I'm pretty sure Chaozu's powers were also referred to as psychic powers, but (at least in this quest and in my opinion also in canon) they were just ki abilities.
Dragon Ball: After the End
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- Rockford, USA
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- They/Them
Guldo's weird sh*t was all psychic stuff. Ginyu's body swap, however, persisted between bodies, so that'll be a ki technique. That one is a mystery, though.
Chiaotzu was also psychic in this quest canon.
Also:
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Wait, so Chaozu's powers were something else than just telekinesis?
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- Rockford, USA
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- They/Them
My reasoning was that other people used ki for telekinesis all the time, but Chiaotzu was somehow treated as special. So...psychic. Not that it matters.
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- Australia
I wouldn't say Ki Sense was a penalised technique for space fighters. Scouters were used in combat back then to track opponents, read their power level, and find out when they were firing large blasts by sudden increases in their effective power level. The difference is that while modern fighters simply develop a technique to do all that, back then they used scouters. Ki detection was an important part of battle, it's just one they needed mechanical assistance with.
The canonical reason is that Guldo, Ginyu, and the rest of the Ginyu Force were mutants of their species who possessed special abilities and a higher level of power compared to regular members of their races. From what I remember, Jeice used his mutation (whatever it was, I can't remember) to win at baseball, Ginyu used his power to get the body we see him with in DBZ, and Burter got his speed because his mother demanded that he be quick about it when he did the groceries.
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- Australia
It's Dragon Ball, try not to think too hard about it.
KnightDisciple
Love God. Do Right. Fear No Man.
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Yeah, we should just go to Spacey's and get a Space-Dog instead.
That's kinda like saying that flight isn't a penalized technique for the Turtle School because Goku (back when he couldn't fly and hadn't developed his own style yet) flew around on the Nimbus or because Roshi could jump on a plane if he wanted to. The Ki Sense skill is how good you are at sensing ki unaided, not how good you are at using a scouter.
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No it isn't. Those two could fly using aids, but the reason why Flight is a penalised technique in Roshi Style is that even though they could fly, they didn't fly as a matter of course when fighting. If Roshi Style did rely on flying as a normal part of a fight, then Flight would be an involved technique because it doesn't matter whether you fly using ki or a jetpack or something else.
..I think we should probably drop this argument, as Poptartprodigy's the only one who knows who's right and what precisely the skills stand for/help with.
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- Somewhere I shouldn't be
Your reference, I got it.
And a Spacey's Space-Dog! With extra space-cheese!
It may just be Early Installment Weirdness, but I seem to recall that you had said we visited him every time we slept.
Easy enough for that to have changed, now that we have started (trying) to control our Seerism.
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Early-installment weirdness has no place in Dragonballverse.
Sorry, can't hear you- too busy methodically cataloging power levels.
..Also, screw it, I'll try to see if I can make a Jeice style. We might not have much canon information about him, but he did seem like a more balanced fighter than Burter or Recoome, so I'll just try to draw on that.
Jeice Style:
A balanced style capable of fighting at both melee and at range, the Jeice style excels at fighting with others and places significant focus at using flight to maneuver into advantageous positions and perfoming combination attacks with allies (preferably combinations involving the style's signature techniques Crusher Ball or Jeice-Burter Hurricane, though the style also possesses excellent aim with basic ki blasts and often uses them to distract opponents and open them up for allies). Similarly to its creator, the style has no significant disadvantages save for the lack of Ki Sensing and Control common to to PTO styles, though it does suffer slightly from a lack of in-style heavy ranged blasts. Involved Techniques: Hand-To-Hand Combat (Team Fighting), Flight, Crusher Ball, Ki Projection (Basic attacks, to the extreme, does not apply when spamming ki blasts), Jeice-Burter Hurricane. Penalized Techniques: Ki Sense, Ki Control.
(I'm probably kinda grasping at straws with the bonus to single basic ki blasts, but a Goku over twice as powerful as Jeice only barely dodged one of Jeice's ki blasts, so the idea that Jeice is good at aiming basic ki blasts is not completely unsupported by canon, but, well, its not stated anywhere either).
Jeice Style:
A balanced style capable of fighting at both melee and at range, the Jeice style excels at fighting with others and places significant focus at using flight to maneuver into advantageous positions and perfoming combination attacks with allies (preferably combinations involving the style's signature techniques Crusher Ball or Jeice-Burter Hurricane, though the style also possesses excellent aim with basic ki blasts and often uses them to distract opponents and open them up for allies). Similarly to its creator, the style has no significant disadvantages save for the lack of Ki Sensing and Control common to to PTO styles, though it does suffer slightly from a lack of in-style heavy ranged blasts. Involved Techniques: Hand-To-Hand Combat (Team Fighting), Flight, Crusher Ball, Ki Projection (Basic attacks, to the extreme, does not apply when spamming ki blasts), Jeice-Burter Hurricane. Penalized Techniques: Ki Sense, Ki Control.
(I'm probably kinda grasping at straws with the bonus to single basic ki blasts, but a Goku over twice as powerful as Jeice only barely dodged one of Jeice's ki blasts, so the idea that Jeice is good at aiming basic ki blasts is not completely unsupported by canon, but, well, its not stated anywhere either).
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Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
Point of order, when Goku told Ginyu this was a thing that could happen, Ginyu reacted with complete surprise. When I get home I can even give a panel page chapter citation.
I searched for this, and the closest thing to this I found is in chapter 285 when Goku, after using Kaio-ken to increase his power level to 180'000 shocked Ginyu by telling him that his power was even higher when he used it in burst, though personally I think he was referring to higher levels of Kaio-ken rather than charged attacks (Vegeta's Gallick Gun was definitely had higher power level than Vegeta himself had normally, and I'd bet on the same being the case for Recoome's Eraser Gun or even Ginyu's big blast), and I can't fault Ginyu for being surprised by the Kaio-ken.
Bakkasama
There is always a greater fool
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To be fair, he had guessed that Goku's power was higher than his scouter indicated and guessed it was about 85-90K. Which, considering Goku hit 180 with Kaioken was fairly accurate. He also said that he could raise his own power level up to 120K (the PL attributed to him) but that he usually went with a lower one. I can't remember if he gave a valuebut I think it was about 100K?
Anyways, my point is that Ginyu was genuinely more experienced than his mates.
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
Vegeta had also managed to sense power levels by that point in the fight, judging by some of the "I know you're there" dialogue with Goku, so I would not put it past him to have figured out the trick of it once he was exposed to it by Krillian's attack on the Saibaimen. Just like how he used Kienzan against Gohan's Oozaru.
Edit: And by my reading of that scene has goku making a clear distinction between what he was doing (Kaio-Ken) and using his power in bursts. So it makes more sense to me to assume he's talking about charged Ki Blasts.
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- Australia
I think he was talking about using higher grades of kaio-ken in shorter bursts than the one he demonstrated to Ginyu. When King Kai is commentating on his fight with Frieza, we see how Goku gets up to x10 kaio-ken in very short bursts to just barely dodge attacks. Gero is surprised at Piccolo's strength and Piccolo explains that it's because they figured out how to multiply their power levels significantly in small bursts, and it's worth noting that he and the other Z Fighters who died against the Saiyans trained with King Kai.
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
Quest
The Great One
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- Everywhere
Kaio-ken was never a technique designed to be used continuously. Due to damage it causes to the body, King Kai had intended to use it in timed bursts such as right before an attack to take advantage of the boost without the downsides.
It's just that Goku was such a genius/idiot that he mastered using it continuously. If you look at the fight where Goku faces the Ginyu squad when he first reached Namek, they express surprise that Goku can beat them despite his lower power level.
What was actually happening was that Goku was constantly activating Kaio-ken during the fight but it the time it was used of was so small that the scouter couldn't detect it. IIRC it was Ginyu who pointed this out thanks to his ki sense.
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He'd been using kaioken x10 in small bursts throughout the entire fight, it wasn't continuously active. During the commentary, while King Kai is giving the explanation, we see how when Goku uses the technique he gains the usual red aura and loses it the moment he's out of danger.
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