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I didn't think he meant "easily enough you won't even roll for it." I figured he was just not showing us all the rolls - he hides rolls very often, I thought? If you have a WOG saying we can take down Vegeta without even rollimg, I'll switch my vote, and we can deal with Jaffur's bruised ego after the fact.
Base Power: 375 Million (At Cap).

Total Transformed SSJ Power: 1.125 Billion.

We have 3 times his power level in this instant. Even if Vegeta was at his best (which he is not) we would still have a +300 advantage on him.

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I didn't think he meant "easily enough you won't even roll for it." I figured he was just not showing us all the rolls - he hides rolls very often, I thought? If you have a WOG saying we can take down Vegeta without even rollimg, I'll switch my vote, and we can deal with Jaffur's bruised ego after the fact.
They.

Also, I'm not sure why his bruised ego should factor into your decision making at all relative to what's at stake here.
 
[X] ...you need to even the numbers. Sorry, Dad. "Dandelor, do it."
-[X] Vegeta is getting back into base form, which puts him back in the fight. Wielding Dandeer against him like you did to Dad should work just as well, and you can't leave him unaddressed.

[X] ...you need to even the numbers. Sorry, Dad. "Dandelor, do it."
-[X] Get to Jaffur and force-feed him one of your beans, afterwards. Do it before Vegeta gets back up, and the world will get the showdown for which it's been waiting so long.
 
If we're carefull, it won't pop off. If it pops anyway, she'll still be at least dazed/in pain for a bit, giving us time to act.
She CAN'T get free by herself, Berra won't be able to help her, We should be Vegeta-free for at least one more turn, and Yammar is still fighting Apra (and even if he get over her, it's still unlikely he'll be able to instantly free her)

EVEN if she got free, it will take at least a few seconds before she can even START casting spells again, and (assuming Jaffur is healed) being 3v2 ssj, we could probably capture her again.

Since when has 'what is reasonably expected' been 'what happens'? We have an opportunity to take an enemy out of the fight. And it's the enemy leader at that. The one who has been a constant thorn in our side, has manipulated the entire race, and was willing to torture herself to get her way. And you're saying 'Nope, she can't make something unexpected happen just because she's in agony.'
I'll trust that she can't do anything at all once she's unconscious, preferably with a broken jaw to be safe-ish. And even then, I'd keep one eye on her at all times.
 
I'm not sure why Kakara's personal preferences and reactions after the fact should be factored in either, but clearly we're making decisions based on such factors.
Even if they aren't factored in, for the reasons described over the end of last page and at beginning of this one, taking out Vegeta first is still the clear winner, so...
Since when has 'what is reasonably expected' been 'what happens'? We have an opportunity to take an enemy out of the fight. And it's the enemy leader at that. The one who has been a constant thorn in our side, has manipulated the entire race, and was willing to torture herself to get her way. And you're saying 'Nope, she can't make something unexpected happen just because she's in agony.'
I'll trust that she can't do anything at all once she's unconscious, preferably with a broken jaw to be safe-ish. And even then, I'd keep one eye on her at all times.
Sorcery allows contingent effects, and Dandeer has used those contingent effects in the past to mind control multiple super saiyans in this fight. Are you willing to bet that she won't have one on her being knocked unconscious?
 
Yup. 'e has a wife, so it throws me off too. (For the record, I'm male. I just prefer to avoid releasing my details to the internet.)

Alright, here's my vote-set.
[X] ...you need to even the numbers. "I'm sorry, Dad." *Dandelor, do it.*
-[X] Get to Jaffur and force-feed him one of your beans, afterwards. Do it before Vegeta gets back up, and the world will get the showdown for which it's been waiting so long.
[X] ...you need to even the numbers. "I'm sorry, Dad." *Dandelor, do it.*
-[X] Yammar is pressuring your grandmother badly right now. If you come in hard and fast, and use Dandeer like you just did against Dad, you can give Grandma an opening to take down Yammar before Vegeta gets back into this.

By the way, I'd prefer to make the apology vote separate from the combat vote. @PoptartProdigy, is that acceptable?
 
I have said that you can.

Given the pointed emphasis on "can," I assume there is an implicit "but not necessarily will." So @PoptartProdigy , to clarify, does this mean:

1) You can, but only if you roll well?

2) You can, but only if you pick something other than the default "go after Vegeta with Dandeer" option?

3) You can, and will with the canned option, but there are other circumstances that could arise in which you wouldn't?

4) You can physically, but no choice made by the players will actually lead to that happening?

or

5) You can, but (something else I haven't thought of)?
 
Given the pointed emphasis on "can," I assume there is an implicit "but not necessarily will." So @PoptartProdigy , to clarify, does this mean:

1) You can, but only if you roll well?

2) You can, but only if you pick something other than the default "go after Vegeta with Dandeer" option?

3) You can, and will with the canned option, but there are other circumstances that could arise in which you wouldn't?

4) You can physically, but no choice made by the players will actually lead to that happening?

or

5) You can, but (something else I haven't thought of)?
Here, let me put on my Poptart hat:

"Yes."
 
Yup. 'e has a wife, so it throws me off too. (For the record, I'm male. I just prefer to avoid releasing my details to the internet.)

Alright, here's my vote-set.
[X] ...you need to even the numbers. "I'm sorry, Dad." *Dandelor, do it.*
-[X] Get to Jaffur and force-feed him one of your beans, afterwards. Do it before Vegeta gets back up, and the world will get the showdown for which it's been waiting so long.
[X] ...you need to even the numbers. "I'm sorry, Dad." *Dandelor, do it.*
-[X] Yammar is pressuring your grandmother badly right now. If you come in hard and fast, and use Dandeer like you just did against Dad, you can give Grandma an opening to take down Yammar before Vegeta gets back into this.

By the way, I'd prefer to make the apology vote separate from the combat vote. @PoptartProdigy, is that acceptable?
How do you mean?
Given the pointed emphasis on "can," I assume there is an implicit "but not necessarily will." So @PoptartProdigy , to clarify, does this mean:

1) You can, but only if you roll well?

2) You can, but only if you pick something other than the default "go after Vegeta with Dandeer" option?

3) You can, and will with the canned option, but there are other circumstances that could arise in which you wouldn't?

4) You can physically, but no choice made by the players will actually lead to that happening?

or

5) You can, but (something else I haven't thought of)?
Well-
Here, let me put on my Poptart hat:

"Yes."
-top marks! ;)

More seriously, "success not (never) guaranteed, much less without cost."
 
[x] ...you need to even the numbers. Sorry, Dad. "Dandelor, do it."
-[x] Get to Jaffur and force-feed him one of your beans, afterwards. Do it before Vegeta gets back up, and the world will get the showdown for which it's been waiting so long.


For all that Jaffur will probably try to kill his father, their fight should take a while. We can then help grandma with Yammar, and maybe get Dandelor (spelling?) to break the spell on him. We can then reinforce Jaffur, and prevent him from going lethal. Assuming some contingency of Dandeer's hasn't triggered by then that we have to deal with.
 
Dandeer has had the seers subverted for who knows how long. The sight plus magic is a hugely powerful combination. Sight to see what is coming and magic to prepare for it.

However the sight should have trouble predicting our actions. We have the power to change the future.
 
[X] ...you need to even the numbers. Sorry, Dad. "Dandelor, do it."
-[X] Vegeta is getting back into base form, which puts him back in the fight. Wielding Dandeer against him like you did to Dad should work just as well, and you can't leave him unaddressed.

[X] ...you need to even the numbers. Sorry, Dad. "Dandelor, do it."
-[X] Get to Jaffur and force-feed him one of your beans, afterwards. Do it before Vegeta gets back up, and the world will get the showdown for which it's been waiting so long.
 
[x] ...you need to even the numbers. Sorry, Dad. "Dandelor, do it."
-[X] Vegeta is getting back into base form, which puts him back in the fight. Wielding Dandeer against him like you did to Dad should work just as well, and you can't leave him unaddressed.
 
@PoptartProdigy , it looks like very few are voting for the remorseful option, and I'm not sure whether that's because of considered decisions on their part, or just because of difficulty of copy-pasting and/or fear of vote-splitting...

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[X] ...you need to even the numbers. "I'm sorry, Dad. Dandelor, do it."
-[X] Vegeta is getting back into base form, which puts him back in the fight. Wielding Dandeer against him like you did to Dad should work just as well, and you can't leave him unaddressed.

[X] ...you need to even the numbers. "I'm sorry, Dad. Dandelor, do it."
-[X] Get to Jaffur and force-feed him one of your beans, afterwards. Do it before Vegeta gets back up, and the world will get the showdown for which it's been waiting so long.

[X] ...you need to even the numbers. "I'm sorry, Dad. Dandelor, do it."
-[X] Immediately knock Dad out - there's no reason for him to be conscious for this.

No more spells, please. I don't care if we end up in a shitty brawl, but letting her happily sit around slinging magic is a bad plan, and she will break free of the tail hold eventually, or it'll pop off. One or the other.

"Geek the mage" typically means making sure they stay out of the fight, afterwords.
Dandeer is in terrible, terrible pain, has been whirled and spun around enough that I would have been unsurprised if she blacked out, and her mind is being assaulted by bellowing telepathic screams. She is, and I quote the QM here, "thoroughly disabled."

I agree with no more spells, but I think we have a grace period before she can cast again.

Kakara doesn't like murder. She doesn't think murder is necessary. Kakara would not be comfortable with taking an action that enabled someone to kill in her stead.

Seriously people this isn't hard, we've had this character trait for years.

That doesn't mean she wouldn't revive Jaffur, but she won't stand by and let him kill his dad.
Yes. But by the time Jaffur recovers and re-enters the fight, his father will be capable of defending himself. Jaffur almost certainly won't win instantly or kill without hesitation as he would have six years ago (back when Dandeer was the nice parent and Lord Vegeta was the source of all his suffering). We'll have time to try and talk Jaffur out of killing his father, assuming he still wants to.

I mean the update where she was wrestling with the subject matter herself, and accidentally threw Jaffur off at just the wrong moment.

I don't hold that Kakara thinks that she should be held responsible for the actions of others. In fact, thinking about it, this is exactly the sort of situation where a trait might evolve to match what the players voted for - so if we buy into your way of thinking, we will might* be stuck with an even more restrictive form of Batman ethics than we already have. No thank you!
I'm a bit concerned along these lines too. I don't want Kakara evolving into the kind of character who's so sure of her Protector role that she systematically puppeteers everyone around her and pushes them into the background for fear that they'll do wrong things themselves.

That road ends with the whole world in a bottle.

e: Let me put it this way: The penalty Dandeer-flail provides her thralls is so significant that Poptart did not bother (publically, at least) rolling. Given this, we will be able to take out the non-super saiyan very quickly.
I should point out that Poptart doesn't publicly roll a LOT of things. :p
 
Even if they aren't factored in, for the reasons described over the end of last page and at beginning of this one, taking out Vegeta first is still the clear winner, so...

Sorcery allows contingent effects, and Dandeer has used those contingent effects in the past to mind control multiple super saiyans in this fight. Are you willing to bet that she won't have one on her being knocked unconscious?

Considering that it could happen in a context in which she is not being overthrown I doubt she would do so. Having such contungency makes it liable for it to be activated under a false alarm.

Now, if it were in case of her DEATH that would be more likely since she wouldn't care what happens afterwards but a contingency for when she is knocked unconscious is too general for it to be a good one.
 
@PoptartProdigy , it looks like very few are voting for the remorseful option, and I'm not sure whether that's because of considered decisions on their part, or just because of difficulty of copy-pasting and/or fear of vote-splitting...
Vote splitting is a major concern on my part, yes.
Considering that it could happen in a context in which she is not being overthrown I doubt she would do so. Having such contungency makes it liable for it to be activated under a false alarm.

Now, if it were in case of her DEATH that would be more likely since she wouldn't care what happens afterwards but a contingency for when she is knocked unconscious is too general for it to be a good one.
I reserve the right to say "I told you so."
 
[X] ...you need to even the numbers. "I'm sorry, Dad. Dandelor, do it."
-[X] Get to Jaffur and force-feed him one of your beans, afterwards. Do it before Vegeta gets back up, and the world will get the showdown for which it's been waiting so long.
 
I don't think that we need to worry about Dandeer casting for the next few seconds in any case. Whatever she was casting before will have been interputed by this.
 
Lord Vegeta is also not melee-specced in all probability, being a Vegetan Lord of Clan Vegeta he is probably trained in Vegeta Style. :p Otherwise known as "IN MERE MOMENTS, ALL YOU'LL BE FEELING IS OBLIVION!" Style. Furthermore, we're the one holding the hostage, so a switcheroo is liable to fail and be a weak point. We'd do better to tell Dandelor to recast on Yammar.
Well, Apra clearly isn't holding her own in melee. Melee is one of our specialties. I sort of think we could manage.
If you can come up with a prompt that would fit that, I might be able to scrounge up some time to write that this weekend.
Valentine's domestic bliss. (It would presumably increase VV's shock debuff. Yes, I'm wearing my Evil Author grin right now.)
Y'know, that's a good point, and I simply hadn't considered it. In retrospect, though, it's the obvious thing for her and the Senzus to have done, so I'll add them to her inventory. You have five, in a pouch at your waist.
Indeed. (Also, the whole paranoia thing - if it's not safe to overconcentrate our leadership until the war is done, it's just good sense to make sure they have Senzu Beans with them.)
Anyway, can you mention that in the author's notes for the next update?
Very few people are voting for the verbal apology, and I think it's because it's a headache to vote for - the options are nearly identical, and it was proposed as a write-in, so we can't easily copypaste your post.
 
Well, Apra clearly isn't holding her own in melee. Melee is one of our specialties. I sort of think we could manage.
She only has to hold out for a bit, and presumably has Senzu beans too. @PoptartProdigy would using Overcharge break the wards, or does it leave your signature the same as it already was? Because if she has Senzu beans to recover with, she really ought to be using Overcharge.

EDIT: To be clear, she really ought to be using Overcharge now that taking Yammar out/holding him off at the cost of exhausting herself is tactically correct. Her not doing so before when the rest of the fight was less in our favour also made sense.
 
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[X] ...you need to even the numbers. Sorry, Dad. "Dandelor, do it."
-[X] Get to Jaffur and force-feed him one of your beans, afterwards. Do it before Vegeta gets back up, and the world will get the showdown for which it's been waiting so long.
 
[X] ...you need to even the numbers. "I'm sorry, Dad. Dandelor, do it."
-[X] Get to Jaffur and force-feed him one of your beans, afterwards. Do it before Vegeta gets back up, and the world will get the showdown for which it's been waiting so long.

Changin' my vote to the apologetic version.
 
[] ...you need to even the numbers. Sorry, Dad. "Dandelor, do it."
-[] Get to Jaffur and force-feed him one of your beans, afterwards. Do it before Vegeta gets back up, and the world will get the showdown for which it's been waiting so long.

[] ...you need to even the numbers. "I'm sorry, Dad. Dandelor, do it."
-[] Vegeta is getting back into base form, which puts him back in the fight. Wielding Dandeer against him like you did to Dad should work just as well, and you can't leave him unaddressed.

Damn, I forgot to write in my
[ ]Ask Dandelor if the agony is permanent
option. Too late?

Edit: Post changed for write in.
 
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[x] ...you need to even the numbers. Sorry, Dad. "Dandelor, do it."
-[x] Get to Jaffur and force-feed him one of your beans, afterwards. Do it before Vegeta gets back up, and the world will get the showdown for which it's been waiting so long.

Kinda think Jaffur is a bad person to be fighting Vegeta, right after he just got ganked because he wanted to kill Dandeer but remembered he shouldn't, but this should do. Also, let's not violate OPSEC before Dandeer is down.

If Dandeer doesn't have a deadmans switch we are teasing death here.

Also,

Lady Kakara: "As my first Official Decree as Lady Goku, I am setting forth a requirement that all future Scions must train their tail before taking their future Title. Doing so will steel your soul against pain like nothing else, and it at least puts a glass covering over the Instant Defeat Button all Saiyans are equipped with."
 
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