to achieve something comparable to Ultra Instinct in the medium term future is with combat precognition, which can potentially accomplish something similar by different means.

QTesseract · Oct 6, 2018

KnightDisciple said:
I think this is something @PoptartProdigy has said in-thread here, but....

Humans and Namekians have no caps. That's their upside to not having a laundry-list of forms they can transform in to for instant power-ups; they can keep growing, theoretically infinitely.

That's nice, but not relevant to the convo at hand. The point was that the saiyan's strength surpassed the humans by an amount it couldn't if they were limited to 18 billion, not that the humans were too strong

Gore17 said:
Willpower push plus traits.

I don't buy. It probably was a willpower push, but no way was it from 18 billion. Even leaving aside that this would require that vegeta just accept himself being a hundred times weaker than goku and gohan, well:

Quantum Tesseract Today at 1:44 PM
@PoptartProdigy what would a benchmark be for a x100 willpower push? dc 1000? Higher?

PoptartProdigy Today at 1:45 PM
"Not happening."

HoratioVonBecker · Oct 6, 2018

So Endivan's Push was probably more like an x40 one, then?

NavySeel · Oct 6, 2018

Simon_Jester said:
Either "the latter" or "neither," I suspect. For all I know god ki isn't even transferrable.

I'm not so sure just the left overs of being a Super Saiyan god was enough to unlock blue.

HoratioVonBecker · Oct 6, 2018

NavySeel said:
I'm not so sure just the left overs of being a Super Saiyan god was enough to unlock blue.

What do you mean?

Deathbybunnies · Oct 6, 2018

HoratioVonBecker said:
So Endivan's Push was probably more like an x40 one, then?

His opponent was only a newly-ascended SSJ, and he didn't push to parity.

So I've been thinking about matters entirely unrelated to the matter at hand.

Garenhuld is kind of a funny name, isn't it? Google translate says that Huld is Icelandic for Dark, but Garen is picked up as Basque for "we are". Which is interesting if "We are Dark" is the intended translation, but I suspect it's not supposed to be Basque and Google just can't work it out - it might be a corruption. Any Icelandic speakers in the thread?

I'd thought of something else more useful, but I forgot it as I was catching up with the thread, so I'm going to bed. I'll post it if I remember it

Benwise · Oct 6, 2018

Deathbybunnies said:
So I've been thinking about matters entirely unrelated to the matter at hand.

Garenhuld is kind of a funny name, isn't it? Google translate says that Huld is Icelandic for Dark, but Garen is picked up as Basque for "we are". Which is interesting if "We are Dark" is the intended translation, but I suspect it's not supposed to be Basque and Google just can't work it out - it might be a corruption. Any Icelandic speakers in the thread?

I'd thought of something else more useful, but I forgot it as I was catching up with the thread, so I'm going to bed. I'll post it if I remember it

Yes, actually. Garen means precisely fuckall as far as I can figure out, unless it is some odd anglicization of a reference to the Deacon of the Dark River, one of the nations more famous ghost folktales. And huld is definitely an odd choice if you just want to say darkness. I cannot remember it being used as such but I am no linguist and pretty rusty on any old prose besides.

However if huld is really meant to be icelandic I would much sooner guess that it is a reference to the huldufólk ie "the hidden people" a society of supernaturally greater people that exists invisibly beside the mundane one.

Again, I am no linguist, I can not even clearly confirm that this is remotely on the right track, but I can check on the digital dictionary when I am in school, which is a lot more complete than any other icelandic online dictionary I am aware of.

Deathbybunnies · Oct 6, 2018

I've remembered my second thought, and am posting from bed.

[X] [ASK] What benefits, if any, does capsule tech actually provide beyond easy transportation? Is it mostly just a big deal for maintaining Earth relics and Bulma's importance to the Exiles?

PoptartProdigy · Oct 6, 2018

*sees people debating the etymology of, "Garenhuld"*

*raises hand*

I thought it sounded cool.

The various ways it accidentally resembles Icelandic are interesting, though.

Gore17 · Oct 6, 2018

QTesseract said:
That's nice, but not relevant to the convo at hand. The point was that the saiyan's strength surpassed the humans by an amount it couldn't if they were limited to 18 billion, not that the humans were too strong

Fairly sure Goten and Trunks were Ki Mutants, and Gohan had those two "unlock potential" rituals used on him, so none of them would have been normal Saiyans.

Or you're overestimating how strong they were.

QTesseract said:
I don't buy. It probably was a willpower push, but no way was it from 18 billion. Even leaving aside that this would require that vegeta just accept himself being a hundred times weaker than goku and gohan, well:

Quantum Tesseract Today at 1:44 PM
@PoptartProdigy what would a benchmark be for a x100 willpower push? dc 1000? Higher?

PoptartProdigy Today at 1:45 PM
"Not happening."

Well, for one thing, you're assuming that Vegeta has mastered SSJ2. For another, you're assuming that Goku had mastered SSJ2 and SSJ3. He very much hadn't.

Using Future Trunks from the manga, assumed in this to be a FPSSJ2, Goku as a SSJ3 when they met was about as strong. So 18.75 billion. How much of that is Goku's base, and how much is the transformation is unknown, but I'm going to guess it's 2.25 and 16.5 respectively.

This is after training with Whis.

If we use the anime instead, Future Trunks hadn't actually reached his peak strength, so he was less then 18.75 billion. And Goku was about as strong in SSJ2 form.

Basically, no matter how you cut it, Goku had not, at that point, completely master SSJ2 nor SSJ3.

PoptartProdigy · Oct 6, 2018

Vote closed.

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My, that split all over the place. However, your winner remains:

[X] Decline, thank Yemma for his time, and make ready to leave. You'll return if you fulfill one of the first two conditions -- or alternatively, if you later feel like taking a crack at Hell.
-[X] Ask Yemma if you could make a short visit to Gohan now, even if only for a matter of minutes. Not to stay.
-[X] If so, do so. You... would very much like to see Jii-chan again.
-[X] If not, or if the price would be too high, jump to old friends.

Also, Horatio, a note: given how you voted -- that is, for Gohan then everything -- it doesn't make a difference to the tally, but your formatting put your vote as a single plan, and the software can't handle merging it. You'd need a separate, main-line vote for each to avoid the problem.

Keldin · Oct 7, 2018

PoptartProdigy said:
*sees people debating the etymology of, "Garenhuld"*

*raises hand*

I thought it sounded cool.

The various ways it accidentally resembles Icelandic are interesting, though.

Ah yes, the Evangelion effect. Hidden meanings are fun and all, but sometimes I wish creators would be more upfront about it and just admit that they did something because it's cool, and not pretend like it's a reference to the final scene of Grapes of Wrath or some other fine art explanation.

Dragon Ball: After the End

SCREAMING AT THE APOCALYPSE

Worldgate Mechanic

Love God. Do Right. Fear No Man.

Biribiri

Love God. Do Right. Fear No Man.

Imperfectly Aligned

Biribiri

Imperfectly Aligned

"I don't know what I'm doing."

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Lawful Evil

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