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If that were a viable option surely we'd have tried that already?
The mind slaves are acting more intelligent then we thought that they were before. Also if can get force a moment of Cognitive dissonance we should be able to do some other action. Also Yammar is likely to have the weakest mind control of them. Dandeer has had far less chances with him.
 
The mind slaves are acting more intelligent then we thought that they were before. Also if can get force a moment of Cognitive dissonance we should be able to do some other action. Also Yammar is likely to have the weakest mind control of them. Dandeer has had far less chances with him.
As far as we know, she shouldn't have him mind controlled.

Therefore, we can't make any assumptions about relative strength.
 
The best idea I can come up with for winning this is just forcing as many willpower checks as possible as he's just better than us when it comes to fighting and I doubt he has burned enough for us to beat him with the three beans we have left. So talk to him and try to force will power checks(don't know what exactly to say though) and then wham him with the visions of Dandeer's massacre to force a really big one? Other alternative is trying to bean an ally while distracting him with talking but that would be much more difficult.
 
Have some options!
[ ] "Do you know why there are only two Vegetan sorcerers now?"
-[ ] Force him to remember the massacre, and do so repeatedly. Bring attention to his disorientation, and Dandeer's known specialty in mind control. Hope he's sane enough (and has a strong enough will) to break out.
The talky option. Pros: Synergizes well with our skillset. Would be cool to watch if it works. Con: Might not work at all.
[ ] Threaten to kill Dandeer unless he stands down. It's awful, but you have to save as many lives as you can.
The desperate option. Pros: Provides some interesting character development. I'm pretty sure we can beat him (or at least drive him off) if he has to keep Dandeer safe. Can be added to any plan as a contingency. Cons: He might retaliate by taking hostages of his own. If this doesn't work, I doubt we'll get to try anything else. Even if it does work, he might wind up disappearing with Dandeer untraceably, and that's not a win.
[ ] Start charging Spirit Saiyan now. It's your only chance of winning a straight fight.
The other desperate option. Pros: Might work. Relies on factors Kakara should know about; namely how the number of people and amount of ki she can reach from the Hall. (Speaking of which, I need that estimate. @PoptartProdigy?) Cons: Unknown chance of making Kakara go berserk. Might not actually be enough of a boost, depending on how much power she can get and how good Yammar is.
[ ] At this point you need something exceptional. Visions show you things you'd think were relevant, right? Let it in and see what it has to say, as long as you're already out for the moment and nobody is defending themselves.
The 'canned' option. Pro: Might be really useful. A message from Gohan, for example. Con: Might be Carrick messing with us.
 
The mind slaves are acting more intelligent then we thought that they were before. Also if can get force a moment of Cognitive dissonance we should be able to do some other action. Also Yammar is likely to have the weakest mind control of them. Dandeer has had far less chances with him.
He's been spending at least the last few days in her house...assuming she didn't get him years ago back before Vegeta became Lord.

If you want to talk cognitive dissonance then Berra :)turian:Strong will guy:turian:) should have taken at least a second to think my pretty gentle daughter is currently grabbing a person by the tail and flinging them at me something ain't right?

I mean sure, lets try it we've exhausted every other possible alternative at this point, but lets not be surprised when he shoves his hand through Kakara's throat yeah?

The other desperate option. Pros: Might work. Relies on factors Kakara should know about; namely how the number of people and amount of ki she can reach from the Hall. (Speaking of which, I need that estimate. @PoptartProdigy?) Cons: Unknown chance of making Kakara go berserk. Might not actually be enough of a boost, depending on how much power she can get and how good Yammar is.
Pretty sure we need to

A. Stand around like an idiot charging
B. Need people conscious to get power.

Everybody's dead unconcious Dave.
 
Cons: Unknown chance of making Kakara go berserk. Might not actually be enough of a boost, depending on how much power she can get and how good Yammar is.
We can't go berserk from Spirit Saiyan. Poptart confirmed that passing the check once has gotten us permanent benefits.

The bigger concern is we have no-one to stop Yammar kicking our ass while we try.
 
Bonuses to talking in this situation

  • Compelling Presence:
  • Convictions:
  • Decisive:
Hopeful [Foundational Trait]: Above all things, Kakara believes in making tomorrow better than today. All of her struggles are not just about righting past wrongs, but about making things in the future better. Kakara believes this is possible. She holds onto that hope, using it as the core of her drive to change herself and others. Not to control them, but to give them the tools they need to rise in the hope that anyone can be better. Grandpa Gohan didn't have much hope for Jaffur, but he admitted he was wrong. Maybe what the Exiles need now is some hope, a vision to strive for. Gain a flat +20 to Willpower. As time goes on, the probability of Kakara busting out a shounen-vintage anime monologue approaches one. Kakara will naturally tend to work harder and accomplish things faster due to greater motivation.

Knowledgeable Gokun Foreigner:

Others I am on my phone.
 
Bonuses to talking in this situation

  • Compelling Presence:
  • Convictions:
  • Decisive:
Hopeful [Foundational Trait]: Above all things, Kakara believes in making tomorrow better than today. All of her struggles are not just about righting past wrongs, but about making things in the future better. Kakara believes this is possible. She holds onto that hope, using it as the core of her drive to change herself and others. Not to control them, but to give them the tools they need to rise in the hope that anyone can be better. Grandpa Gohan didn't have much hope for Jaffur, but he admitted he was wrong. Maybe what the Exiles need now is some hope, a vision to strive for. Gain a flat +20 to Willpower. As time goes on, the probability of Kakara busting out a shounen-vintage anime monologue approaches one. Kakara will naturally tend to work harder and accomplish things faster due to greater motivation.

Knowledgeable Gokun Foreigner:

Others I am on my phone.
Eh fuck it, if I vote I'll throw my weight in on talky talky.
 
Alternatively we rolled well then and he rolled badly
The chance of that being true is so supremely small as to be nonexistent I mean we succeeded in two deceit rolls against our dad and one deceit roll against VV one of which we know can crush us any day of the week in intrigue and the other due to being a lord is also probably better then us so the odds are stacked far more in favor of their deceit being debuffed in comparison to Kakara rolling 90+ vs like 20s three times in a row.
Yeah, but while we've caused pain we've never caused her chance of death and ripping off her arm could cause her to die pretty much instantly...never mind two. And assuming we don't bring most of her torso with the arms.

We'd certainly discover the upper limit of Senzu Bean's healing abilities right quick.
The idea is more that he wouldn't dare try it since from his point of view we have a pretty good chance of going through with it also getting beamed in the chest is far more lethal then losing an arm so in that sort of situation even if he did go for the grab we could take advantage of his debuffed deceit to bluff and make him let go or just use our superior grip to tear Dandeers arm from his grasp by literally ripping her arm off and then use her as a human shield well feeding her a Senzu bean which we'd have more then enough time to do.
 
I'd like to point out that Yammar blocked all that because the Senzu's weren't mental yelling at him, meaning he could get precog info.
Or, and hear me out, he might be that much better than us. We've been seriously slacking at combat training. We've also never won a legit fair fight, pretty sure. Certainly not with one of the warrior lords/patriarchs/matriarchs/etc.
 
Can anyone makes some guesses on what Yammar's leavers and triggers are?

Guesses
  • Family
  • Duty
  • Hate Dandeer
  • Hard man that makes hard decisions
 
Or, and hear me out, he might be that much better than us. We've been seriously slacking at combat training. We've also never won a legit fair fight, pretty sure. Certainly not with one of the warrior lords/patriarchs/matriarchs/etc.
Por que no los dos?

Seriously, whatever we do let's start yelling next turn to cut off that possibility.
 
Or, and hear me out, he might be that much better than us. We've been seriously slacking at combat training. We've also never won a legit fair fight, pretty sure. Certainly not with one of the warrior lords/patriarchs/matriarchs/etc.
We have really, really not slacked on combat training. The guy's just been training hard for longer than we've been alive.

I'm pretty confident we can IT to Dandeer from here before he knows what we're doing - we're currently buried in rubble, so he can't see us.

Oh, and since nobody's mentioned it yet: if we have beans from the Senzus, he definitely does too. We can't outlast him.
 
Why not combine the trigger as many willpower checks on Yammar as possible plan with the sneak Senzu beans to our allies plan? I mean they're not mutually exclusive and triggering those willpower checks is probably the best way to delay for time there is.

And it still leaves us with the option of falling back on the Dandeer flail anyways.
 
The chance of that being true is so supremely small as to be nonexistent I mean we succeeded in two deceit rolls against our dad and one deceit roll against VV one of which we know can crush us any day of the week in intrigue and the other due to being a lord is also probably better then us so the odds are stacked far more in favor of their deceit being debuffed in comparison to Kakara rolling 90+ vs like 20s three times in a row.

The idea is more that he wouldn't dare try it since from his point of view we have a pretty good chance of going through with it also getting beamed in the chest is far more lethal then losing an arm so in that sort of situation even if he did go for the grab we could take advantage of his debuffed deceit to bluff and make him let go or just use our superior grip to tear Dandeers arm from his grasp by literally ripping her arm off and then use her as a human shield well feeding her a Senzu bean which we'd have more then enough time to do.
Wait whose VV? Either way the dice have been all kinds of **** you at the moment and since nothing else is impacted in the slightest I fail to see why their intrigue should be debuffed.

After all Vegeta had enough intrigue in him to spoof his super sayinness something which is hard to do as I recall. Us simply rolling well on intrigue for once is not outside the realm of possibility.

Yet is completely beyond the realms of our personality. I mean using her as a flail and grabbing her tail was enough to make brained Berra concerned (oh took that did it?) and you think Kakara has the will power to do something as risky as to punch through her and then feed her a bean before her brain just up and say's **** it.

I don't even wanna think about the mental issues we have already, never mind the ones she'd get from that.

How would sensei know to send him precog info though? Because Yammar certainly wouldn't know to contact him and ask him to give him the precog info.
Asking how the precognitive man with near omniscience would know to send info to someone? I mean I don't think Carrick is, but still.

Oh, and since nobody's mentioned it yet: if we have beans from the Senzus, he definitely does too. We can't outlast him.
Oh yeah, I was wondering if he picked them up, but he'd have been given some as well.
 
Wonder what Dandelor's last spell was?
He didn't get one off before Yammar got him.

Why not combine the trigger as many willpower checks on Yammar as possible plan with the sneak Senzu beans to our allies plan? I mean they're not mutually exclusive and triggering those willpower checks is probably the best way to delay for time there is.

And it still leaves us with the option of falling back on the Dandeer flail anyways.
It is mutually exclusive with the plan to IT from within the rubble where he can't see us though.
 
Things to say to Yammar
[]"Why did you beat up your grandson?"
[]"So Dandeer wins thanks to you".
 
Vegeta Vegeta, Lord Vegeta of House Vegeta of Clan Vegeta.
Wait he's actually called Vegeta Vegeta...

Now I know why he went insane.

He didn't get one off before Yammar got him.
It is mutually exclusive with the plan to IT from within the rubble where he can't see us though.

I realised, hence why it is no longer there.

More's the pity.

Of all the characters why did Dandelor not have an emergency **** U ward!:(

Surely IT, grab then talk is an option though?
 
It is mutually exclusive with the plan to IT from within the rubble where he can't see us though.
Actually lets propose a plan here.

[] Nom bean
[] IT to reacquire flail
[] Deploy psychological attack using Dandeer as a shield.

We can't beat him, even with Dandeer, we can't outlast him he probably has more beans.
 
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