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Dragon Ball: After the End

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PoptartProdigy said:
Not slow, no, but still only half its nominal power level. I'm trying to balance things, and making it slower while not being useless is a part of that. Going GGA with Kaio-Ken shouldn't be an "I win" button -- as a general rule, nothing should, or we're playing a boring quest.
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That could actually serve as a way to reward players for their foresight and besides in a universe like this there is always a bigger fish. This is Dragon Ball, the BBEG (Main ones anyway, elite minions are just filler fodder) will always massively outgun the good guys until they find a way to even the odds or a powerup happens. They will need to pull out all the stops at some point so it shouldn't be an I win button anyway (For most crises anyway, lesser threats we attract would just be stomped but serve as a benchmark to the rest of the universe) because as the quest master/author you'll just scale the main bad guys to whatever power level we have anyway. Akira Toriyama always did that so it's no surprise when we get a new BBEG that's somehow always stronger than the heights our heroes have reached.
 
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@Aranfan, I think your plan to master all the styles before developing Pacifist Style is completely unfeasible and overambitious in the extreme.

First, there's the amount of time taken to master just a single style. PoptartProdigy said that it takes "far more" than 2 years to master a style, but let's be generous and say that he just meant 3 years. Of the traditional styles alone, there are 9 of them. It'll take 27 years to master all the styles before we'd produce our own, and that's assuming it would take a mere 3 years and we don't get stalled when we have to study some of the more lethal techniques. Cookies won't cover it, not by a long shot.

Instead, let's go for the far more realistic goal of reaching Practitioner of all the styles. It'll give us a good grounding in all the styles and provide an extraordinarily excellent base for producing a brand new style. Dad only got Roshi Style up to Practitioner and that seemed to have help him reach Goku Style mastery by a good amount. We can also drop studying the more lethal moves of the styles since it won't be relevant to our own and it'll speed up the rate at which we learn the styles.
 
Andres110 said:
First, there's the amount of time taken to master just a single style. PoptartProdigy said that it takes "far more" than 2 years to master a style, but let's be generous and say that he just meant 3 years. Of the traditional styles alone, there are 9 of them. It'll take 27 years to master all the styles before we'd produce our own, and that's assuming it would take a mere 3 years and we don't get stalled when we have to study some of the more lethal techniques. Cookies won't cover it, not by a long shot.
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Remember, though, we can train in more than one style each year. I don't want to train all styles to mastery, but I do want to combine Tenshinhan style with either Goku Style, Yamcha Style or preferably both, and I think that's definitely feasible.
 
Bommelom said:
Remember, though, we can train in more than one style each year. I don't want to train all styles to mastery, but I do want to combine Tenshinhan style with either Goku Style, Yamcha Style or preferably both, and I think that's definitely feasible.
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It only takes getting them up to Practitioner to combine them according to the GM. Personally, I'd prefer getting Tien Style and Goku Style together over Tien and Yamcha. It'll be much easier to learn since we already have most of the techniques and we have excellent teachers of it in the form of our parents. Yamcha Style is also a lot less friendly to ki-related stuff and our ability to use ki is our greatest strength.
 
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Andres110 said:
It only takes getting them up to Practitioner to combine them according to the GM. Personally, I'd prefer getting Tien Style and Goku Style together over Tien and Yamcha. It'll be much easier to learn since we already have most of the techniques and we have excellent teachers of it in the form of our parents. Yamcha Style is also a lot less friendly to ki-related stuff and our ability to use ki is our greatest strength.
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Yamcha Style isn't worse at using Ki than Goku style, and it doesn't involve a technique that we're unable to learn. Besides, I also thought we didn't want to learn Goku style because it'd easily be countered by Berra?
 
Bommelom said:
Yamcha Style isn't worse at using Ki than Goku style, and it doesn't involve a technique that we're unable to learn.
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Ohoho, it most certainly is. Goku Style only penalises non-Signature ki techniques (Kamehameha, Galick Gun, Solar Flare, etc.) while Yamcha Style penalises all ki techniques that aren't involved techniques, of which there are exactly three (or two if you don't count Wolf Fang Fist). It also penalises Ki Sense which is our best ki skill and which the Goku Style doesn't penalise.
 
Andres110 said:
Ohoho, it most certainly is. Goku Style only penalises non-Signature ki techniques (Kamehameha, Galick Gun, Solar Flare, etc.) while Yamcha Style penalises all ki techniques that aren't involved techniques, of which there are exactly three (or two if you don't count Wolf Fang Fist). It also penalises Ki Sense which is our best ki skill and which the Goku Style doesn't penalise.
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I'll give you the part about Ki Sense, though Goku Style penalizes Team Fighting and both weaknesses can likely be reduced by learning other styles, but to me, a penalty to Ki Projection (All Save Signature Techniques and a penalty to Ki Projection (all save involved techniqes) sound like the the exact same thing. As in, both have penalties to all Ki Projection techniques save their style's signature techniques and possibly the signature styles of other known styles.
Quest said:
Which technique are we unable to learn? Spirit Bomb? Kaio-Ken? If it's the latter, then IMO we should try and learn it anyway despite the Pacifist malus, as the technique is simply too useful to ignore.:cool:
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We literally can't learn the spirit bomb as no one alive knows how to use it. I mean, we could try to figure it out, but that took King Kai ages. As for Kaio-ken, it's pretty much a double kill/suicide technique when used in SSJ, so I don't think it's going to be that useful.
 
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Bommelom said:
a penalty to Ki Projection (All Save Signature Techniques and a penalty to Ki Projection (all save involved techniqes) sound like the the exact same thing. As in, both have penalties to all Ki Projection techniques save their style's signature techniques and possibly the signature styles of other known styles.
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They aren't the same thing.

Goku Style. It penalises non-Signature techniques, not non-involved techniques. That means the signature techniques of other styles are NOT penalised. The only things that are penalised are the basic attacks, like generic energy waves and blasts.
Yamcha Style. It penalises ALL techniques, save for the ones that are explicitly noted to be involved in the style. This thus penalises the signature techniques of other styles as well as basic attacks.
 
Andres110 said:
Goku Style. It penalises non-Signature techniques, not non-involved techniques. That means the signature techniques of other styles are NOT penalised. The only things that are penalised are the basic attacks, like generic energy waves and blasts.
Yamcha Style. It penalises ALL techniques, save for the ones that are explicitly noted to be involved in the style. This thus penalises the signature techniques of other styles as well as basic attacks.
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I don't think either of us actually knows whether or not they're the same thing worded differently or different penalties, so we should probably ask after the update.
 
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If we got classic style Dragon Balls that just worked, what would we wish for? Lost knowledge? A way to reform Saiyan society? Or maybe just straight up wish for immortality? If we phrase it right, we can even make it so we still benefit from Zenkai.
 
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Andres110 said:
Did the androids contribute in the charging of the Spirit Bomb during the Buu Saga? I can't remember.
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Just as a future note, if I see a yes or no question, "like" means yes, "hugs" means no. To save time. Ki sense works as something for styles designed by people who didn't have access to ki sense; for one thing, scouters can be something of a stand-in, although they lose out on quite a lot of benefits if that's what they rely on. But more than that, these are combat styles as interpreted by people centuries later. I can easily see somebody looking at Bardock's crew, always tapping away at scouters to see where they should hit first, and concluding that just sensing their way would be more efficient. And it only takes one person going master-rank to modify a style, so it's happened.

As for Goku and Yamcha styles: my language was unclear, they both penalize all ki projection save their specific styles' involved techniques.
 
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Bommelom said:
Remember, though, we can train in more than one style each year. I don't want to train all styles to mastery, but I do want to combine Tenshinhan style with either Goku Style, Yamcha Style or preferably both, and I think that's definitely feasible.
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Why not Demon style? Its defining feature is controlling the battlefield through ki use, and the techniques involved would help us create our own.
PoptartProdigy said:
As for Goku and Yamcha styles: my language was unclear, they both penalize all ki projection save their specific styles' involved techniques.
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See? It fills a niche we need before we start creating that pacifist style.
 
Andres110 said:
One of Tien Style's involved techniques is Multiform. Mastering Tien Style will let us do Multiform as if it were two ranks higher which means we get more actions in a year.
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To clarify: Styles involve using the whole of the style, and reward using the multiple techniques of the style in concert with bonuses of a magnitude that can cancel out roughly two skill ranks of difference. It also makes it easier to learn involved skills. It doesn't simply amp up all involved stills.
 
PoptartProdigy said:
To clarify: Styles involve using the whole of the style, and reward using the multiple techniques of the style in concert with bonuses of a magnitude that can cancel out roughly two skill ranks of difference. It also makes it easier to learn involved skills. It doesn't simply amp up all involved stills.
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In other words, if we were fighting a Multi Form, Solar Flare, Kihoho duel with someone with no Tien Style training as master of such ourselves, they could be two ranks above in the skills and only equaling us?
 
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Am I right in thinking that the Style which is best at punching above it's weight class is Krillin Style? He did, after all, manage to stay relevant in fights against people multiple orders of magnitude more powerful than him.
 
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