Dragon Ball: After the End
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- Just passing through.
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Hmmmm, what would happen if we throw killing attacks at Dandeer trusting that he will protect her?
We don't have to worry about our morals because we know that he will stop them and it could give us some seconds to breath.
We don't have to worry about our morals because we know that he will stop them and it could give us some seconds to breath.
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- Actually pretty lost
Ah, my bad.
I think if we have a decisive advantage like that we're probably better off just getting our own allies up and fighting again? I'm super sceptical that we're very likely to break through his control with words - Yammar despises Dandeer already, and if that's not enough to break free on its own I really can't think of what we'd say to make him want to break free more. It's probably a DC of 200 or something equally ridiculous to break free.
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My guess is that's a ideology debuff. Logic aside, Kakara's going to have a problem with going through with that.
EDIT: still, I don't think we're talking our way out of this. Somewhat ironic, given the nature of our character, but we're going to have to scum it out.
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fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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- Tempe, AZ
He isn't thinking about that. We need to get him thinking about that.
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- Actually pretty lost
The vision is probably Carrick trying to fuck with us. We can IT over to Dandeer right now whilst he can't see us. Despite the update's tone, we've found ourselves in a position where we can probably win, because he was foolish enough to put us somewhere he can't see us bring our fingers to our forehead.
I don't think it will work at all, and ITing over to Dandeer has a proven track record.
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We kinda have slacked off. At least by Scion standards.
Actually, more then that, we saw one the results, and more importantly, the roll for them was done on Discord. The results was that Berra got a +10, Vegeta got nothing.
Now, it's possible that Berra just had a +10, but IIRC it was closer to +30. So a -20 debuff?
Inducing a Vision is not a skill we ever heard about in setting, or am I forgetting something?
This said, IT to Dandeer and fleeing with her might be an option.
Sir LagsAlot
Yandere Dice Magnet
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- In the fridge
Yes the dice could simply be rolling in our favor this time around but statistically it is far more likely that their deceit has been debuffed due to the sheer gap in deceit abilities between Kakara and her father or VV. Also from Poptart's statements VV was rolling Ki control not deceit to pull off that stunt.
Kakara has already done things beyond the realms of her personality over the course of this fight so Yammar can't possibly know either way what she'll do to secure victory at this point and abusing that perception is exactly what will secure us victory when using the Dandeer flail.
Meh, thinking about peoples mental health is what got us into this situation so I'm just looking for what has the greatest chance of securing our victory at this point.
The time scale currently doesn't really match up to him sending info to Yammar since if he did get a vision of the hall which we only would have done so after Dandeer was knocked out since he'd no longer be able to send her info he'd only see a bunch of SSJ going at it and no way of telling which side is which so as to send info to them so his hands are kind of tied at the moment unless he goes into the past to view us confronting Dandeer and all of this would have taken him at least a couple seconds each time meaning that he probably hasn't yet had time to start sending info to Yammar.
Oh, ya I forgot about that but meh it just adds a deceit check to picking up the Dandeer flail at this point.
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...actually, that might be a good option. Yammar's on protection duty, so he'd have to follow.
This is really dumb, but what if we tp'd to the misfits? The fight would still be horribly scaled, but the suprise might do it. Plus there's no way they're compromised.
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This.
Kakara is really bad on straight out martial arts by Scion standards.
That would require whatever method used to communicate with Dandeer past the wards can be transferred, and so far we have no evidence he can induce visions, just block them.
Sir LagsAlot
Yandere Dice Magnet
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- In the fridge
I propose we follow the plan proposed earlier by ITing over to Dandeer which should be concealed by the ruble allowing us to IT without Yammar reacting and then use her as a flail well talking with or triggering willpower checks on Yammar to stall for time and switching to defensive fighting if Yammar tries to attack us well we use TK to sneak Senzu beans to our allies.
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HoratioVonBecker
Imperfectly Aligned
It's pretty clear that Carrick has been lying to us for a long time. We don't know much more than that.
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I'm not feeling the talking here. Do keep in mind the bullshit we had to pull to break the general purpose one, nevermind something specifically focused on an individual.
It might very well also be a Vision that was blocked by Carrick in the past breaking through.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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- Dancing on wires!
Probably, I mean when have we ever been able to beat Dandeer's anything without exorbitant amounts of preptime?
Didn't know that.
I'd say he's probably a much better cold reader than we are.
And then when the next guy comes along in how many years we're still so traumatised we can't properly fight him and he rips our throat out.
Probably the smartest option, but we're not smart.
I thought it was established by this point we know jack shit about what either seers or magicians can do?
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- Actually pretty lost
Given that that's probably the crucial roll for the rest of the fight, and how unlikely talking is likely to work versus mind control, that's definitely more important. We can always talk after grabbing Dandeer, if we must.
I don't think so? We've worked really quite hard - with Multiform giving us more training - and are literally Exceptional in quite a few areas of combat, which is as good as most people can get. The only area we're behind in is Style training.
Carrick is apparently the best Seer around bar none, and appears to have sabotaged our Seer education, if that mental block was anything to go by. This vision seems unusually persistent and is occurring seconds after we've KO'd Dandeer so he can't feed her information. I feel confident in saying it's almost certainly him trying to tie us up.
If that's the case, it can wait until after the fight.
To be fair, boosting to great heights through long preptimes is apparently sorcery's thing, going by that one sorcerer we fought a while back.
Yes.
But we also researched Seers in setting, and "inducing a Vision" never came up as a skill.
I do not say it is impossible, but I think it extremely improbable, I also do not think fighting Yammar will succeed.
Taking the chances with the Vision seems to me to have far better chances of success.
Or fleeing while kidnapping Dandeer.
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Test vote, please ignore.
[ ] Take another bean, get back up, and run.
-[ ] Write-in one person to try to evacuate with you.
--[ ] Dandeer
---[ ] Head for the Misfits, use telepathy to tell them to get ready for a nightmare of a fight.
[ ] Take another bean, get back up, and run.
-[ ] Write-in one person to try to evacuate with you.
--[ ] Dandeer
---[ ] Head for the Misfits, use telepathy to tell them to get ready for a nightmare of a fight.
Actually, all visions persist for a bit, and the last time we had one like this was at the summit with assassins.
And if it's vitally important?
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- Actually pretty lost
If it's more important than winning this fight - which I doubt - it will be "relevant" after the fight and we can go looking for a vision then. If it's about the fight, it's unlikely to be better than just ITing to Dandeer from where he can't see us. If it's less important than the fight or a trap, we don't want to take it.
In all circumstances I can think of, taking the vision is the inferior choice.
Sir LagsAlot
Yandere Dice Magnet
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- In the fridge
Well that's why we have the contingency of defensive fighting to stall for time until we can get our allies back up so that if the talking doesn't work we always have something to fall back on. Besides it's not like it costs us anything to try and talk with him to stall for time.
His cold reading skills should have failed him at least once during this fight when we grabbed Dandeers tail and he's at a really big disadvantage on calling our bluff if it is a bluff so the odds are strongly in our favor for this working out.
Well at least we survived this fight besides this is the worst case scenario that has at least three contingencies all of which swing strongly in our favor before it can even happen which is much better odds then trying to fight him without the Dandeer flail which worked against a much more skilled melee combatant already.
Ya I realized the fault in my reasoning and that's why I proposed the updated plan earlier.
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Unless it's somehow prophesying Dandeer's endgame which should not be happening right now because we KO'd her, I'm not sure I care.
And, if, say, the vision is about the only actual path to victory?