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That doesn't mean we can't visit him.

It just means we shouldn't try.

I suspect that blitzing Snake Way would not be viable in the time available (roughly ten minutes).

We're a lot stronger than Goku, but we'd be making the run in a loooooooot less time than he had.

But yeah, we CAN ask Gohan if he can arrange for someone to contact us. If we can visit at all.
In addition to the point @WorthyAlchemist? raises and poptart's guarantee, Kakara is willing to accept old enemies as an option. If she thought "the enemy" was a serious possibility, we'd have to overcome some serious vote weighting.

(Also, Poptart just warned us off hell and that doesn't hold a candle to the enemy, and unlike other insanely strong possibilities eg freeza negotiating with the enemy strikes me as a poor option).
He's almost certainly too busy to justify taking time off. He's one of the gods, and gods in Poptart's setting don't just lounge around doing nothing all day.
I mean, he accepts dbsuper as canon, so Beerus did. I think it's fair to say gods aren't supposed to lounge around doing nothing, and gohan doesn't shirk his responsibilities, but some of them manifestly do in le
 
In addition to the point @WorthyAlchemist? raises and poptart's guarantee, Kakara is willing to accept old enemies as an option. If she thought "the enemy" was a serious possibility, we'd have to overcome some serious vote weighting.

(Also, Poptart just warned us off hell and that doesn't hold a candle to the enemy, and unlike other insanely strong possibilities eg freeza negotiating with the enemy strikes me as a poor option).
I mean, I don't expect warnings and hand-holdings for everything, y'know? Good results aren't guaranteed and not every risk will be specifically flagged for our attention.

I'm pretty sure we got a warning for Hell because Poptart specifically wanted to keep us from thinking we could just blithely power through it simply because, e.g. Goku was able to get out of Hell during the Saiyan Saga. As in, Poptart anticipated a MAJOR underestimation of Hell's threat level, and acted to prevent that out of the 'lawful' part of 'lawful evil.'

I mean, he accepts dbsuper as canon, so Beerus did. I think it's fair to say gods aren't supposed to lounge around doing nothing, and gohan doesn't shirk his responsibilities, but some of them manifestly do in le
Okay, let's roll with that.

Alternatively, Beerus is a god of destruction. His job is literally 'blow shit up.' If he were a workaholic then Universe 7 would be more like Universe 0.007. Taking a lot of naps and spending most of his time farting around NOT using his powers may actually be a contractual obligation.
 
I'm pretty sure we got a warning for Hell because Poptart specifically wanted to keep us from thinking we could just blithely power through it simply because, e.g. Goku was able to get out of Hell during the Saiyan Saga. As in, Poptart anticipated a MAJOR underestimation of Hell's threat level, and acted to prevent that out of the 'lawful' part of 'lawful evil.'
Pretty much exactly, yes.
 
I mean, I don't expect warnings and hand-holdings for everything, y'know? Good results aren't guaranteed and not every risk will be specifically flagged for our attention.

I'm pretty sure we got a warning for Hell because Poptart specifically wanted to keep us from thinking we could just blithely power through it simply because, e.g. Goku was able to get out of Hell during the Saiyan Saga. As in, Poptart anticipated a MAJOR underestimation of Hell's threat level, and acted to prevent that out of the 'lawful' part of 'lawful evil.'

Okay, let's roll with that.

Alternatively, Beerus is a god of destruction. His job is literally 'blow shit up.' If he were a workaholic then Universe 7 would be more like Universe 0.007. Taking a lot of naps and spending most of his time farting around NOT using his powers may actually be a contractual obligation.
I was referring to the fact that he doesn't cooperate with shin or do any real research or judging to determine whether planets need destroying, and instead literally spends his time lazing around doing nothing most of the day. Determining the fate of entire planets across the universe should be more than a full time job, and if Gohan got roped into it he would probably take it far more seriously than he does his normal job since he's responsible for trillions of people. Beerus doesn't.

My understanding is that, in Super and in AtE, Gods have a lot of responsibility. Someone like Gohan and Piccolo, and even the likes of Goku and Vegeta to an extent, would take that responsibility fairly seriously, while others like Beerus might spend their time fucking around unless scared straight (The ToP might have done the trick, though, at least for a while).
 
The Unsealing contained many revelations, and perhaps foremost among these was the revelation that somebody -- likely your Sensei himself -- put a block on your Sight. You've yet to find the limits, but you are capable of far more than you ever thought.
Did anyone else think it was possibly the person who intervened during our vision of the Enemy? (Poptart, did that person have the voice of Future Kakara?)
Taking advantage of that, Kakara doubled and redoubled her attack, shredding Dandeer's soul with such impressive savagery that Yammar almost thought he was seeing some obscure offshoot of Trunks style, channeling ki into words instead of swords. Every time he thought she might have spent herself, she pulled out another devestating argument to wreck Dandeer's focus and composure.
I liked your omake a lot, but this paragraph felt a bit off. It doesn't seem to gel with Yammar's 'not super talky' nature, and I don't think Trunks Style is prominent enough in Garenhuld Saiyan vocabulary to use as a butchered reference. Maybe use a reference to Chichi or Bulma's legendary tongue-lashings, instead?
Also, the main reason Instant Transmission isn't an involved technique is that it involves advanced calculus to learn and for some reason the other, hidden crippling penalty in Chaiotzu Style is to Math Skills. :p
Why?

[X] Decline, thank Yemma for his time, and make ready to leave. You'll return if you fulfill one of the first two conditions -- or alternatively, if you later feel like taking a crack at Hell.
-[X] Ask Yemma if you could make a short visit to Gohan now, even if only for a matter of minutes. Not to stay.
-[X] If so, do so. You... would very much like to see Jii-chan again.
-[X] If not, or if the price would be too high, jump to old friends.

[X][ASK] Lord Yemma, could I use ki telepathy to contact my ancestors in the afterlife?
[X][ASK] Dazarel, have you ever heard of a pair of spacefaring warriors who go by the names Lapis and Lazuli?
 
True. Beerus has been shown to be both negligent in the sense that he remains uninvolved for extended periods (thus allowing major incidents like Broly blowing up South Galaxy to go unanswered), and in the sense that when he does actively use his powers he often does so for bad reasons (such as blowing up a planet out of personal pique or because its inhabitants couldn't put up a credible fight)
 
I liked your omake a lot, but this paragraph felt a bit off. It doesn't seem to gel with Yammar's 'not super talky' nature, and I don't think Trunks Style is prominent enough in Garenhuld Saiyan vocabulary to use as a butchered reference. Maybe use a reference to Chichi or Bulma's legendary tongue-lashings, instead?
You do not have sufficient evidence to justify that opinion.

Trunks Style is about as well represented as most of the other known styles, that is to say we know of about one Poptart-created NPC who definitely uses it.
 
You do not have sufficient evidence to justify that opinion.

Trunks Style is about as well represented as most of the other known styles, that is to say we know of about one Poptart-created NPC who definitely uses it.
I think I do, actually - to be prominent enough that mangling it into a nearly-unrelated metaphor is a natural way to speak, it would have to be the most prominent option for conveying the message. I think it hasn't shown up that often.
 
I liked your omake a lot, but this paragraph felt a bit off. It doesn't seem to gel with Yammar's 'not super talky' nature, and I don't think Trunks Style is prominent enough in Garenhuld Saiyan vocabulary to use as a butchered reference. Maybe use a reference to Chichi or Bulma's legendary tongue-lashings, instead?

I'll be honest, I did that entirely for the words/swords wordplay, and I agree that it didn't quite perfectly work out. Hazard of first drafts.
 
allowing major incidents like Broly blowing up South Galaxy to go unanswered

Why would he answer it? It was literally someone doing his job for him. If anything, he would have applauded.

such as blowing up a planet out of personal pique or because its inhabitants couldn't put up a credible fight

To be fair, that's only what he says his reasons are. He's a god, he could know things and act on that knowledge, then cover it up with a silly or nonsensical reason just to ensure that his reputation for random destruction continued to spread. People who are panicking at the mention of his name are likely pleasing to him, after all. Please keep in mind that not all characters speak the truth at all times, especially those who are powerful or who have secrets.
 
I mean, I don't expect warnings and hand-holdings for everything, y'know? Good results aren't guaranteed and not every risk will be specifically flagged for our attention.
There's still no reason it would be the Enemy. There's an advantage to going to hell that doesn't exist with the Enemy. I don't believe the qm would add an insta death option even if they didn't warn us about one.
 
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[X] Decline, thank Yemma for his time, and make ready to leave. You'll return if you fulfill one of the first two conditions -- or alternatively, if you later feel like taking a crack at Hell.
-[X] Ask Yemma if you could make a short visit to Gohan now, even if only for a matter of minutes. Not to stay.
-[X] If so, do so. You... would very much like to see Jii-chan again.
-[X] If not, or if the price would be too high, jump to old friends.

[X] Decline, thank Yemma for his time, and make ready to leave. You'll return if you fulfill one of the first two conditions -- or alternatively, if you later feel like taking a crack at Hell.
-[X] Ask Yemma if you could make a short visit to Gohan now, even if only for a matter of minutes. Not to stay.
-[X] If so, do so. You... would very much like to see Jii-chan again.
-[X] If not, or if the price would be too high, jump to old family.
 
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  • [X][ASK] Dazarel, have you ever heard of a pair of spacefaring warriors who go by the names Lapis and Lazuli?
    [X] Decline, thank Yemma for his time, and make ready to leave. You'll return if you fulfill one of the first two conditions -- or alternatively, if you later feel like taking a crack at Hell.
    -[X] Ask Yemma if you could make a short visit to Gohan now, even if only for a matter of minutes. Not to stay.
    -[X] If so, do so. You... would very much like to see Jii-chan again.
    -[X] If not, or if the price would be too high, jump to old friends.
    [X][ASK] Lord Yemma, could I use ki telepathy to contact my ancestors in the afterlife?
    [x] Decline, thank Yemma for his time, and leave. You'll return if you fulfill one of the first two conditions -- or alternatively, if you later feel like taking a crack at Hell. After leaving, jump to:
    -[x] Old friends.
    [x] Decline, thank Yemma for his time, and leave. You'll return if you fulfill one of the first two conditions -- or alternatively, if you later feel like taking a crack at Hell. After leaving, jump to:
    -[x] New enemies.
    [x] Decline, thank Yemma for his time, and leave. You'll return if you fulfill one of the first two conditions -- or alternatively, if you later feel like taking a crack at Hell. After leaving, jump to:
    -[X] New family.
    [x] Decline, thank Yemma for his time, and leave. You'll return if you fulfill one of the first two conditions -- or alternatively, if you later feel like taking a crack at Hell. After leaving, jump to:
    -[X]New Friends
    [x] Decline, thank Yemma for his time, and leave. You'll return if you fulfill one of the first two conditions -- or alternatively, if you later feel like taking a crack at Hell. After leaving, jump to:
    -[X]Old Family
    [x] Decline, thank Yemma for his time, and leave. You'll return if you fulfill one of the first two conditions -- or alternatively, if you later feel like taking a crack at Hell. After leaving, jump to:
    -[X] Old enemies
    [X] Go to Hell, brave whatever perils lie within, and try to enter Heaven as quick as possible.
    [X] Decline, thank Yemma for his time, and make ready to leave. You'll return if you fulfill one of the first two conditions -- or alternatively, if you later feel like taking a crack at Hell.
    -[X] Ask Yemma if you could make a short visit to Gohan now, even if only for a matter of minutes. Not to stay.
    -[X] If so, do so. You... would very much like to see Jii-chan again.
    [X] Go to Hell, brave whatever perils lie within, and try to enter Heaven as quick as possible.
    Explicit QM's note: no guarantee of survival if you do this. There never is, but for this path in particular, there are a lot of insanely hostile and powerful threats, and this quest doesn't do level scaling or warning shots
    .
    [X][ASK] Lord Yemma, does King Kai's planet count as part of the space protected by the barrier?
    [X][ASK] Lord Yemma, how can I contact Whis and Lord Beerus?
    [X] Go to Hell, brave whatever perils lie within, and try to enter Heaven as quick as possible. Explicit QM's note: no guarantee of survival if you do this. There never is, but for this path in particular, there are a lot of insanely hostile and powerful threats, and this quest doesn't do level scaling or warning shots.
 
[X] Decline, thank Yemma for his time, and make ready to leave. You'll return if you fulfill one of the first two conditions -- or alternatively, if you later feel like taking a crack at Hell.
-[X] Ask Yemma if you could make a short visit to Gohan now, even if only for a matter of minutes. Not to stay.
-[X] If so, do so. You... would very much like to see Jii-chan again.
-[X] If not, or if the price would be too high, jump to old friends.

[X][ASK] Lord Yemma, could I use ki telepathy to contact my ancestors in the afterlife?
[X][ASK] Dazarel, have you ever heard of a pair of spacefaring warriors who go by the names Lapis and Lazuli?
 
Does anybody else think the Enemy's actions are strange? If the thing was willing to kill an innocent planet to take out the Saiyans, I find it odd they balked at systematically obliterating each galaxy. Popping in to a system and detonating it's star wouldn't have taken long. I mean, if Broly could kill a galaxy, any idiot with SSB power could do it trivially. He can screw with Sight, so presumably foresight from the gods is out as a means of predicting which specific system he's going for, making Beerus and Whis setting an ambush a non-starter unless they get spectacularly lucky.

What's more, if he was strong enough to kill Goku and Vegeta, presumably working together as SSBs, then him being able to at least keep up with Whis and Beerus to the point of being able to escape to the next system over is completely plausible. Unless he's like Babidi on steroids and his ability to jump between systems is shit compared to his direct combat ability. That would explain why he wouldn't do that, though it wouldn't explain why everybody was so scared of him if running away was a perfectly viable strategy, since he's clearly not on the level where he can erase universes at whim like Zeno'o in this scenario, or else he'd have done it to erase any chance of the Saiyans coming back.

The only explanation I can think of is that The Enemy's got some kind of grudge against specifically the Saiyans, and harboring them is enough to give a planet an execution, but not a whole galaxy or universe. Of course, he could simply be like if Beerus was completely morally bankrupt and went out looking for good fights, only blowing up Earth as 'punishment' for dashing his hopes. The Vision didn't give me that impression though.
 
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Does anybody else think the Enemy's actions are strange? If the thing was willing to kill an innocent planet to take out the Saiyans, I find it odd they balked at systematically obliterating each galaxy. Popping in to a system and detonating it's star wouldn't have taken long. I mean, if Broly could kill a galaxy, any idiot with SSB power could do it trivially. He can screw with Sight, so presumably foresight from the gods is out as a means of predicting which specific system he's going for, making Beerus and Whis setting an ambush a non-starter unless they get spectacularly lucky.

What's more, if he was strong enough to kill Goku and Vegeta, presumably working together as SSBs, then him being able to at least keep up with Whis and Beerus to the point of being able to escape to the next system over is completely plausible. Unless he's like Babidi on steroids and his ability to jump between systems is shit compared to his direct combat ability. That would explain why he wouldn't do that, though it wouldn't explain why everybody was so scared of him if running away was a perfectly viable strategy, since he's clearly not on the level where he can erase universes at whim like Zeno'o in this scenario, or else he'd have done it to erase any chance of the Saiyans coming back.

The only explanation I can think of is that The Enemy's got some kind of grudge against specifically the Saiyans, and harboring them is enough to give a planet an execution, but not a whole galaxy or universe. Of course, he could simply be like if Beerus was completely morally bankrupt and went out looking for good fights, only blowing up Earth as 'punishment' for dashing his hopes. The Vision didn't give me that impression though.
I think him having a grudge against saiyans is probably the most plausible option, but that doesn't explain why Tarble's descendants are still around. If he has a grudge against saiyans, I would imagine it somehow doesn't apply or doesn't totally apply to them
 
Does anybody else think the Enemy's actions are strange? If the thing was willing to kill an innocent planet to take out the Saiyans, I find it odd they balked at systematically obliterating each galaxy. Popping in to a system and detonating it's star wouldn't have taken long. I mean, if Broly could kill a galaxy, any idiot with SSB power could do it trivially. He can screw with Sight, so presumably foresight from the gods is out as a means of predicting which specific system he's going for, making Beerus and Whis setting an ambush a non-starter unless they get spectacularly lucky.

What's more, if he was strong enough to kill Goku and Vegeta, presumably working together as SSBs, then him being able to at least keep up with Whis and Beerus to the point of being able to escape to the next system over is completely plausible. Unless he's like Babidi on steroids and his ability to jump between systems is shit compared to his direct combat ability. That would explain why he wouldn't do that, though it wouldn't explain why everybody was so scared of him if running away was a perfectly viable strategy, since he's clearly not on the level where he can erase universes at whim like Zeno'o in this scenario, or else he'd have done it to erase any chance of the Saiyans coming back.

The only explanation I can think of is that The Enemy's got some kind of grudge against specifically the Saiyans, and harboring them is enough to give a planet an execution, but not a whole galaxy or universe. Of course, he could simply be like if Beerus was completely morally bankrupt and went out looking for good fights, only blowing up Earth as 'punishment' for dashing his hopes. The Vision didn't give me that impression though.
I feel like you're making a lot of assumptions about the How, the Why, the Where, and the When of the Enemy's works and plans.
 
Forgot that detail. Still, Yemma specifically notes that Beerus and Top Kai working together is the sort of thing that would be required for handling The Enemy, so I'm reasonably certain that's the kind of power we're dealing with.
 
Forgot that detail. Still, Yemma specifically notes that Beerus and Top Kai working together is the sort of thing that would be required for handling The Enemy, so I'm reasonably certain that's the kind of power we're dealing with.
I honestly think you're underestimating the enemy.
If Beerus and the supreme Kai could beat him why are they hiding in heaven.
They also have 3 super sayian gods they could let out to back them up.
 
I said handle, not beat. Piccolo was handling Frieza's third form while Goku charged the Spirit Bomb, that doesn't mean he wasn't getting his face kicked in, just that he wasn't getting his face kicked in hard enough to get killed.

Handle refers to being able to meaningfully slow down the enemy in my book. Tabe could handle Kakara, but his relatively small reserves meant that he couldn't keep up the technique that let him do so for very long.
 
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Because Chiaotzu can't into math. He needed both hands in order to immobilize Krillin with telekinesis in the 22nd WMAT and Krillin got out of it by asking math questions in which Chiaotzu needed the fingers of both hands to count. Crane Hermit cussed from the public saying he should have taught him basic math. Considering he was 14-15 at the time...
 
Why would he answer it? It was literally someone doing his job for him. If anything, he would have applauded.
I mean, if his job is literally only to destroy things, as such, not to destroy things specifically injurious to the order of the cosmos, then you're right, but it undermines your next point...

To be fair, that's only what he says his reasons are. He's a god, he could know things and act on that knowledge, then cover it up with a silly or nonsensical reason just to ensure that his reputation for random destruction continued to spread. People who are panicking at the mention of his name are likely pleasing to him, after all. Please keep in mind that not all characters speak the truth at all times, especially those who are powerful or who have secrets.
...Because he behaved fully consistently with acting in a petty manner, and with being concerned chiefly with things that really don't have much to o with the good of the universe. Like, y'know, food, petty slights, getting to see a super-saiyan god in action, and so on.

It's like, either he can be playing eleventh dimensional chess and cultivating a reputation for fearsomeness while at the same time targeting things that need to be destroyed for the good of the cosmos...

OR he can just be generically in favor of widespread destruction and satiating his own personal whims.

Can't be both.

There's still no reason it would be the Enemy. There's an advantage to going to hell that doesn't exist with the Enemy. I don't believe the qm would add an insta death option even if they didn't warn us about one.
Put this way.

I don't think Poptart would include a vote option that secretly drops us in front of the Enemy to get insta-gibbed.

I DO think Poptart MIGHT include a vote option where, IF WE PLAY OUR CARDS WRONG, we get dropped in front of the Enemy and insta-gibbed. I'm trying to avoid such a scenario even arising.

Does anybody else think the Enemy's actions are strange? If the thing was willing to kill an innocent planet to take out the Saiyans, I find it odd they balked at systematically obliterating each galaxy. Popping in to a system and detonating it's star wouldn't have taken long. I mean, if Broly could kill a galaxy, any idiot with SSB power could do it trivially. He can screw with Sight, so presumably foresight from the gods is out as a means of predicting which specific system he's going for, making Beerus and Whis setting an ambush a non-starter unless they get spectacularly lucky.

What's more, if he was strong enough to kill Goku and Vegeta, presumably working together as SSBs, then him being able to at least keep up with Whis and Beerus to the point of being able to escape to the next system over is completely plausible. Unless he's like Babidi on steroids and his ability to jump between systems is shit compared to his direct combat ability. That would explain why he wouldn't do that, though it wouldn't explain why everybody was so scared of him if running away was a perfectly viable strategy, since he's clearly not on the level where he can erase universes at whim like Zeno'o in this scenario, or else he'd have done it to erase any chance of the Saiyans coming back.

The only explanation I can think of is that The Enemy's got some kind of grudge against specifically the Saiyans, and harboring them is enough to give a planet an execution, but not a whole galaxy or universe. Of course, he could simply be like if Beerus was completely morally bankrupt and went out looking for good fights, only blowing up Earth as 'punishment' for dashing his hopes. The Vision didn't give me that impression though.
Well, it's entirely possible the Enemy does specifically have a grudge against saiyans, or against the lineage of Goku in particular.

But basically: the strongest thing the Enemy is known to have survived is a fight with Super-Saiyan Blue Gohan, and the self-destruction of same. We don't know by what means the Enemy survived that, though from our vision we know he seems to have been largely unharmed by the experience. The Enemy also hacked his way through several SSJ2's and 3's, and a god ki wielding Piccolo, but all of those things are weaker than Gohan was.

Basically, the Enemy may or may not be a threat capable of taking down the gods. It's hard to be sure from my point of view. But he's a big enough threat that he could cause a lot of damage if he felt like it, and the fact that he hasn't eaten the universe or anything over the past 300 years is a strong hint that they'd rather fort up and wait him out than try to go after him actively.
 
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