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Dragon Ball: After the End
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- Australia
@PoptartProdigy
Kaioken doesn't just boost things like strength and speed, it also boosts senses like sight and hearing. Does this also apply to ki sense?
Does Super Saiyan provide boosts to regular senses and ki sense?
When Vegeta was first doing the Final Flash, we see his body going weird, becoming bulkier and lither repeatedly. We know that Vegeta knew about USS and simply chose not to use it, but is it possible he was imbuing the power of Ultra Super Saiyan into the Final Flash while he was charging it without going USS himself? That could explain the effects on his body and why Cell was so surprised at the power of the attack.
Kaioken doesn't just boost things like strength and speed, it also boosts senses like sight and hearing. Does this also apply to ki sense?
Does Super Saiyan provide boosts to regular senses and ki sense?
When Vegeta was first doing the Final Flash, we see his body going weird, becoming bulkier and lither repeatedly. We know that Vegeta knew about USS and simply chose not to use it, but is it possible he was imbuing the power of Ultra Super Saiyan into the Final Flash while he was charging it without going USS himself? That could explain the effects on his body and why Cell was so surprised at the power of the attack.
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- Rockford, USA
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- They/Them
Power ups improve ki sense in that you can do active "pings," much like sonar, whenever you please and at greater strength, thereby granting better fidelity and range. Not inconspicuous, though...
I thought that as well. Little flashes of it without transforming all the way.
Well. I know what I'm doing tonight.
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
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The Great One
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- Everywhere
Does Kaio-ken also improve one's mental abilities ala reaction time, information processing (to handle the advance senses), etc?
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It has to, or else you can't see what's going on.
Quest
The Great One
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- Everywhere
How long does it take to use Instant Transmission? Can we use the short time that Kaioken is active, to increase our ki sense and enhance the use of instant transmission in battle? How useful would that be?
And if we learn Kaio ken as a means to enhance our already high Ki-sense and combine it with IT use, what effects would Pacifist have on it?
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Actually, no. You visit there from the "dark spaces between dreams," but I never said you go there every night.
How long does it take to use Instant Transmission? Can we use the short time that Kaioken is active, to increase our ki sense and enhance the use of instant transmission in battle? How useful would that be?
And if we learn Kaio ken as a means to enhance our already high Ki-sense and combine it with IT use, what effects would Pacifist have on it?
Technically, nanoseconds. But that's not helpful, really. It takes you a subjective second to use it, no matter what level you're at (the limiting factor on speed is making the calculations involved, and you have that down to a second). Granted, at that power level you experience a handful of nanoseconds as a second, so. Therefore, kaio-ken would improve that further. However, Kaio-Ken is a very dangerous technique, and even more so as a Super Saiyan.
So long as you're just teleporting around, Pacifist has nothing to say about it.
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It amps up your power level, which could be useful outside of combat, but to a limited extent and at too high a cost to be remotely practical under normal circumstances. It's clearly a combat technique, and suffers in its progression as normal.
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- Australia
So having a higher power level is better for active ki sense but not the usual passive ki sense. Ok, that makes sense.
In Avatar, a firebender can create lightning by separating the positive and negative energies within himself and guiding the resulting energy out of the body when they crash back together. Could we do something similar by separating the good and evil parts of our soul (physically ejecting evil from the body and morality-tinted ki are both canon things), letting them crash back together, and using the energy produced to boost our attacks? Do we need high Ki Sense/Ki Control to do so?
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...OOH! OOH SHINY IDEAS!
Maybe! Let me go think about that. I'm not sure yet.
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- Ontario
@PoptartProdigy
Has anyone used the Kaio-Ken and the Oozaru form at the same time? And if they have is it easier or harder to use Kaio-Ken in non-Oozaru form. Just wondering because the Oozaru body looks like it can handle the strain of the Kaio-Ken better than base form can. Thought I could totally be wrong.
Has anyone used the Kaio-Ken and the Oozaru form at the same time? And if they have is it easier or harder to use Kaio-Ken in non-Oozaru form. Just wondering because the Oozaru body looks like it can handle the strain of the Kaio-Ken better than base form can. Thought I could totally be wrong.
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What are you on about? we should totally separate our good and evil parts! That can't end at all badly!
Oh, here's a question for you, Poptart, how fast could we go from SS to USS? Could we train it so we could switch night-instantly?
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Cell did it nigh-instantly when he was showing off his own equivalent to Trunks.
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
Old Folks Bickering
"This is a fine mess you've gotten us into this time Turtle." Said a very old man with a silly hat, chained up in a prison cell.
"It wasn't my fault Crane, it was Baba's." Retorted an equally old man, whose head only didn't shine because of the poor lighting, also chained up.
"Well I'm sorry for not being a muscleheaded idiot like you two." Replied a decrepit old woman, who shared in her companions predicament.
"Shut up the lot of ye!" Interjected the guard watching the cell, running his batton across the bars to accentuate his point.
[Why haven't the two of us taken out these goons and busted out of here Turtle?], Crane asked in a rather more esoteric manner.
[We're on a space ship you idiot.] Replied the Crone.
[We know how to fly these things Baba, I haven't spent all of the last three hundred years practicing martial arts.]
[She's right though, we can both sense how powerful the boss of these goons are, and we wouldn't be able to stop him from scuttling the ship when we win.] Countered Turtle.
Crane sighed, [Why do I put up with you two? Hell, why didn't I just leave you two when Baba got captured?]
Turtle looked him straight in the eye, [Because ever since you took Baba up on the Namek Training Trip the three of us have been the only humans left alive, and you're our friend on top of that.]
[...Yeah.] A pause, "Where are we going anyway?"
"Hrumph," grunted the guard, "You lot done pissed off the Rexians somethin' fierce. We're collecting your bounty."
"That was almost a hundred years ago!" Protested the old woman.
"Yeah, well they don't die unless killed so you lot done goofed when you crossed them. They got long memories."
[That's good news, the Rexians don't have anyone on our level last I checked. Once we get you away Baba we should be scott free.] Crane opined.
[I'll need new tools.]
[This is why you should learn some martial arts sister of mine, so you won't be so useless in a fight.]
[The two of you would be dead if I hadn't gotten us off Earth when the end came. So you can shove it Turtle.]
[Baba], said Crane, [You need to get new material.]
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Because it strikes me as Horrifically OOC for Roshi not to have been at the fight with the Enemy if he was alive for it, not after he was there for the PTO. I also put Crane and Baba in because there is clearly a story there from how all three seem to have been alive for Piccolo when humans don't live that long. All three of them had to have drunken the immortality elixer, which means they probably found it together.
So I figured that since Baba could see the future and know that earth's defenders would finally fail, she'd try to save her old adventuring buddies if no one else. Hence, Omake.
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- Australia
I don't see how. It's not like we're ejecting either of the two parts of us. They'll still be inside us and influencing us the same way they also have, the balance of power will remain unchanged.
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- Rockford, USA
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Can be done, and Oozaru actually takes greater amounts of strain much more easily. x20 gradations of the Kaio-Ken are nothing to an experienced user. Those who know both are watched carefully by the Lords.
You may absolutely train it that far if you wish.
I had actually come up with the thought that Roshi was trying (and failing) to evacuate some people to the spaceships when the blast went off, and Baba was trying to divine the course of the fight to figure out the best course of action. Prescient, yes, but not omniscient. Gohan nearly won the fight at one point, so the result was unclear. As for Crane...he was kind of a dick. I had thought to simply discard him.
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- Australia
Kaioken sounds completely overpowered in this game. At x20 Kaioken, a Great Ape who's reached the cap can reach a power level of 2.8 billion. Defeating a Super Saiyan 2 would be child's play at that stage.
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Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
Ah well. I guess I can't help but get things wrong when I'm speculating about things that touch on THE ENEMY, what with all the secrecy.
No? Non Super Saiyans have an Oozaru Cap of 30mil. Which is only 600 mil with x20.
No? Non Super Saiyans have an Oozaru Cap of 30mil. Which is only 600 mil with x20.
A Great Ape who had the limit boosted by becoming a Super Saiyan, yes. Normal Great Ape caps at 30 mil, so Kaioken would 'only' bring that up to 600 Million.
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Also, I now want to level up Golden Ape and Kaioken, and see if the way an Ape makes the technique easier is enough to make Golden Ape Kaioken valid.
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The Fourth Monado
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Meanwhile, certain things that happened in DBS are developed and explained for awesomeness.